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Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump
« on: September 11, 2017, 12:12:14 PM »
Cruz prophetic words come to fruition.

From the 2016 Republican primary campaign trail comes this seemingly prophetic flashback of Texas Senator Ted Cruz  predicting that if elected president, Donald Trump would cut deals with leftist Democrats like now-retired Harry Reid, and current leaders in the Senate and the House respectively, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi .

Speaking in New Hampshire in January 2016, Ted Cruz, who ended up eventually placing a strong second place behind Donald Trump in the 2016 GOP primary, said that the DC establishment was lining up behind Trump because they believe he’ll cut deals with them.

Cruz told the panel that if you think the problem in Washington is Republicans not making enough deals with Democrats, then Trump is your guy:

“We’re seeing something fairly remarkable happening on the political terrain — We’re seeing the Washington establishment abandoning Marco Rubio. I think they’ve made the determination that Marco can’t win. And they’re rushing to support Donald Trump. And just yesterday Bob Dole explained why the establishment is supporting Donald Trump. They said he’s someone we can make a deal with. He’s someone we can cut a deal with.
And I would note Donald just a couple of days ago drew the difference between me and him. And he said, look, Ted won’t go along to get along. He won’t cut a deal. So if as a voter you think what we need is more Republicans in Washington to cut a deal with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, then I guess Donald Trump’s your guy.”


http://thepolitistick.com/2016-flashback-ted-cruz-predicts-trump-will-cut-deals-pelosi-schumer/
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Re: Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2017, 03:18:26 PM »
I still wonder if someday it'll come out that John Kasich was in the pay of either Donald Trump or the Clintons.
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Re: Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2017, 03:22:27 PM »
I still wonder if someday it'll come out that John Kasich was in the pay of either Donald Trump or the Clintons.
Yeah.... there's more than just Kasich I wondered about, who was funding them, just to split the vote.
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Re: Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2017, 04:06:17 PM »
Yeah.... there's more than just Kasich I wondered about, who was funding them, just to split the vote.
I'd say the gop'E, but Leftist Establishment pretty much covers both party's
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Re: Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2017, 06:24:15 PM »
How could far left liberal Kasich split Cruz's vote? Who in the DC establishment lined  up to support Trump? I think Trump has done  just  fine so far. Its the hate Trump reps in congress that are sitting  on their asses(i dont  include Cruz). As far as the deal with the dems all he did was what was going to happen anyway. Its all about tax cuts  now and  if the reps dont deliver then Trump will be cutting alot  of deals with speaker Pelosi.

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Re: Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2017, 12:27:35 AM »
How could far left liberal Kasich split Cruz's vote? Who in the DC establishment lined  up to support Trump? I think Trump has done  just  fine so far. Its the hate Trump reps in congress that are sitting  on their asses(i dont  include Cruz). As far as the deal with the dems all he did was what was going to happen anyway. Its all about tax cuts  now and  if the reps dont deliver then Trump will be cutting alot  of deals with speaker Pelosi.
Imho, the vote that got split was the "never Trump" vote. Conservatives were going to go for Cruz, the wishy washy who would not vote for Trump now had a choice between Cruz and kasich, and most voters (again imho) who did vote for kasich were voting against trump and not for issues. Trump was supposed to be the easiest candidate for hillary to beat. (which is why I still think hillary backed up kasich campaign, she did not want Cruz to get all of the "never Trump vote.) BUTT, after watching congress this session, I  think ryan and mcconnell and many of the rino's wold have rather seen hillary in the white house than Cruz.

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Re: Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2017, 06:17:08 AM »
Imho, the vote that got split was the "never Trump" vote. Conservatives were going to go for Cruz, the wishy washy who would not vote for Trump now had a choice between Cruz and kasich, and most voters (again imho) who did vote for kasich were voting against trump and not for issues. Trump was supposed to be the easiest candidate for hillary to beat. (which is why I still think hillary backed up kasich campaign, she did not want Cruz to get all of the "never Trump vote.) BUTT, after watching congress this session, I  think ryan and mcconnell and many of the rino's wold have rather seen hillary in the white house than Cruz.
Spot on, I agree with everything you said except that Clinton supported kasuck.

That was all on the gop'E and their need to split the vote.
Kasuck divided the never Clinton vote and never Trump vote.
They may not have supported Clinton, but they despised Trump even more and the gop'E couldn't take the risk of them supporting Cruz, who was making a Hell of a lot of sense to pissed off libs.
This had Establishment RNC prints all over it, where floating large numbers of candidates no one wants, so as to divide and drown out support for the one conservative candidate till they run out of money and can bring their chosen leftist across the finish line.

The only reason I point this out,  is they've used this trick for decades, even perfected the science behind it and most definitely will be using it in 2018 and we need to prepare for it, convince people not to settle for another leftist RINO, vote Dim if they have to, but we need to stop supporting the leftist Establishment once and for all.
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Re: Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2017, 01:42:15 PM »
Spot on, I agree with everything you said except that Clinton supported kasuck.

