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Title: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: ldub23 on March 06, 2017, 05:39:08 PM
http://energycommerce.house.gov/sites/republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/files/documents/AmericanHealthCareAct.pdf

The one thing  i have heard that  is absolutely baffling is that you can still get the tax credit for  healthcare but you  have to pay for it  up front and then get re-imbursed later which effectively means the poor cant get healthcare because they cant  pay up front. Single  payer would be better than what the reps are putting  out. Sounds like a rich persons bill. People who have enough money to pay for healthcare in the first  place will get reimbursed but the  poor cant  pay up front so they go without.



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Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Cryptic Bert on March 06, 2017, 05:47:31 PM
I haven't read it yet so I'm not going to comment on it.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: ldub23 on March 06, 2017, 05:55:38 PM
Quite frankly, from what  i am hearing is this will end up a bigger monstrosity than Obamacare.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: CasND on March 06, 2017, 06:10:52 PM
Isn't a tax credit the same as a subsidy?
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: ldub23 on March 06, 2017, 06:32:48 PM
Quote from: CasND on March 06, 2017, 06:10:52 PM
Isn't a tax credit the same as a subsidy?

Yes, but in the republican plan the poor have to pay up front and get reimbursed later which means the poor wont get healthcare because they cant  pay up front. It sounds to me this is  just a "lets rescue the  insurance companies" bill.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: mrconservative on March 06, 2017, 06:54:37 PM
Here is the cluster of bill that Paul Ryan and the rest of the GOPe is trying to slip past us.

You can read all 123 pages...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4f82iy7d92u0c3a/AmericanHealthCareAct.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/4f82iy7d92u0c3a/AmericanHealthCareAct.pdf?dl=0)
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: mrconservative on March 06, 2017, 06:56:45 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on March 06, 2017, 05:55:38 PM
Quite frankly, from what  i am hearing is this will end up a bigger monstrosity than Obamacare.

Hows this little doozy...

Under this bill, anyone who goes without health coverage for 2 months or more will face a 30% surcharge on premiums for an entire year.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Cryptic Bert on March 06, 2017, 07:13:49 PM
Not liking it.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Solar on March 06, 2017, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: mrconservative on March 06, 2017, 06:56:45 PM
Hows this little doozy...

Under this bill, anyone who goes without health coverage for 2 months or more will face a 30% surcharge on premiums for an entire year.
Oh My God! It's commiecare 2.0!!! :lol:
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: taxed on March 06, 2017, 07:41:06 PM
First, thank you to Rand Paul for shaming them to release this.

It's 123 pages, so I'll try to knock out a 20 or so pages per day.....
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Cryptic Bert on March 06, 2017, 07:53:37 PM
God bless the amendment process because this thing is weaker than light beer.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: ldub23 on March 07, 2017, 03:15:00 AM
Quote from: mrconservative on March 06, 2017, 06:56:45 PM
Hows this little doozy...

Under this bill, anyone who goes without health coverage for 2 months or more will face a 30% surcharge on premiums for an entire year.

Sounds like a  punish the  poor  bill. Reps totally  tone deaf. Healthcare is so F'ed up now more and more will be wanting single  payer.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: quiller on March 07, 2017, 03:30:38 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 06, 2017, 05:47:31 PM
I haven't read it yet so I'm not going to comment on it.

Full text (via Fox News)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2017/03/06/text-american-health-care-act/
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Bronx on March 07, 2017, 04:37:19 AM
Oh great Obamacare replaced by Rinocare. Tom Price what the hell happened...?
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: supsalemgr on March 07, 2017, 04:42:35 AM
Obama and the democrats knew exactly what they were doing when they built this Tar baby called Obamacare. Getting out of it is going to be ugly. Some people are going to be harmed personally, but I say most of them vote democrat. The subsidies are nothing more than a welfare program with the insurance companies ending up with money. I just wrote my congressman, Mark Meadows, opposing tax credits. That is nothing more than relabeling subsidies. Fortunately as head of the Freedom Caucus he is opposed to the tax credits. If the republicans are smart they will tout the fact that mandates are eliminated and people now have choices.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: topside on March 07, 2017, 05:34:47 AM
Definitely a RINO bill. Stop it Pubs - just stop it. I can't see that it's any better than ACA except for the page count - much shorter so at least we might figure out what it says.

