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Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« on: September 05, 2019, 01:28:23 AM »
Up until a week ago I was under the impression that red flag Laws had relatively bipartisan support, only to find that politicians like Dan Crenshaw are coming under fire for supporting red flag laws, even under the promise that due process is maintained.  To me, it seems pretty cut and dry that if someone threatens violence on another person, and it can be proven that they pose a temporary threat to society, then it is reasonable to take away their firearms for a few weeks. 
It is my understanding that the biggest concern among conservatives was the potential absence of due process (making someone an easier target by disarming them) but if something happens that would prevent them from passing a background check, I think it would be reasonable to retroactively apply it to previously purchased firearms.
What do you guys think?
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2019, 01:44:18 AM »
You are insane.  Of course its a Second Amendment infringement.
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2019, 01:48:00 AM »
Up until a week ago I was under the impression that red flag Laws had relatively bipartisan support, only to find that politicians like Dan Crenshaw are coming under fire for supporting red flag laws, even under the promise that due process is maintained.  To me, it seems pretty cut and dry that if someone threatens violence on another person, and it can be proven that they pose a temporary threat to society, then it is reasonable to take away their firearms for a few weeks. 
It is my understanding that the biggest concern among conservatives was the potential absence of due process (making someone an easier target by disarming them) but if something happens that would prevent them from passing a background check, I think it would be reasonable to retroactively apply it to previously purchased firearms.
What do you guys think?

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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2019, 04:36:43 AM »
This guy is obviously dangerous. We should take his guns and knives and bats and rocks. We should take his car and motorcycle if he has one. We should take away his family and friends for their protection. Maybe we should just lock him up because he  MIGHT  commit  a crime. Yes red flag laws are unconstitutional. All gun control is an infringement by definition therefore unconstitutional.

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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2019, 04:46:14 AM »
Up until a week ago I was under the impression that red flag Laws had relatively bipartisan support, only to find that politicians like Dan Crenshaw are coming under fire for supporting red flag laws, even under the promise that due process is maintained.  To me, it seems pretty cut and dry that if someone threatens violence on another person, and it can be proven that they pose a temporary threat to society, then it is reasonable to take away their firearms for a few weeks. 
It is my understanding that the biggest concern among conservatives was the potential absence of due process (making someone an easier target by disarming them) but if something happens that would prevent them from passing a background check, I think it would be reasonable to retroactively apply it to previously purchased firearms.
What do you guys think?

Red flag laws are a ruse by the left to confiscate guns. Just who would the arbiter be to determine if someone's guns should be taken away?
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2019, 04:56:20 AM »
Up until a week ago I was under the impression that red flag Laws had relatively bipartisan support, only to find that politicians like Dan Crenshaw are coming under fire for supporting red flag laws, even under the promise that due process is maintained.  To me, it seems pretty cut and dry that if someone threatens violence on another person, and it can be proven that they pose a temporary threat to society, then it is reasonable to take away their firearms for a few weeks. 
It is my understanding that the biggest concern among conservatives was the potential absence of due process (making someone an easier target by disarming them) but if something happens that would prevent them from passing a background check, I think it would be reasonable to retroactively apply it to previously purchased firearms.
What do you guys think?
Every law regarding guns is an infringement on the 2nd. Read it for yourself, "Shall not be infringed".
The better answer to the question of someone having arms is easily answered. If the law didn't impede on everyone's Right to bear Arms, then no one would have to worry about one rogue idiot because we could easily remove him from the gene pool.
This is what the Founders envisioned in a polite Society, and they were Right. What the Marxists want to do is whittle down the 2nd to the point owning a gun is damned near impossible and costly.

The Right way of thinking is to go back and undo ALL Fuckin Gun Laws and let society work out its problems like it used to.

I appreciate your POV, I really do, but you are approaching this from an emotional position. Just understand the Bill of Rights more clearly, it answers all the questions.
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2019, 05:13:48 AM »
@HuntinVorel maybe you can tell me where it says "except for"  in the 2nd amendment  or anywhere else in the Constitution or Bill of Rights.

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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2019, 06:40:31 AM »
I agree with the thread premise and would add what is the need for weapons of mass destruction on the streets and in the homes of Americans. I have to also wonder who has the money to use a machine gun for hunting?  In case they miss the first time they get two hundred more times? 

"Fourteen-year-old boys are not part of a well-regulated militia. Members of wacky religious cults are not part of a well-regulated militia. Permitting unregulated citizens to have guns is destroying the security of this free state."  Molly Ivins

"In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud--I repeat the word 'fraud'--on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all. "In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'--'the militia'--would be maintained for the defense of the state."

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95 are injured in an attack
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10 survive a suicide attempt
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90 are shot unintentionally
1 is killed by legal intervention
4 are shot by legal intervention
1 died but the intent was unknown
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2019, 07:09:57 AM »
I agree with the thread premise and would add what is the need for weapons of mass destruction on the streets and in the homes of Americans. I have to also wonder who has the money to use a machine gun for hunting?  In case they miss the first time they get two hundred more times? 