That was all on the gop'E and their need to split the vote.
Kasuck divided the never Clinton vote and never Trump vote.
They may not have supported Clinton, but they despised Trump even more and the gop'E couldn't take the risk of them supporting Cruz, who was making a Hell of a lot of sense to pissed off libs.
This had Establishment RNC prints all over it, where floating large numbers of candidates no one wants, so as to divide and drown out support for the one conservative candidate till they run out of money and can bring their chosen leftist across the finish line.

The only reason I point this out,  is they've used this trick for decades, even perfected the science behind it and most definitely will be using it in 2018 and we need to prepare for it, convince people not to settle for another leftist RINO, vote Dim if they have to, but we need to stop supporting the leftist Establishment once and for all.
I can see that. Looking back, right after the election, I was hoping the republicans in congress would help steer Trump to a more conservative agenda. Is that a damn joke now. Can't wait for 2018 to flush the rinos out.

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Re: Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2017, 01:59:28 PM »
I can see that. Looking back, right after the election, I was hoping the republicans in congress would help steer Trump to a more conservative agenda. Is that a damn joke now. Can't wait for 2018 to flush the rinos out.
Yeah, if anything, Ksuck stole votes away from Clinton. :lol:
Yep, 2018 has the RINO in panic mode, knowing they're on the verge of extinction. :cool:
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Re: Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2017, 04:26:13 AM »
Imho, the vote that got split was the "never Trump" vote. Conservatives were going to go for Cruz, the wishy washy who would not vote for Trump now had a choice between Cruz and kasich, and most voters (again imho) who did vote for kasich were voting against trump and not for issues. Trump was supposed to be the easiest candidate for hillary to beat. (which is why I still think hillary backed up kasich campaign, she did not want Cruz to get all of the "never Trump vote.) BUTT, after watching congress this session, I  think ryan and mcconnell and many of the rino's wold have rather seen hillary in the white house than Cruz.

...and don't forget about the RINO's golden boy Marco Rubio.  He's pretty much the reason we have President Trump right now.  Preibus and Ryan were responsible for ignoring the roll call to push the vote at the convention, ultimately solidifying Trump as the nominee, but that wouldn't have even been an issue had Rubio dropped out and not dragged Cruz down in the first place.

I will never forgive that piece of shit for what he did.

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Re: Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2017, 07:08:19 AM »
At least Trump has bought your country time to organize and one good news is the younger generations though they are not conservative yet, the majority Are certainly not leftists. I have seen friends that has gone from very liberal to conservative The last 6 years. This forum supported Cruz until The bitter end and then went full Trump because The alternative was economic and social catastrophe. I have to admit I failed in my support for Cruz and got on The Trump train when Cruz was still The best Choice.

Time is on our side, The left is already started reenacting The Reign of Terror and eating their own. Let them destroy each other, The millenials which many of us including myself thought were beyond redemption have actually more propensity for heroic conservatism than genXers such as my generation. They Are seeing leftism for what it is and Are longing for right Wing values which 20th century have proven to work. The right wing just won the election in my country, we Are winning The culture war, which is also why The left now want cencorship.

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Re: Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2017, 08:03:47 AM »
I voted for Ted Cruz because his proven track record of Constitutional Conservationism mirrors my own positions, period.
Not much for the cult-of-personality follower, which no doubt are some of Donald Trump's - I'll back him, while he's on a Conservative track.  Trump may really like the foundation on which America, the system of representative government, but... he's been on the wrong side of the fence so long - it's up to his advisors, "Hey, Don... we should support THIS, and be against THAT" - I fear his patriotism is a bit confusing.   

Does anyone really understand where Donald Trump's allegiances rest?  No problem with Ted Cruz, and BTW, if Trump needs anyone, Cruz is needed more than ever to coalesce Conservative support around Trump.    With Steve Bannon on the outside, it appears Trump is drifting back into his nearly life-long comfort zone, the arms of Leftists, Liberals & Socialists.   This week's dinner with Pelosi & Shumer, gloating, "We got a DEAL!", followed by Trump's confusing statements - PROVES he needs to circle the wagons and fix the communications problem.  I have some "hope" in Hope Hicks to get the central idea out, the rest of the leaks need to stop - it's destroying any chance Donald Trump will ever be successful.


Funny thing, that GOPe, they actually think they're more popular than the President.
For those Millennial poo-poo'ers Hope Hicks is just 28 years old.  Looking into this interview, the problem clarifies.


So, WHY are WE lamenting the direction Trump is turning - is he turning left?  IMHO, it's one of two things.

a.  Trump always was a Social & Fiscal moderate, never a conservative, it was those like Bannon who sold Conservatives on a carefully crafted message.  The curtain has been lifted.

b.  Nothing has changed, the Trump pseudo-conservative agenda rolls on.   But, the 3rd party politic, MSM (Main Stream Media, Drive-by-media), is doing more than just misrepresenting Trump, they're trying to reshape and drive his agenda, off the tracks, over the cliff.  It's the communications from the WH that needs fixing & a few more firings.