Let the free market take this! Repeal ACA and those with health care will transition to a new steady state. All will probably go back to where it was - with the poor having no care and hospitals eating the costs for the poor's care. Then the Pubs should incentivize states to work their health care locally.

But a repeal without a replace is very unpopular. And the Pubs would have to eat crow to say they made a bad bill that they need to scrap. Trump could do it - but would make his guys look bad. I'm afraid the politics will keep this one alive. They will modify it to try and clean it up - but it will look like they are putting lipstick on a pig. The health care issue is obviously important. But tweaking this bill will be such a waste of time. 

Let's face the natural facts. Young folk have few health problems and should pay next to nothing. Old folks (like me) are going to die and if they want to cling to life with million-dollar treatments, then they have to pay for it - all of it. That leaves those where something strange happens - for example, a child get's cancer and the treatments over time are $5M. I'm on the fence on how you deal with that. But if we treat the main groups as they naturally should be treated, then the outliers (as in the example) won't be that hard to work (locally).

I semi-retired three years ago - work part-time remotely. When I came off of my former employer's COBRA, my insurance costs were going from $500 / month (wife and me) to $1400 per month under ACA. I was going to have to go back to work if I wanted the ACA insurance. There was a health-sharing form of health care from Medi-Share. It's basically a way to get care that's managed by a Christian organization that covers disasters but not pre-existing conditions until after the condition has shown it's not going to show up early (3 year and 5 year limits until coverage). I  have a pre-existing condition - aneurysm that eventually needs to get fixed unless it blows so there is that risk. The wife was not happy about it, but I wasn't going to go back to work just to pay an insurance company - would rather have a few good years enjoying life with her and then say goodbye if it comes to that. The point is, insurance is so expensive because we're trying to prop up life for a cost that is unsupportable. This will continue to be a shell game where someone loses - usually the guy at the bottom of the pile - the taxpayer.





Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: walkstall on March 07, 2017, 08:18:04 AM
Quote from: topside on March 07, 2017, 05:34:47 AM
Definitely a RINO bill. Stop it Pubs - just stop it. I can't see that it's any better than ACA except for the page count - much shorter so at least we might figure out what it says.

Let the free market take this! Repeal ACA and those with health care will transition to a new steady state. All will probably go back to where it was - Then the Pubs should incentivize states to work their health care locally. with the poor having no care and hospitals eating the costs for the poor's care.

But a repeal without a replace is very unpopular. And the Pubs would have to eat crow to say they made a bad bill that they need to scrap. Trump could do it - but would make his guys look bad. I'm afraid the politics will keep this one alive. They will modify it to try and clean it up - but it will look like they are putting lipstick on a pig. The health care issue is obviously important. But tweaking this bill will be such a waste of time. 

Let's face the natural facts. Young folk have few health problems and should pay next to nothing. Old folks (like me) are going to die and if they want to cling to life with million-dollar treatments, then they have to pay for it - all of it. That leaves those where something strange happens - for example, a child get's cancer and the treatments over time are $5M. I'm on the fence on how you deal with that. But if we treat the main groups as they naturally should be treated, then the outliers (as in the example) won't be that hard to work (locally).

