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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #75 on: September 08, 2019, 05:01:36 PM »
Your getting all the liberals excited.
They actually think law abiding gun owners would actually give up weapons without a fight. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Not once considering there are States that would refuse to enforce it, because they're smart, they don't want their police getting killed.
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #76 on: September 08, 2019, 05:16:16 PM »
They also don't consider, nor really care, frankly, about the violent attacks prevented by guns.

To be in favor of gun control and red flag laws is very selfish and inconsiderate of others.
Stossel has a great video on this.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1169600270025854977
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #77 on: September 08, 2019, 05:26:46 PM »
Stossel has a great video on this.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1169600270025854977

"Hollywood cops are wrong... and real cops are right..."   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #78 on: September 08, 2019, 05:38:15 PM »
"Hollywood cops are wrong... and real cops are right..."   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I quit watching cop shows 20 years ago, I got sick and tired of the PC BS and procedural lies they were trying to convince the public of.
I believe these shows played a huge part in making the public hate cops even more.
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #79 on: September 08, 2019, 05:47:40 PM »
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I quit watching cop shows 20 years ago, I got sick and tired of the PC BS and procedural lies they were trying to convince the public of.
I believe these shows played a huge part in making the public hate cops even more.

No question...  Lately I've only been watching movies before 2010.  If it's a show or movie after 2015, I don't even consider watching it.  There's a few exceptions, but I've really been appreciating movies from over a decade ago.
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #80 on: September 08, 2019, 06:35:07 PM »
No question...  Lately I've only been watching movies before 2010.  If it's a show or movie after 2015, I don't even consider watching it.  There's a few exceptions, but I've really been appreciating movies from over a decade ago.
Yep, it's why old Westerns are still popular, when men were men and women were still respected.
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #81 on: September 08, 2019, 07:01:30 PM »
I can't remember John Wayne saying "call 911"; while he hid under the bed like Obama and the Democrats would.

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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #82 on: September 08, 2019, 07:10:10 PM »
I can't remember John Wayne saying "call 911"; while he hid under the bed like Obama and the Democrats would.
Yeah, me either, considering his phone was a Six Shooter. :biggrin:
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #83 on: September 09, 2019, 04:51:51 PM »
I agree with the thread premise and would add what is the need for weapons of mass destruction on the streets and in the homes of Americans. I have to also wonder who has the money to use a machine gun for hunting?  In case they miss the first time they get two hundred more times? 

"Fourteen-year-old boys are not part of a well-regulated militia. Members of wacky religious cults are not part of a well-regulated militia. Permitting unregulated citizens to have guns is destroying the security of this free state."  Molly Ivins

"In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud--I repeat the word 'fraud'--on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all. "In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'--'the militia'--would be maintained for the defense of the state."

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Every day, 310 people are shot in the United States. Among those:

100 people are shot and killed
210 survive gun injuries
95 are injured in an attack
61 die from suicide
10 survive a suicide attempt
1 is killed unintentionally
90 are shot unintentionally
1 is killed by legal intervention
4 are shot by legal intervention
1 died but the intent was unknown
12 are shot but the intent was unknown
You and your ilk need to be reminded that the shooting started in the Revolutionary War, when the Crown decided to subject the colonials to a little gun control at Lexington and Concord. Besides, speaking of the Founding Fathers, why in the world would you be willing to believe that people who had just fought an eight year revolt would be interested in giving their arms to any government?
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #84 on: September 10, 2019, 03:02:01 AM »
You and your ilk need to be reminded that the shooting started in the Revolutionary War, when the Crown decided to subject the colonials to a little gun control at Lexington and Concord. Besides, speaking of the Founding Fathers, why in the world would you be willing to believe that people who had just fought an eight year revolt would be interested in giving their arms to any government?
Since he does not answer questions let me take a guess, liberals decided long ago, when they embraced socialism, that the bible and the constitution, particularly the bill of rights to be irrelevant. As a worshiper of global warming and embracing socialism as the true ways, they do not need a history lesson from the likes of us. We who do not follow them are low class heathens to be controlled not listened to. This job would be easier once the guns are removed from the law abiding citizens.

