I don't believe we have the FACTS about this situation.

I think if we are polite and comply with police, there is little chance of an incident happening.

I don't believe a police officer just fired at someone without some provocation.  After that, I don't think we know what happened. 

I don't believe the public HAS A RIGHT to know the police officer's name, as he is now in danger.

I don't believe vandalism or looting is justified for ANY reason.

I think citizens should be allowed PEACEFUL demonstration, however, once it is not peaceful, other citizens need to be PROTECTED.

The press should be allowed to cover events (gee, I wish they would do more reporting on other topics) as long as they are not IN THE WAY. 

Criminal behavior does not help any cause along.  It makes YOU look worse.

DaisyJane   

Quote from: DaisyJane on August 14, 2014, 02:05:35 PM
I don't believe we have the FACTS about this situation.

We DO know an unarmed many was shot. That alone requires explanation.

QuoteI think if we are polite and comply with police, there is little chance of an incident happening.

Obviously you've missed all those videos - available online - where the police are beating the crap out of some poor prisoner.

QuoteI don't believe a police officer just fired at someone without some provocation.  After that, I don't think we know what happened.

Which is pretty much why police get away with murdering people - some people refuse to believe they would.

QuoteI don't believe the public HAS A RIGHT to know the police officer's name, as he is now in danger.

He is a PUBLIC SERVANT -all his actions should be open to public scrutiny - including his name. What do we have now - the secret police.

QuoteI don't believe vandalism or looting is justified for ANY reason.

Nor do I; but the majority of the people having tear gas and rubber bullets being fired at them were peaceful protestors. If you look at the videos of Ferguson you can see that many of the people running away from the police still have their protest signs in their hands. Last I checked they still had a First Amendment in this country - you know the part about - " interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances".

QuoteI think citizens should be allowed PEACEFUL demonstration, however, once it is not peaceful, other citizens need to be PROTECTED.

And you believe the police should decide when and where the people should be allowed to meet and protest. At what point does the Constitution give them this right?

QuoteThe press should be allowed to cover events (gee, I wish they would do more reporting on other topics) as long as they are not IN THE WAY.

And who decides this - the police. The police are public servants, any and all of their actions should be open to public scrutiny.

QuoteCriminal behavior does not help any cause along.  It makes YOU look worseDaisyJane   

Here's an idea stop conflating looters and thieves, with blacks peacefully protesting. I am awfully tired of this everyone black is a criminal bullshit. Get your head out of the 6 O'Clock news. That's the problem, their they are treating everyone like a criminal and we have entirely too many people - like you - who are incapable of realizing that our police aren't the friendly officer walking a beat anymore. They are far too eager to use all that crap the DOD gave them.

We know a LOT that I can't type with my tiny phone .
We know the mob kept anyone to get to the thugs body for hours.  We know blacks riot at the drop of a hat. We know rioting cannot be tolerated in a civilized society .

We know the National Guard needs to be called out and a curfew is needed. We know that RACIST calls to attack innocents and their businesses  because they are white, cannot be tolerated by these black racists.

Quote from: DaisyJane on August 14, 2014, 02:05:35 PM
I don't believe we have the FACTS about this situation.

I think if we are polite and comply with police, there is little chance of an incident happening.

I don't believe a police officer just fired at someone without some provocation.  After that, I don't think we know what happened. 

I don't believe the public HAS A RIGHT to know the police officer's name, as he is now in danger.

I don't believe vandalism or looting is justified for ANY reason.

I think citizens should be allowed PEACEFUL demonstration, however, once it is not peaceful, other citizens need to be PROTECTED.

The press should be allowed to cover events (gee, I wish they would do more reporting on other topics) as long as they are not IN THE WAY. 

Criminal behavior does not help any cause along.  It makes YOU look worse.

DaisyJane   

It's a great place to get a free stereo...

I'm moving this to MSM distraction, because that's all this is anymore, a distraction being fueled by the MSM to take the heat off the Ass Hole in Chief.

Plus I think this whole thing is organized.  The criminals causing damage and looting aren't even from Ferguson.  I don't buy this crap.

I've been in about ten riots during my career, most of them are escalated by instigators and professional agitators. (I include Jesse Jackass and Al 'Not so SHARP'ton in that catagory) Most of the people rioting just want an excuse to loot and steal.

The worst of Riots usually last about three days then 'Blow themselves out" when the idiots start to get tired or get drunk /high on the profits of their ill gotten gains.

Quote from: mdgiles on August 14, 2014, 03:11:53 PM
We DO know an unarmed many was shot. That alone requires explanation. Obviously you've missed all those videos - available online - where the police are beating the crap out of some poor prisoner. Which is pretty much why police get away with murdering people - some people refuse to believe they would. He is a PUBLIC SERVANT -all his actions should be open to public scrutiny - including his name. What do we have now - the secret police. Nor do I; but the majority of the people having tear gas and rubber bullets being fired at them were peaceful protestors. If you look at the videos of Ferguson you can see that many of the people running away from the police still have their protest signs in their hands. Last I checked they still had a First Amendment in this country - you know the part about - " interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances".And you believe the police should decide when and where the people should be allowed to meet and protest. At what point does the Constitution give them this right? And who decides this - the police. The police are public servants, any and all of their actions should be open to public scrutiny.Here's an idea stop conflating looters and thieves, with blacks peacefully protesting. I am awfully tired of this everyone black is a criminal bullshit. Get your head out of the 6 O'Clock news. That's the problem, their they are treating everyone like a criminal and we have entirely too many people - like you - who are incapable of realizing that our police aren't the friendly officer walking a beat anymore. They are far too eager to use all that crap the DOD gave them.

It's a difficult situation in Ferguson, Giles. The town's actual population is about 70% black. It is known that a high percentage of the rioters and looters are not from Ferguson, but come from greater St. Louis, which is about 50% black. I have yet to come across a single frame of video -- and yes, a lot of it is produced for the 6:00 news, but there it is -- from the protests/riots/demonstrations/lootings, etc. that show a single white face, except for some of the cops. I'm a veteran of the 1960s race riots, so the sight of angry blacks destroying the very businesses they depend on for food and such is perhaps less of a surprise than it ought to be -- I've seen it before, but I don't think I'll ever understand it. It reminds me sometimes of an infant smearing itself with its own shit to get attention.

Quote from: TboneAgain on August 14, 2014, 08:10:14 PM
It's a difficult situation in Ferguson, Giles. The town's actual population is about 70% black. It is known that a high percentage of the rioters and looters are not from Ferguson, but come from greater St. Louis, which is about 50% black. I have yet to come across a single frame of video -- and yes, a lot of it is produced for the 6:00 news, but there it is -- from the protests/riots/demonstrations/lootings, etc. that show a single white face, except for some of the cops. I'm a veteran of the 1960s race riots, so the sight of angry blacks destroying the very businesses they depend on for food and such is perhaps less of a surprise than it ought to be -- I've seen it before, but I don't think I'll ever understand it. It reminds me sometimes of an infant smearing itself with its own shit to get attention.

Exactly.  And they elected a white Republican mayor.  The criminals destroying Ferguson are not from Ferguson, as you said.   

Quote from: mdgiles on August 14, 2014, 03:11:53 PM
We DO know an unarmed many was shot. That alone requires explanation. Obviously you've missed all those videos - available online - where the police are beating the crap out of some poor prisoner. Which is pretty much why police get away with murdering people - some people refuse to believe they would. He is a PUBLIC SERVANT -all his actions should be open to public scrutiny - including his name. What do we have now - the secret police. Nor do I; but the majority of the people having tear gas and rubber bullets being fired at them were peaceful protestors. If you look at the videos of Ferguson you can see that many of the people running away from the police still have their protest signs in their hands. Last I checked they still had a First Amendment in this country - you know the part about - " interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances".And you believe the police should decide when and where the people should be allowed to meet and protest. At what point does the Constitution give them this right? And who decides this - the police. The police are public servants, any and all of their actions should be open to public scrutiny.Here's an idea stop conflating looters and thieves, with blacks peacefully protesting. I am awfully tired of this everyone black is a criminal bullshit. Get your head out of the 6 O'Clock news. That's the problem, their they are treating everyone like a criminal and we have entirely too many people - like you - who are incapable of realizing that our police aren't the friendly officer walking a beat anymore. They are far too eager to use all that crap the DOD gave them.