I semi-retired three years ago - work part-time remotely. When I came off of my former employer's COBRA, my insurance costs were going from $500 / month (wife and me) to $1400 per month under ACA. I was going to have to go back to work if I wanted the ACA insurance. There was a health-sharing form of health care from Medi-Share. It's basically a way to get care that's managed by a Christian organization that covers disasters but not pre-existing conditions until after the condition has shown it's not going to show up early (3 year and 5 year limits until coverage). I  have a pre-existing condition - aneurysm that eventually needs to get fixed unless it blows so there is that risk. The wife was not happy about it, but I wasn't going to go back to work just to pay an insurance company - would rather have a few good years enjoying life with her and then say goodbye if it comes to that. The point is, insurance is so expensive because we're trying to prop up life for a cost that is unsupportable. This will continue to be a shell game where someone loses - usually the guy at the bottom of the pile - the taxpayer.


At no time has the hospitals been eating the cost!  The working people end up paying for it in a higher cost.  Just like Rx's, we pay more so other countries can pay less or not at all. 
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Solar on March 07, 2017, 08:23:14 AM
Quote from: walkstall on March 07, 2017, 08:18:04 AM

At no time has the hospitals been eating the cost!  The working people end up paying for it in a higher cost.  Just like Rx's, we pay more so other countries can pay less or not at all.
Absolutely right, the taxpayer always foots the bill in the end, always!
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: supsalemgr on March 07, 2017, 12:59:52 PM
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/07/10-million-to-lose-coverage-under-gops-obamacare-reform-plan.html

Get ready for these type of "the sky is falling" articles as we move forward into the replacement process for Obamacare. Yes fewer people will choose to pursue healthcare once the mandate is removed. Moving folks off of Medicaid is not bad. There is also one big missing in this article. With the mandates removed employers are more likely to move back into providing healthcare benefits, especially if the economy experiences better growth. Employers will not be reluctant to hire more than fifty employees.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 07, 2017, 02:27:57 PM
It appears that the GOP disregarded both Cruz and Paul's plan.  Unfortunately they aren't repealing ... they are simply tweaking the plan.  This is an absolute disaster as the same language in the bill in regards to illegals has been kept. The cost of giving healthcare to illegals has had a crippling affect on the economy.

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/03/obamacare-2-point-0-is-a-gift-to-illegals-oh-and-gop-you-lie
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: redbeard on March 07, 2017, 03:01:31 PM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 07, 2017, 02:27:57 PM
It appears that the GOP disregarded both Cruz and Paul's plan.  Unfortunately they aren't repealing ... they are simply tweaking the plan.  This is an absolute disaster as the same language in the bill in regards to illegals has been kept. The cost of giving healthcare to illegals has had a crippling affect on the economy.

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/03/obamacare-2-point-0-is-a-gift-to-illegals-oh-and-gop-you-lie
Need to get the government out of the insurance business and let the free market handle it! As far as people that go uninsured or can't afford insurance why not a series of government free clinics and a few core hospitals. If you don't like the free care get a freeking job!
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: taxed on March 07, 2017, 03:17:57 PM
Quote from: redbeard on March 07, 2017, 03:01:31 PM
Need to get the government out of the insurance business and let the free market handle it! As far as people that go uninsured or can't afford insurance why not a series of government free clinics and a few core hospitals. If you don't like the free care get a freeking job!

Tell it to the President: http://politistick.com/trump-proud-support-house-gop-obamacare-replacement-plan/
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: CasND on March 07, 2017, 03:37:49 PM
I'm about ready to give up... :cursing:
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: taxed on March 07, 2017, 04:17:40 PM
Apparently it's DOA according to Freedom Caucus Hannity is interviewing right now...
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 07, 2017, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: redbeard on March 07, 2017, 03:01:31 PM
Need to get the government out of the insurance business and let the free market handle it! As far as people that go uninsured or can't afford insurance why not a series of government free clinics and a few core hospitals. If you don't like the free care get a freeking job!

While on the surface, free clinics and core hospitals seem logical except .... many would opt not to afford health insurance and just use the free clinics and hospitals which then opens the door for single payer insurance and socialized medicine.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 07, 2017, 04:22:21 PM
Quote from: taxed on March 07, 2017, 04:17:40 PM
Apparently it's DOA according to Freedom Caucus Hannity is interviewing right now...

