Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump

Started by Solar, September 11, 2017, 12:12:14 PM

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Quote from: Hoofer on September 16, 2017, 09:21:52 AM
That much I agree with, "he's not an idealist."  There's still a legislative body he'll have to work with, and getting a muddied up message isn't helping.

Aren't you a bit suspicious about the PTSD?   Pelosi-Trump-Shumer-Dinner?   I don't see this as the Dems jockeying around with Trump and the GOPe being defiant - more like "What's our message suppose to be?   Steve?  STEVE!?  Oh, crap, we fired him..."
As an optimist, I agree with Super, though I'll wait and see how this plays out, it could be a genius maneuver, or a move left, I'll wait and see.
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Quote from: Hoofer on September 16, 2017, 09:21:52 AM
That much I agree with, "he's not an idealist."  There's still a legislative body he'll have to work with, and getting a muddied up message isn't helping.

Aren't you a bit suspicious about the PTSD?   Pelosi-Trump-Shumer-Dinner?   I don't see this as the Dems jockeying around with Trump and the GOPe being defiant - more like "What's our message suppose to be?   Steve?  STEVE!?  Oh, crap, we fired him..."

We will have to wait and see what the substance is from that meeting. I do believe Trump is smart enough to know that Schumer and Pelosi are snakes. My main point is the meeting put additional heat and exposure on McConnell and Ryan that they are doing nothing.
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Quote from: supsalemgr on September 16, 2017, 10:30:10 AM
We will have to wait and see what the substance is from that meeting. I do believe Trump is smart enough to know that Schumer and Pelosi are snakes. My main point is the meeting put additional heat and exposure on McConnell and Ryan that they are doing nothing.
Yep, right now, the media is hyping it all to Hell, even celebrated it in San Fran, but it was the Establishments reaction that was most telling, with Brit Fume whining they didn't get their way, claiming Trump was being played for a fool.
Nah, I don't see Trump as a fool when it comes to playing, or should I say, 'pitting' one side against another. :biggrin:

I have hope that Trump essentially played both scumsucking party's.
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I hope you guys are right, even if somewhat right - better than a collapse of policy into Leftism.

Where are the conservatives in this Administration?   sure, Steve Bannon was sucking all the air out of the room, but at least it seemed like we were heading in the right direction - which I honestly didn't expect out of Trump, but WELCOME the right direction!

I'd feel a LOT better, with a consistent message coming out of the White House - period.  But, wouldn't mind the MSM knocked back on their heels again!
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Quote from: Hoofer on September 16, 2017, 01:08:33 PM
I hope you guys are right, even if somewhat right - better than a collapse of policy into Leftism.

Where are the conservatives in this Administration?   sure, Steve Bannon was sucking all the air out of the room, but at least it seemed like we were heading in the right direction - which I honestly didn't expect out of Trump, but WELCOME the right direction!

I'd feel a LOT better, with a consistent message coming out of the White House - period.  But, wouldn't mind the MSM knocked back on their heels again!
And that is the exact reason I never supported him in the first place, he's a freakin moderate without core values.
He has no issue growing government and seems completely void of any understanding of our Founders beliefs.
Though he does appear on the surface to, in the least, lean more right than left.
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Quote from: Mountainshield on September 16, 2017, 07:08:19 AM
At least Trump has bought your country time to organize and one good news is the younger generations though they are not conservative yet, the majority Are certainly not leftists. I have seen friends that has gone from very liberal to conservative The last 6 years. This forum supported Cruz until The bitter end and then went full Trump because The alternative was economic and social catastrophe. I have to admit I failed in my support for Cruz and got on The Trump train when Cruz was still The best Choice.

Time is on our side, The left is already started reenacting The Reign of Terror and eating their own. Let them destroy each other, The millenials which many of us including myself thought were beyond redemption have actually more propensity for heroic conservatism than genXers such as my generation. They Are seeing leftism for what it is and Are longing for right Wing values which 20th century have proven to work. The right wing just won the election in my country, we Are winning The culture war, which is also why The left now want cencorship.