"Fourteen-year-old boys are not part of a well-regulated militia. Members of wacky religious cults are not part of a well-regulated militia. Permitting unregulated citizens to have guns is destroying the security of this free state."  Molly Ivins

"In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud--I repeat the word 'fraud'--on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all. "In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'--'the militia'--would be maintained for the defense of the state."

http://www.bradycampaign.org/key-gun-violence-statistics


Every day, 310 people are shot in the United States. Among those:

100 people are shot and killed
210 survive gun injuries
95 are injured in an attack
61 die from suicide
10 survive a suicide attempt
1 is killed unintentionally
90 are shot unintentionally
1 is killed by legal intervention
4 are shot by legal intervention
1 died but the intent was unknown
12 are shot but the intent was unknown

Answer (which you will not) what does "Shall not be infringed" mean....?
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2019, 07:30:34 AM »
I agree with the thread premise and would add what is the need for weapons of mass destruction on the streets and in the homes of Americans. I have to also wonder who has the money to use a machine gun for hunting?  In case they miss the first time they get two hundred more times? 

"Fourteen-year-old boys are not part of a well-regulated militia. Members of wacky religious cults are not part of a well-regulated militia. Permitting unregulated citizens to have guns is destroying the security of this free state."  Molly Ivins

"In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud--I repeat the word 'fraud'--on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all. "In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'--'the militia'--would be maintained for the defense of the state."

http://www.bradycampaign.org/key-gun-violence-statistics


Every day, 310 people are shot in the United States. Among those:

100 people are shot and killed
210 survive gun injuries
95 are injured in an attack
61 die from suicide
10 survive a suicide attempt
1 is killed unintentionally
90 are shot unintentionally
1 is killed by legal intervention
4 are shot by legal intervention
1 died but the intent was unknown
12 are shot but the intent was unknown
Why am I not surprised you'd pull worn out talking points, all of which have been proven to be based in less than half truths.
Take all of these stats, a majority of which are a direct result of leftists infringing on the 2nd Amendment Rights of the people.
Chicago alone makes up for nearly a third of all gun crime, while the rest all stem from leftist shithole cities, where the average person is forbidden the Right of self protection.

But the term arms were meant to allow the individual the Right to self preservation while fighting off an invading force, be it our own govt or invader.
Using a weapon of mass destruction served no purpose to the individual where innocent might become victim, that was left to coordinated attacks by companies of militia.
Though it is not written, this was common sense back in the day, something lacking in today's society, OBVIOUSLY.
Try some critical thought for a change instead of kneejerk emotional responses.
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2019, 10:06:05 AM »
I agree with the thread premise and would add what is the need for weapons of mass destruction on the streets and in the homes of Americans. I have to also wonder who has the money to use a machine gun for hunting?  In case they miss the first time they get two hundred more times?

There are no weapons of mass destruction on the street or in homes of Americans.
A lot of people have the money to use a machine gun for hunting.
Because of unconstitutional laws put it place 85 years ago it is extremely hard and very expensive to legally own a machine gun to begin with. It is also illegall to hunt with a machine gun. The 2nd amendment is not only about hunting.

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"Fourteen-year-old boys are not part of a well-regulated militia. Members of wacky religious cults are not part of a well-regulated militia. Permitting unregulated citizens to have guns is destroying the security of this free state."  Molly Ivins

Molly Ivins has no clue what she is talking about. 14yo boys cannot legally own a firearm. Being in a well regulated militia also has not a requirement for a person to exercise their right to keep and bear arms. It is the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.

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"In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud--I repeat the word 'fraud'--on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all. "In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'--'the militia'--would be maintained for the defense of the state."

Obviously Burger was wrong


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Every day, 310 people are shot in the United States. Among those:

100 people are shot and killed
210 survive gun injuries
95 are injured in an attack
61 die from suicide
10 survive a suicide attempt
1 is killed unintentionally
90 are shot unintentionally
1 is killed by legal intervention
4 are shot by legal intervention
1 died but the intent was unknown
12 are shot but the intent was unknown

And?

Just more typical asinine troll BS from midcan5

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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2019, 10:11:10 AM »
I agree with the thread premise and would add what is the need for weapons of mass destruction on the streets and in the homes of Americans. I have to also wonder who has the money to use a machine gun for hunting?  In case they miss the first time they get two hundred more times? 

"Fourteen-year-old boys are not part of a well-regulated militia. Members of wacky religious cults are not part of a well-regulated militia. Permitting unregulated citizens to have guns is destroying the security of this free state."  Molly Ivins

"In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud--I repeat the word 'fraud'--on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all. "In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'--'the militia'--would be maintained for the defense of the state."

http://www.bradycampaign.org/key-gun-violence-statistics


Every day, 310 people are shot in the United States. Among those:

100 people are shot and killed
210 survive gun injuries
95 are injured in an attack
61 die from suicide
10 survive a suicide attempt
1 is killed unintentionally
90 are shot unintentionally
1 is killed by legal intervention
4 are shot by legal intervention
1 died but the intent was unknown
12 are shot but the intent was unknown
again, the 2nd is not about hunting.

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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2019, 10:20:59 AM »
How many of those shootings are from gangs, criminals, lefties commiting crimes and terror versus law abbiding citizens protecting themselves and others?

You can't include suicide. If they really want to kill themselves, they will do that. The method or tool used is irrelevant.
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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2019, 10:42:38 AM »
How many of those shootings are from gangs, criminals, lefties commiting crimes and terror versus law abbiding citizens protecting themselves and others?

You can't include suicide. If they really want to kill themselves, they will do that. The method or tool used is irrelevant.

The method or tool used is always irrelevant.

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Re: Red Flag Laws are not a 2A infringement
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2019, 10:49:37 AM »

And somehow liberals do not see the 401 by accidents, 115 from opioids, 28 from drunk driving, 11 underage drinking, 8 teen texting, or the 1778 from abortions. So are the liberals really about lowering senseless deaths, or are they just after gun confiscation? Personally, this liberal bull sh-t is really getting old.

 

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