Pretty much all we know for sure is that a young man is dead.  Other than that, nothing is settled in my mind.  We have not heard the officers story.  And to be sure, he has one.  It makes no sense to me that an officer goes out in broad daylight, with others present, to just gun down an innocent teen.  My mind mostly operates on logic.  That is not logical to me.

Sure, his parents are upset, any parent would be.  But, it does not sway me.  Now we find out this young man assaulted a store operator and stole things right before the shooting.  That may suggest he wasnt the innocent portrayed.  Sure, taking of a life by the police has to be fully investigated.  They hold enormous power over we citizens.  Such demands enormous responsibility and accountability.

I choose to believe most police officers ( and i come from a family of police officers) are good people.  This particular officer probably wishes he was not on duty that day.  The fact that people still want to be police officers amazes me.

I will wait for other than mobs without all the information before i have an opinion.  I dont trust race baiting lawyers (crump) to be honest.  Looking for publicity and money off the backs of grieving parents is but one disgusting act i have seen.  Race baiters like don lemon and msnbc disgust me using this.                 
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Point is, i will wait for the facts.

Daisyjane

I'm pissed at the parents for raising a criminal.  Shame on them.

The one thing I don't like, is like the Trayvon Martin shooting, is treating Michael Brown as if he was 4 feet tall and 12 years old.  He was a big young man.

The other part is despite eye witness accounts, science has proven those witness can, and do, bring their personal bias into their accounts of what happened.

Quote from: taxed on August 15, 2014, 02:44:31 PM
I'm pissed at the parents for raising a criminal.  Shame on them.

So is the parents' lawyer a few hours ago, looking like Damn, now I gotta defend a 280-pound ignoramus who pushed an 150-pound shopkeeper around while blatantly stealing merchandise, clearly caught on camera... 

You could almost hear the hissing of deflated-air as he spoke.

Quote from: taxed on August 14, 2014, 08:18:05 PM
Exactly.  And they elected a white Republican mayor.  The criminals destroying Ferguson are not from Ferguson, as you said.

Yep, the mayor is white, as are 5 of the 6 city council members and the police chief and 50 out of 53 city cops. (Most of the cops seen in photos and videos of the ongoing mess in Ferguson are SWAT types deployed by St. Louis County.) Go figure.

One thing about Ferguson that I haven't seen reported anywhere -- probably because it doesn't fit into the rabble-rousing narrative the media like to follow in such situations -- is the fact that the town's racial makeup has changed very radically, very quickly in recent years. This from Wikipedia:

QuoteThe population of Ferguson grew rapidly during the first six decades of the twentieth century, from 1,015 people in 1900 to 22,149 people in 1960, an average growth rate of 5% per year. Since 1960 the population has remained nearly constant. The racial composition of Ferguson has shifted since 1990, however. In 1990, residents of Ferguson who were identified in the U.S. Census as White comprised 73.8% of the total, while those identified as Black made up 25.1%.[22] (The remainder, 1.1%, identified with other racial categories.) In the 2000 census, 44.7% were White and 52.4% were African American. In the 2010 census, 29.3% were White and 67.4% were African American. [Emphasis mine.]

So in the space of just twenty years, Ferguson went from being nearly 3/4 white to being nearly 70% black. Even in this famously post-racial age (yeah, right), that's bound to create something of a powder keg, especially when city administration is rather slow to reflect the new demographic profile of the city.

Quote from: TboneAgain on August 15, 2014, 03:35:17 PM
Yep, the mayor is white, as are 5 of the 6 city council members and the police chief and 50 out of 53 city cops. (Most of the cops seen in photos and videos of the ongoing mess in Ferguson are SWAT types deployed by St. Louis County.) Go figure.

One thing about Ferguson that I haven't seen reported anywhere -- probably because it doesn't fit into the rabble-rousing narrative the media like to follow in such situations -- is the fact that the town's racial makeup has changed very radically, very quickly in recent years. This from Wikipedia:

So in the space of just twenty years, Ferguson went from being nearly 3/4 white to being nearly 70% black. Even in this famously post-racial age (yeah, right), that's bound to create something of a powder keg, especially when city administration is rather slow to reflect the new demographic profile of the city.

Lovely.  So the criminal blacks are invading Ferguson and destroying the property of normal blacks.