Rand Paul also stated that he doesn't see it passing.  I hope not; from what I've read what they've rolled out isn't a whole lot different than what's in place.   :cursing:
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: taxed on March 07, 2017, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 07, 2017, 04:22:21 PM
Rand Paul also stated that he doesn't see it passing.  I hope not; from what I've read what they've rolled out isn't a whole lot different than what's in place.   :cursing:

From what I've seen, it would be a big mess.

Here's how much this whole thing should cost: $0
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: mrconservative on March 07, 2017, 04:37:58 PM
Quote from: taxed on March 07, 2017, 04:17:40 PM
Apparently it's DOA according to Freedom Caucus Hannity is interviewing right now...

If it makes it out of the House, I dont see any way it makes it out of the Senate. If only Lee, Cruz, Paul, and Sasse give this the middle finger, that gives the Senate 48 votes.

Unless 2 Dems shock the world and break rank, this bill in its current state is gonna die in the Senate.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: topside on March 07, 2017, 04:47:50 PM
Quote from: CasND on March 07, 2017, 03:37:49 PM
I'm about ready to give up... :cursing:

CasND: Never give up. Fight for what it true and right - praying and knowing that that God in whom we Trust as stated on every dollar bill has control of this despite our limited view of what happened today. And if you don't believe in God, you're a fool and you should wallow in your hopelessness. For in this creator is the hope that you need to keep going.

Under that hope, fight for what is true and right until you breathe your last. That's what the true patriots did for us when they started this Republic. They had it way harder than we do now - way harder. We need to keep up the fight for our children and future generations - that's what's at stake. The principles of the constitution haven't changed. I agree that circumstances looked pretty dismal up to last November - and even then the president elect was / is questionable. But he's in now and he's shown great strides in working toward the ideals of our republic.

And, yes, there's a bunch of crap going on now - even among the Pubs. But the election result was a miracle and there have been a lot of positive steps away from the BO Marxist regime. Yes, many have lost site of who we are - the problem we're fighting now is that the enemy of the Republic has infiltrated all around us But now is the time to act for what is right, to speak up for steps out of this mess and against what got us here in the first place. And we fight by shining light on change toward the the guiding principles of our Republic with everyone we talk to and by shining that same light on the darkness that our enemy brings against it.

I'm praying. I'm optimistic. We've seen a lot happening in the last six weeks. So chin up. Start speaking out to those you know for the good that's happening and also identify where others are taking us the wrong way.

If you're not sure what is aligned with the republic, then ask for help or post a position on this site. There are some very well-thought and experienced people here. If you can take put on thick skin and take their shit for awhile when you misstep, you can learn quite a bit.  :smile:
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: mrconservative on March 07, 2017, 04:55:43 PM
Daniel Horowitz was on Levin about an hour ago. He said that if he had to choose between Obamacare and this new RINOcare bill, he'd choose to keep Obamacare.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Hoofer on March 07, 2017, 05:05:24 PM
Several people have suggested we do nothing, let Obamacare die on it's own and the Democrats can own it to the grave.

Would that work instead of trying to pump new life into the mummified corpse of the ACA?
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Solar on March 07, 2017, 06:29:57 PM
Quote from: taxed on March 07, 2017, 04:17:40 PM
Apparently it's DOA according to Freedom Caucus Hannity is interviewing right now...
RINO are looking at midterms and getting scared. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: taxed on March 07, 2017, 06:31:04 PM
Poor Priebus.  He's caught in the middle.  He wants to keep his boss, Paul Ryan, happy, but he also wants to keep his job with the President.  What a pickle.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Cryptic Bert on March 07, 2017, 11:13:45 PM
Nope. Don't like it. It's slightly less horrible than Obamacare. Actually is lies somewhere between Obamacare and genital warts.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Bronx on March 08, 2017, 07:00:12 AM
Quote from: Hoofer on March 07, 2017, 05:05:24 PM
Several people have suggested we do nothing, let Obamacare die on it's own and the Democrats can own it to the grave.

Would that work instead of trying to pump new life into the mummified corpse of the ACA?

I say let Obamacare die on it's own if this is the junk the republicans are going to give us. Eights long years of votes so we can have the House of Reps., the senate, and the presidency all because of Obamacare and now Paul Ryan wants to let Obama off the hook with this crappy lobbyist health care Bill.

Talk about lobbyist. I hate lobbyist. I hate them, I hate them, and I hate them some more. I hate them now more then ever. This Rinocare is from the lobbyist for the Insurance companies.

To be honest if the republican congress can't right out repeal Obamacare (I don't know why) then I say let Obamacare die of a slow and painful death.

Oh by the why did I fail to mention that I hate lobbyist...!
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: mrconservative on March 08, 2017, 07:05:45 AM
The Reps had a bill a year and a half ago; back in 2015. It passed in the house and senate with no issues. Every single senate republican voted for it. But of course back then it "didn't count" because Obama vetoed it as soon as it hit his desk.

Now suddenly the Ryan and the rest of the RINOs dont wanna touch that bill and instead wants to try to push onto us this revamped Obamacare Lite garbage.  :cursing:
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Bronx on March 08, 2017, 07:19:26 AM
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2017, 07:05:45 AM
The Reps had a bill a year and a half ago; back in 2015. It passed in the house and senate with no issues. Every single senate republican voted for it. But of course back then it "didn't count" because Obama vetoed it as soon as it hit his desk.

Now suddenly the Ryan and the rest of the RINOs dont wanna touch that bill and instead wants to try to push onto us this revamped Obamacare Lite garbage.  :cursing:

Yeah Paul Ryan what happened to that BILL....?
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: mrconservative on March 08, 2017, 07:27:50 AM
Paul Ryan just has a joint healthcare presser with a couple other RINOs. During the presser Ryan said "We can not just repeal Obamacare because it will collapse"

:cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 08, 2017, 08:41:35 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 07, 2017, 11:13:45 PM
Nope. Don't like it. It's slightly less horrible than Obamacare. Actually is lies somewhere between Obamacare and genital warts.

That represents a problem all in itself; genital warts and no healthcare!
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 08, 2017, 08:42:33 AM
Rand Paul is absolutely correct on this; "Squishy Legislation Won't Fool Voters: Ryancare Will Loom Over Trump 2020"!
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Bronx on March 08, 2017, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2017, 07:27:50 AM
Paul Ryan just has a joint healthcare presser with a couple other RINOs. During the presser Ryan said "We can not just repeal Obamacare because it will collapse"

:cursing: :cursing: :cursing:

Paul Ryan just said his heath care Bill is a "Conservative Wish List"....

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F%5Bimg%2520width%3D100%2520height%3D100%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fi800.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy285%2Fbronx1957%2Flaughing-&hash=e741436dfaafa705fd9fd61eff55d59183e6aced)

Paul Ryan just took a SWIPE at conservative opposition during health care bill presser

He then goes on to explain just how conservative the health care bill really is, calling it a conservative wish list:

He literally calls the refundable tax credits a 'conservative' idea. Wow.

It looks to me that Ryan has just planted his flag on how he's going to handle the conservative opposition on this and it's not what any of us were hoping for.

READ AND WATCH MORE....
http://therightscoop.com/um-paul-ryan-just-took-a-swipe-at-conservative-opposition-during-health-care-bill-presser/
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Solar on March 08, 2017, 10:38:23 AM
Quote from: Bronx on March 08, 2017, 09:27:05 AM
Paul Ryan just said his heath care Bill is a "Conservative Wish List"....

