No link for this...this was a panel interview on Fox.

Neil Cavuto was bringing the GOP leadership to task for stating that even if they win both chambers they couldnt repeal obamacare...the wont have a veto proof majority. The best they could do was change parts of it.

   Cavuto asked one of the Conservative think tank guys about the influence of teaparty candidates who win on tues will have in setting the agenda.
   The guy I cant remember his name dangit said...There wont be enough of them to force the agenda, he said along with teaparty candidates being elected theres just as many moderate republicans going to win election on tues...in New England and more moderate and democrat areas that will go to the GOP.

    Cavuto put up Poll results on the question of Ending or Making major cuts to Social Security and Medicare...a majority of conservatives said no...65% of independents said NO and about the same for Democrats.
     Dont attack me im not saying I dont support change to SS and medicare...but I do have the position and always have that whoever tries to abolish it or make major cuts to it...would be dead in the water for the next election and I stand by that.
     If the gop takes both houses and some of them immediately start hammering on SS and Medicare...the democrats will be voted back in next cycle and all obama will have to do to get re elected in two years is say...ILL VETO ANY REPUBLICAN BILLS TO END OR CUT SS OR MEDICARE....again i dont agree with this...but I see it happening until baby boomers are gone or too old to vote...and that will begin to happen in 10 to 15 yrs. 
     Id
 

I disagree 10,000%. The thing is running out of cash. So long as we don't cut it for people over 55, I believe this is a workable thing. 55 and up gets the same deal that's there today. Under 55 you get less at a later age and with more strings attached. But the thing you need to remember is that people my age (40) already don't expect to get anything. I understand my role is to pay a higher lifetime rate than any of the people currently drawing and then get nothing. I've made my peace with that. And I think tens of millions of other Americans have done the same.

Of course a Republican House and Senate couldn't override an Obama veto and Obama has made it very clear he will fight us tooth and nail when we go against his agenda. But this isn't new. I've been saying this since the summer.

The plan is simple. If we have the House then we have the purse strings. All spending legislation starts in the house. First there will be no new overarching, sweeping leftist passion projects to get passed. That ship has sailed. Nothing like that will get out of the House so things will not move more to the left. Second, we can attack the peripheral aspects of things like Obamacare. For example, we can defund the 15,000 new IRS agents needed to enforce the mandatory insurance requirements. Without that, the whole thing becomes unworkable. And that's only one line of attack. Third, we can paint Obama further and further to the left. He will attack Republicans and veto popular legislation and marginalize himself more and more with every action. It's gonna work like quicksand for the president.

Then in 2012 we take the top office, complete the retaking of the Senate and get even more commited fiscal conservatives in each branch of congress and in 2013 we will undo whatever is left of the Obama legacy. Taking it down one brick at a time if neeed.

SS shouldn't even come up as an issue yet, the Marxists have done sooo much damage, that SS should be the last thing we focus on.

The border is by far more important, Hell, that alone would save SS millions the first year.

Why this question was raised is beyond me, it is putting the cart before the horse.

Zip, keep in mind that the lefties didn't bring us to this point in a single session of Congress and it's a bit unrealistic to believe we can undo their agenda in a singe session of Congress.

Also, as conservatives, we're peddling an inherently unattractive product: responsibility. The lefties are offering the keys to the candy store and we're lecturing about the dangers of tooth decay.

Still, I think we'll win because it's become clearer and clearer that what the lefties are offering isn't something people with any sense of responsibility would want.

Of course a Republican House and Senate couldn't override an Obama veto and Obama has made it very clear he will fight us tooth and nail when we go against his agenda. But this isn't new. I've been saying this since the summer.


That was the key to the argument dan...obama will most definitely veto any SS cuts, he knows the trouble hes already in

Quote from: zip on October 29, 2010, 07:38:43 AMThat was the key to the argument dan...obama will most definitely veto any SS cuts, he knows the trouble hes already in

And he can kick the can down the road for 2 years. That's why I don't see Repubicans really attacking the issue until they have the horses to do something about it. But I wouldn't call it a third rail anymore. Everyone knows this train is going off a cliff. The only question is when to jump off.

Wow, so many great points made by everybody! 

I believe that many people are expecting way too much from a possible Republican controlled House and a possible Republican-controlled Senate.

As many have stated, neither will be "veto-proof", there will have to be plenty of compromise (as usual) by the Republicans in order to get Obama to sign off on legislation, and never underestimate the ego and narcissism and arrogance of Obama.

The major card that a Republican-controlled House and/or Senate will hold will be controlling the purse strings.  Obama can't spend a DIME without Congressional approval.  He does not have that power, except during a "national emergency", which opens a whole other can of worms.

Exactly. The Republican mandate for 2010 is to stop Obama's reckless spending policies. They don't have to reverse everything before they have the power to do so. They just have to stop the bleeding. If they stick to that then they will be fine. Of course the leftwing press will try to outflank the will of the American people and create a false sense that we want the Republicans to compromise their values and advance the Obama agenda, but that's pure bullshit.

If the Republicans don't give an inch on the free spending libs and force them to act like adults then they will have much bigger gains in 2012. It's just that simple.

I am so done with libs.

All we have to do is preach up and down to the seniors that they are currently being robbed that we want to fix their system.  If $1 was taken from you for SS, then you get the $1 back, plus interest.  We make the case for compound interest, etc.  Ever person truly gets their own account.  If someone is in their 30s or 40s, there is still time for them to recover more of their money at retirement, untouched and guaranteed.

Also, these people help make a major fix to the Treasury, and make a major step into forcing real, legitimate accounting to our government.

I am so tired of libs obfuscating 2+2 = 4, and the idiots that get caught up in it.

Liberals gnerally aren't good at math.  :P

Quote from: Dan on October 29, 2010, 10:53:11 AM
Liberals gnerally aren't good at math.  :P

Or thinking.

Liberals are good for NOTHING. 

Quote from: AmericanFlyer on October 29, 2010, 03:19:34 PM
Liberals are good for NOTHING.

They are good for fertilizer.

Quote from: arpad on October 29, 2010, 07:38:37 AM
Zip, keep in mind that the lefties didn't bring us to this point in a single session of Congress and it's a bit unrealistic to believe we can undo their agenda in a singe session of Congress.

Also, as conservatives, we're peddling an inherently unattractive product: responsibility. The lefties are offering the keys to the candy store and we're lecturing about the dangers of tooth decay.

Still, I think we'll win because it's become clearer and clearer that what the lefties are offering isn't something people with any sense of responsibility would want.

arpad, I have to commend you. Beautifully said! We're trying to sell what the lollipop crowd sees as something ugly. Somehow, we as dentists have to find a way to accommodate that bunch. We have to flip them over to artificial sweeteners! (Have you heard that saccharin is now good food?)

Yes, we'll win, at least in the end. Their way can't possibly work, whether anyone wants it to or not. I'd like for us all to come to that realization BEFORE we bankrupt the USA.