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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #85 on: September 10, 2019, 07:00:35 AM »
Since he does not answer questions let me take a guess, liberals decided long ago, when they embraced socialism, that the bible and the constitution, particularly the bill of rights to be irrelevant. As a worshiper of global warming and embracing socialism as the true ways, they do not need a history lesson from the likes of us. We who do not follow them are low class heathens to be controlled not listened to. This job would be easier once the guns are removed from the law abiding citizens.
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #86 on: September 17, 2019, 11:11:45 AM »
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Do you realize how silly that sounds? The Bill of Rights was not given to us by the Govt, no, WE the people placed it as a barrier against the govt. So in truth, Red Flag laws are, for all intents and purposes, Illegal.
The govt never once had any business cracking that Pandora's box, and now that they have, we have people discussing the efficacy of the govt.
How about this? Instead of discussing how much Freedom and Liberty your's or the next generation should give up, how about you start demanding the govt get the Hell out of your business and start protecting what little you have left.
 

Of course they do, that's how the left wins. They take a little at a time till everyone just assumes that's the way it is.
Take the First, Freedom of Speech, written in stone, Right? Now think of the term "Hate Speech".
This is an encroachment into our Rights, because it won't be long before you will be arguing over "Precedent" as the left chips away at the First. "Well, it is hate after all, so it has no place in polite society, so I'll allow it.".
When it comes to our Freedoms and liberties, debate should never have an emotional component, unless you're fighting to retain or even restore them and willing to sacrifice life to preserve them.
How can one get emotional over giving up Liberties, you either stand your ground or simply give in, but concession is never emotional, it's cowardly.
Why? Point is, our Founders knew an armed society would be a polite society. They knew that if every person guaranteed the Right of self defense, that person would be on equal terms with his fellow citizen, that people would always seek common ground.
They also knew that the thought of mass shootings would be damned near impossible.

Here's Conservatism, and pay close attention to this line, but keep reading, it's short.

"Conservatism is the absence of government control over the individual."

https://conservativehardliner.com/what-is-conservatism

One question. Why are you so quick to argue for concession to the govt, why are you working for the Devil? You do know, even our Founders hated the idea of govt, that's why they created a Republic.
Yet here you are arguing why we should grow govt?

Thanks for picking this apart for me, it makes sense to me from a conservative perspective.  How would you argue this to someone more interested in government control? Also, what are your ideas on reducing gun violence, besides a rework of our culture to make it more God and family centered?
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #87 on: September 17, 2019, 11:18:08 AM »
So why do we need "red flag laws" to do that when we already have laws covering i] threats to do bodily harm, [/i] or "Terroristic threats" or "Brandishing firearms", all of which have specific elements that constitute the offense not some obscure references based on someone's opinion or judgement.

Once again part of this slippery slope I reference is the complainants subjectiveness that I fear will be used as criteria for these "red flag laws" and I do not trust the judgement of my fellow man especially the leftists or the idiots they elect who go around calling Veterans "terrorists" NRA Members terrorists, Trump supporters terrorists or Nazi's or whatever the latest unbalanced rant happens to be.  What is going to happen is some leftoid jackass is going to see the NRA sticker on my car or my new Betsy Ross flag sticker (Which is now supposed to be a symbol of hate) and go running to the nearest police Station demanding "action' because obviously anyone who is a NRA member and displays the BR flag is both a terrorist and a hater who should't have guns. Or maybe it is the "Gadsden flag" (Don't tread on me) flag flying from my house my Leftist neighbor feels "threatened" by, or it's....well you get the idea from the dozen other scenario's I could provide.

I have concerns these laws will be used as a weapon to harass innocent law abiding citizens and we BOTH know that is exactly what will happen
While I can totally see this happening, I think that person would be laughed out of the room.  There's no way a judge would accept a simple flag as grounds for firearm confiscation.
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2019, 11:21:19 AM »
There is already the means to report suspicious activity or any posting, or discussion that you might want to. But to act on that knowledge, law enforcement has to follow the constitutional guidelines, such as getting a search warrant ect. What red flag proponents are asking for is a way to eliminate those rights. So, let me ask you a question, why do you want a means to cancel out constitutional rights when there are ways to report any suspicious behavior?
I actually had no prior knowledge of these programs.  Knowing that, I would be wholeheartedly opposed to adding more laws. I guess media outlets just want to say "GOP opposes common sense gun reform" since nobody actually knows about these.  Thanks for enlightening me!
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #89 on: September 17, 2019, 11:23:02 AM »
Are you serious?

It is an open invitation for the left to take any minor complaint and turn it into a threat and a reason.
I'm more looking for specific examples.  Since our judicial system is not run by the Clintons, I just don't see it taking a minor complaint and turning it into a threat.
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