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F%5Bimg%2520width%3D100%2520height%3D100%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fi800.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy285%2Fbronx1957%2Flaughing-&hash=e741436dfaafa705fd9fd61eff55d59183e6aced)

Paul Ryan just took a SWIPE at conservative opposition during health care bill presser

He then goes on to explain just how conservative the health care bill really is, calling it a conservative wish list:

He literally calls the refundable tax credits a 'conservative' idea. Wow.

It looks to me that Ryan has just planted his flag on how he's going to handle the conservative opposition on this and it's not what any of us were hoping for.

READ AND WATCH MORE....
http://therightscoop.com/um-paul-ryan-just-took-a-swipe-at-conservative-opposition-during-health-care-bill-presser/
If he thinks he's fooling conservatives, he better think again, there is nothing whatsoever conservative about govt run health care.
No one will buy into the lie/.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 08, 2017, 11:37:47 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 08, 2017, 10:38:23 AM
If he thinks he's fooling conservatives, he better think again, there is nothing whatsoever conservative about govt run health care.
No one will buy into the lie/.

Agreed.  I haven't seen anything that would indicate that this RINO has changed.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Solar on March 08, 2017, 11:52:23 AM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 08, 2017, 11:37:47 AM
Agreed.  I haven't seen anything that would indicate that this RINO has changed.
He's probably the most leftist RINO of the bunch, makes Rubio and Boehner look Conservative by comparison.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: supsalemgr on March 08, 2017, 12:12:48 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 08, 2017, 11:52:23 AM
He's probably the most leftist RINO of the bunch, makes Rubio and Boehner look Conservative by comparison.

As of right now all indications are that the Freedom Caucus is standing firm in its opposition. I don't agree with much that Rand Paul says, but he is right on that this RINO plan is Obamacare Light.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Solar on March 08, 2017, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 08, 2017, 12:12:48 PM
As of right now all indications are that the Freedom Caucus is standing firm in its opposition. I don't agree with much that Rand Paul says, but he is right on that this RINO plan is Obamacare Light.
If they can persuade a few RINO that their career may come to an end next Nov, we just might win this thing.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: zewazir on March 08, 2017, 03:06:26 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 08, 2017, 01:06:17 PM
If they can persuade a few RINO that their career may come to an end next Nov, we just might win this thing.
Forecasting the future careers of leftists holding the republican moniker is also up to us. time for true conservatives to show all America just how loud our voices can get.

And we won't be needing to overturn cars and burn out local businesses to be heard, either.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: ldub23 on March 09, 2017, 03:37:39 AM
It will pass the house, hopefully  not the senate.
Title: Re: Reps will get killed with their Healthcare replacement bill
Post by: Solar on March 09, 2017, 05:48:49 AM
Quote from: ldub23 on March 09, 2017, 03:37:39 AM
It will pass the house, hopefully  not the senate.
What makes you so certain? Right now they don't have the votes, sure that can change, but not at the moment.

Cruz disagrees with you as well.

Ted Cruz Warns That New Obamacare Repeal Bill Cannot Pass The Senate, As Written

Texas Senator Ted Cruz has been rather quiet about the rollout of the new Republican bill that aims to be the replacement for Obamacare.

The complaint is that this was not the repeal many were asking for, and in fact, were promised. Rather, this nipped around the edges and "amended" Obamacare.

NOT what people wanted.

While Cruz's "best friend in the Senate," Senator Mike Lee (R-Utah) has already spoken out strongly against the passage of a bill that merely makes adjustments to the disastrous Obamacare law, many were waiting to hear Senator Cruz's take.

Today, the senator has made a tentative statement.

"The House bill is a beginning. The House bill as drafted, I do not believe, would pass the United States Senate," he said.

Cruz, despite his reservations on the House legislation, predicted that lawmakers would eventually be able to reach a deal.

"I believe we can and will repeal ObamaCare," he told reporters. "I believe at the end of the day we will get to yes."

http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2017/03/08/ted-cruz-warns-new-obamacare-repeal-bill-cannot-pass-senate-written/