With that in mind, I seriously wonder if Ted Cruz could actually do a better job at this point, than Donald Trump.
From a purely management perspective - apart from political affiliation, with so many entrenched enemies in the departments a President relies upon - Trump may be doing better than Cruz would.  I'd like to see Cruz as President in 2024, after the "dirty work" is done by Donald... if the swamp can be drained, that is.
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Re: Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2017, 08:08:01 AM »
At least Trump has bought your country time to organize and one good news is the younger generations though they are not conservative yet, the majority Are certainly not leftists. I have seen friends that has gone from very liberal to conservative The last 6 years. This forum supported Cruz until The bitter end and then went full Trump because The alternative was economic and social catastrophe. I have to admit I failed in my support for Cruz and got on The Trump train when Cruz was still The best Choice.

Time is on our side, The left is already started reenacting The Reign of Terror and eating their own. Let them destroy each other, The millenials which many of us including myself thought were beyond redemption have actually more propensity for heroic conservatism than genXers such as my generation. They Are seeing leftism for what it is and Are longing for right Wing values which 20th century have proven to work. The right wing just won the election in my country, we Are winning The culture war, which is also why The left now want cencorship.
I talked about this in 2009, where Millennials were starting to wake up and were slapped awake by the lie of free health care when they discovered they were paying for us old farts health care, something they wouldn't need for 20 some odd years.
They, in turn, told their younger siblings, Gen Z presumably, who are now coming of age and questioning everything, something Conservatives refer to as "Critical Thinking".

The pendulum has swung and knocked the Leftist Dims clean off the cliff.
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Re: Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2017, 09:12:15 AM »
I voted for Ted Cruz because his proven track record of Constitutional Conservationism mirrors my own positions, period.
Not much for the cult-of-personality follower, which no doubt are some of Donald Trump's - I'll back him, while he's on a Conservative track.  Trump may really like the foundation on which America, the system of representative government, but... he's been on the wrong side of the fence so long - it's up to his advisors, "Hey, Don... we should support THIS, and be against THAT" - I fear his patriotism is a bit confusing.   

Does anyone really understand where Donald Trump's allegiances rest?  No problem with Ted Cruz, and BTW, if Trump needs anyone, Cruz is needed more than ever to coalesce Conservative support around Trump.    With Steve Bannon on the outside, it appears Trump is drifting back into his nearly life-long comfort zone, the arms of Leftists, Liberals & Socialists.   This week's dinner with Pelosi & Shumer, gloating, "We got a DEAL!", followed by Trump's confusing statements - PROVES he needs to circle the wagons and fix the communications problem.  I have some "hope" in Hope Hicks to get the central idea out, the rest of the leaks need to stop - it's destroying any chance Donald Trump will ever be successful.


Funny thing, that GOPe, they actually think they're more popular than the President.
For those Millennial poo-poo'ers Hope Hicks is just 28 years old.  Looking into this interview, the problem clarifies.


So, WHY are WE lamenting the direction Trump is turning - is he turning left?  IMHO, it's one of two things.

a.  Trump always was a Social & Fiscal moderate, never a conservative, it was those like Bannon who sold Conservatives on a carefully crafted message.  The curtain has been lifted.

b.  Nothing has changed, the Trump pseudo-conservative agenda rolls on.   But, the 3rd party politic, MSM (Main Stream Media, Drive-by-media), is doing more than just misrepresenting Trump, they're trying to reshape and drive his agenda, off the tracks, over the cliff.  It's the communications from the WH that needs fixing & a few more firings.


With that in mind, I seriously wonder if Ted Cruz could actually do a better job at this point, than Donald Trump.
From a purely management perspective - apart from political affiliation, with so many entrenched enemies in the departments a President relies upon - Trump may be doing better than Cruz would.  I'd like to see Cruz as President in 2024, after the "dirty work" is done by Donald... if the swamp can be drained, that is.

Go back to the campaign and remember how Trump out maneuvered the MSM and dems. He is not an idealist. What he is doing now with Schumer and Pelosi is using them to out maneuver McConnell and Ryan. It is working.
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Re: Remembering Why We Supported Cruz Over Trump
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2017, 09:21:52 AM »
Go back to the campaign and remember how Trump out maneuvered the MSM and dems. He is not an idealist. What he is doing now with Schumer and Pelosi is using them to out maneuver McConnell and Ryan. It is working.
That much I agree with, "he's not an idealist."  There's still a legislative body he'll have to work with, and getting a muddied up message isn't helping.

Aren't you a bit suspicious about the PTSD?   Pelosi-Trump-Shumer-Dinner?   I don't see this as the Dems jockeying around with Trump and the GOPe being defiant - more like "What's our message suppose to be?   Steve?  STEVE!?  Oh, crap, we fired him..."
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