Rand Paul seeks broader appeal

Started by Solar, September 27, 2014, 07:13:09 AM

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Solar

Not really a Paul fan, but it's this political strategy of his, an attempt at political balance in playing all corners of the field, from aligning with McConnel and keeping the establishment RINO off his back, to patronizing the Libertarians/TEA, giving him a broader appeal across the board.
It could be political genius, or suicide, but either way, it's kept him from becoming a target on the political battle field thus far.

QuoteSen. Rand Paul wanted to eliminate aid to Israel. Now he doesn't. He wanted to scrap the Medicare system. Now he's not sure.

He didn't like the idea of a border fence — it was expensive, and it reminded him of the Berlin Wall. Now he wants two fences, one behind the other.

And what about same-sex marriage? Paul's position — such marriages are morally wrong, but Republicans should stop obsessing about them — seems so muddled that an Iowa pastor recently confronted him in frustration.

"With all due respect, that sounds very retreatist of you," minister Michael Demastus said he told Paul (R-Ky.) after the senator explained his position during a stop in Des Moines.

Paul has built a reputation as a libertarian ideologue, a Washington outsider guided by a rigid devotion to principle. But his policy vision is, in fact, a work in progress. While he has maintained his core support for cutting spending and protecting Americans' privacy rights, Paul has shaded, changed or dropped some of the ideas that he espoused as a Libertarian candidate and in his confrontational early days as a senator.

As the prospect of a 2016 presidential bid looms larger, Paul is making it clear that he did not come to Washington to be a purist like his father, former congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex.).

He came to be a politician, like everybody else.

This transformation carries enormous risk. As Rand Paul seeks to broaden his appeal, he may damage his image as an authentic non-politician who is unafraid to stand up for his beliefs.

"The question is, is this guy a political genius or not?" said John Samples, a vice president at the libertarian Cato Institute. "Can he pull this off?"

In Samples's view, Paul wants to win over as many voters as he can "without selling out."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/shifting-his-views-rand-paul-seeks-broader-appeal--but-may-risk-his-outsider-image/2014/09/14/c89105c8-3869-11e4-bdfb-de4104544a37_story.html
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I do not like his foreign policy and for all intents and purposes he is considered a Libertarian.  However, he does seem to adhere to the Constitution and though in my eyes he is not a conservative, but I do not consider him a RINO.  I think with Rand Paul; what you see is what you get. The GOP establishment is so out of touch that they consider him a conservative. They are against him as they absolutely hated his father ... so ... that tells you that he would be better than Bush or Christie and the Dems.

For whatever reason, the Dems sure are focusing on him; either they are scared to death that he could beat them or they think he doesn't have a chance and hope that he is the GOP candidate.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Rand_Paul.htm
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Quote from: suzziY on September 27, 2014, 12:43:34 PM
I do not like his foreign policy and for all intents and purposes he is considered a Libertarian.  However, he does seem to adhere to the Constitution and though in my eyes he is not a conservative, but I do not consider him a RINO.  I think with Rand Paul; what you see is what you get. The GOP establishment is so out of touch that they consider him a conservative. They are against him as they absolutely hated his father ... so ... that tells you that he would be better than Bush or Christie and the Dems.

For whatever reason, the Dems sure are focusing on him; either they are scared to death that he could beat them or they think he doesn't have a chance and hope that he is the GOP candidate.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Rand_Paul.htm

I am not on the Paul bandwagon because I don't believe the acorns fall too far from the tree. He is smart enough to see his father's foreign policy positions did not play well and he is trying to move another way. I do believe he is a true advocate for the Constitution and not a RINO.
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cjsgoodnykman49

                                Rand Paul is a fool/isolationist coward that....if he were to get the nomination in 2016....which is the left's absolute dream possibility.....would cause the republican electorate to stay home in massive numbers.

Solar

Quote from: cjsgoodnykman49 on September 27, 2014, 02:34:36 PM
                                Rand Paul is a fool/isolationist coward that....if he were to get the nomination in 2016....which is the left's absolute dream possibility.....would cause the republican electorate to stay home in massive numbers.
I believe you are absolutely wrong. I's rather have a Rand, than anything the RINO shit out.
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carlb

"NOT another Rand Paul thread!"

Sorry, I just had to throw that in.  :lol:

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Quote from: carlb on September 27, 2014, 03:49:12 PM
"NOT another Rand Paul thread!"

Sorry, I just had to throw that in.  :lol:

:lol:... suzziY set me straight on why she started the second one.  She actually baited washington into maniacally posting in that thread, and he was subsequently banished from the site while fully engaged.

AndyJackson

Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2014, 02:42:56 PM
I believe you are absolutely wrong. I's rather have a Rand, than anything the RINO shit out.
Yeah, sort of foolish to claim that Paul is the left's dream.

Though I don't like his feints & dodges that seem like Rubio Christie and Jeb.......he and his father are pretty good constitutionalists, sometimes being supra-constitutional with the isolationism and massive budget slash.

But I'd rather have that any day than the continuing trillion dollar deficits / debts, for either democrat socialism-welfare-NWO or RINO NWO-Rockefeller-economy.

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Quote from: AndyJackson on September 27, 2014, 05:38:33 PM
Yeah, sort of foolish to claim that Paul is the left's dream.

Though I don't like his feints & dodges that seem like Rubio Christie and Jeb.......he and his father are pretty good constitutionalists, sometimes being supra-constitutional with the isolationism and massive budget slash.

But I'd rather have that any day than the continuing trillion dollar deficits / debts, for either democrat socialism-welfare-NWO or RINO NWO-Rockefeller-economy.

I agree.  However as far as isolationism, perhaps that wouldn't be such a bad thing as I would think that would definitely mean securing our borders and dealing with the illegals within our country, but I'm not so sure though how that would impact foreign policy ... I don't see that we'd just be able to pack up and leave the Middle East.

As for massive budget slashes ... I think there would not only be a budget, but you'd see government agencies being reigned in if not eliminated and those on the government "dole" would be up in arms.  I think in time you would see tax reform and abolishment of the IRS and perhaps in time we'd go back to the gold standard.

With that being said, I think there are a lot of positive qualities that Rand Paul would bring to the oval office including getting rid of some of the country club GOP establishment; I'm just uneasy with his foreign policy.  I really think he would be great for our country as far as the economy and getting back to our core principles, etc., but I just don't see him being able to pull us out of the gutter and leading us to once again becoming a "superpower" and revered around the globe.
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AndyJackson

I think Rand is the natural political progression from Ron.

He and his father obviously are the same philosophically.....but Rand has seen the successful efforts to marginalize and spoof his father.  So, he plays the political game where he learned from his father's experiences.

Ron - too philosophically pure to win; Rand - refining the approach toward getting elected.

God Bless him, and hopefully it works.

Solar

Quote from: AndyJackson on September 27, 2014, 06:17:01 PM
I think Rand is the natural political progression from Ron.

He and his father obviously are the same philosophically.....but Rand has seen the successful efforts to marginalize and spoof his father.  So, he plays the political game where he learned from his father's experiences.

Ron - too philosophically pure to win; Rand - refining the approach toward getting elected.

God Bless him, and hopefully it works.






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Rand Paul's "isolationist" policies would change the moment he stepped into the Oval Office and began getting security briefs.

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Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 27, 2014, 08:12:33 PM
Rand Paul's "isolationist" policies would change the moment he stepped into the Oval Office and began getting security briefs.
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                     Did the briefings end Obama's isolationist stance?  T

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Quote from: cjsgoodnykman49 on September 28, 2014, 05:12:23 AM
                     Did the briefings end Obama's isolationist stance?  T
He's still isolationist when it comes to avoiding anything that stops the jihad / caliphate.  He will carefully approve only missions that are a waste of time, assets, and American lives.

His only non-isolationist moment was a juicy photo-op, "make me look like Patton", assassination of fellow muslim OBL.  Sorta like Hitler killing is own whenever it it solidified his power.