That sounds wonderful but not sure I'm seeing the same thing with these younger kids. What I have seen is high school and college snowflakes walking out of class if something upsets the communist agenda of their teachers and hippy "cool" parents. I suppose it can vary on your location. Being in the Seattle area I get a very leftist view of the world.
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Quote from: supsalemgr on September 16, 2017, 10:30:10 AM
We will have to wait and see what the substance is from that meeting. I do believe Trump is smart enough to know that Schumer and Pelosi are snakes. My main point is the meeting put additional heat and exposure on McConnell and Ryan that they are doing nothing.

I'm not so sure McConnell and Ryan are too upset that Trump is working with Chuck and Nancy. It's probably a lot easier than them having to actually work with the freedom caucus...as unfortunate as that is.
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Quote from: Fishman on September 16, 2017, 01:59:57 PM
That sounds wonderful but not sure I'm seeing the same thing with these younger kids. What I have seen is high school and college snowflakes walking out of class if something upsets the communist agenda of their teachers and hippy "cool" parents. I suppose it can vary on your location. Being in the Seattle area I get a very leftist view of the world.


I feel for you.  Seattle is the leftist Sewer Cesspool for the state of Washington.
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Quote from: Fishman on September 16, 2017, 01:59:57 PM
That sounds wonderful but not sure I'm seeing the same thing with these younger kids. What I have seen is high school and college snowflakes walking out of class if something upsets the communist agenda of their teachers and hippy "cool" parents. I suppose it can vary on your location. Being in the Seattle area I get a very leftist view of the world.
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Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2017, 01:19:36 PM
And that is the exact reason I never supported him in the first place, he's a freakin moderate without core values.
He has no issue growing government and seems completely void of any understanding of our Founders beliefs.
Though he does appear on the surface to, in the least, lean more right than left.
That's it in a nutshell. From one day to the next, Trump can not be trusted to maintain conservative ideas or even the ideas he promoted yesterday. Maybe Cruz could not have done any better, I don't believe that but it can not be proven. What I do know is with Cruz in the whitehouse I would know what to expect every day from him. And he damn sure would not have neglected his base.

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Quote from: s3779m on September 16, 2017, 04:25:15 PM
That's it in a nutshell. From one day to the next, Trump can not be trusted to maintain conservative ideas or even the ideas he promoted yesterday. Maybe Cruz could not have done any better, I don't believe that but it can not be proven. What I do know is with Cruz in the whitehouse I would know what to expect every day from him. And he damn sure would not have neglected his base.
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I've lived in Ohio all my life, and I have to go back in memory to John Gilligan (yes, Kathleen Sebelius' daddy) to find a governor I detested more than John Kasich. What Kasich did in the 2016 election is beyond excuse. I swear to Christ somebody was paying him -- Hillary or Soros or maybe even Trump himself.
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Yeah, it appears that Trump's being stonewalled by 2 different sets of enemies, Pelosi-Schumer and Ryan-McConnell.

Trump has no way to jockey the GOP guys around against the dems, so he just went with the easier scam.... take advantage of the dems' basic stupidity and self-adoration, and maneuver them into something temporary / fleeting.  Just to put the screws to Cryin' and Bitch.  He's succeeding in making them look even more useless & inconsequential than normal, and he may get them to get off their asses as a result.

Not a bad play by Trump.

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Quote from: Fishman on September 16, 2017, 01:59:57 PM
That sounds wonderful but not sure I'm seeing the same thing with these younger kids. What I have seen is high school and college snowflakes walking out of class if something upsets the communist agenda of their teachers and hippy "cool" parents. I suppose it can vary on your location. Being in the Seattle area I get a very leftist view of the world.

Yeah you Are right about The college kids being majority leftists, at least for their stay at uni. But from The imageboards/forums outside of top down controlled reddit The younger generations Are right wing. Right wing memes get over 4 too 5 times as many likes as moderate leftist statements and The radical leftists statements get ignored. Also 4chan 8chan /pol/ etc Are basically Kekistan. And also take YouTube into consideration, The right wing channels dwarf left wing channels in views and that is Even with youtube proven to inflate left wing videos view count and delete subscribers from right wing channels. The leftists scream The loudest som our perspective get distorted. And dont forget 1000 seats to listen to a right wing Jew talk about how much leftists suck sold out in hours. :thumbup: