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Re: RAND PAUL for 2016??
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2012, 06:25:32 AM »
I love how conservatives talk so high and mighty about "illegals" taking "our" jobs.

They never mention the underlying problem- the welfare system.

If not for the welfare system illegal immigration would be a non-issue, except for the racists.

But welfare is not the source of conservative indignation regarding immigration. In fact, many would become just as indignant, if not more, if some proposed ending these transfer payments.

And the idea that immigration is bad for the economy is simply ignorance.

First off, when a person or a family moves into a new place, they have to purchase the services and goods made by others in this area in order to survive.

So the addition of more mouths to feed creates jobs as there are more needs to fill.

Jobs are not static.
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Re: RAND PAUL for 2016??
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2012, 06:40:29 AM »
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I love how conservatives talk so high and mighty about "illegals" taking "our" jobs.

They never mention the underlying problem- the welfare system.

No. Conservatives never talk about welfare! Damn those Conservatives. 

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If not for the welfare system illegal immigration would be a non-issue, except for the racists.

And there it is.  Cries of "RACISM!"  are the last refuge of Libs who can't win an argument.

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Re: RAND PAUL for 2016??
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2012, 06:50:25 AM »
No. Conservatives never talk about welfare! Damn those Conservatives. 

And there it is.  Cries of "RACISM!"  are the last refuge of Libs who can't win an argument.

Can't win an argument!?

I am doing good so far.. you haven't even tried to mount a defense of the point of view I am attacking.

It must already have been mortally wounded, in my first post!

Funny that you write off my words as those of a "liberal."

Again you show unfamiliarity with political designations.

Tell us again about how anarchist libertarians are leftists and the founders were "conservatives!" haha
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Re: RAND PAUL for 2016??
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2012, 06:54:35 AM »
I been hearing alot of chatter on the internet about US SENATOR RAND PAUL running for the wh in 2016. i don't know that much about him yet but will read up more about him. what is the forum's opinion on him if any? thank you

If he runs, I will support and vote for him. Any of the other PUB Clowns, and I will vote Constitution Party.
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Re: RAND PAUL for 2016??
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2012, 07:02:31 AM »
If he runs, I will support and vote for him. Any of the other PUB Clowns, and I will vote Constitution Party.
Same here, Rand is walking a fine line with the establishment, he can't go against the grain too much for risk of alienation of the party, nor does he want to loo like one of them.
I will go with my gut instincts and the fact he was raised by Ron and is very close to his father.
I think Rand is more of a pragmatist than dad.
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Re: RAND PAUL for 2016??
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2012, 07:09:15 AM »
Solar--for your info--i knew about Rand Paul's positions--i just wanted to get some of the other forum members opinions on him.thank you :thumbup:

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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2012, 07:22:55 AM »
Solar--for your info--i knew about Rand Paul's positions--i just wanted to get some of the other forum members opinions on him.thank you :thumbup:
You're welcome BD, it's what sets us apart from other forums, we do not settle for second hand info like the libs do.
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Re: RAND PAUL for 2016??
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2012, 08:06:55 AM »
Yawn and K, do me a favor, use the full quote feature when responding to another poster, so the rest of us don't have to hunt for the person being quoted.
Thanks.

Good point. It bugs me when other people do it. It makes sense that others don't want to go hunting either. :biggrin:

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Re: RAND PAUL for 2016??
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2012, 02:17:40 PM »
I think he has a lot on the ball, I like the fact he is standing tall over the tax issue, I liked it when he embarassed Obamao by publicly introducing a bill to get the Pakistani Doctor who gave up UBL out of jail because of the administrations unforgivable outing of him.

The down side is the pot and the fact he is rather young and inexperienced. I don't like the stance on immigration either. I suppose I can overlook those things

The BIG downside is he is a white male.....Like I said before we better run a non white or a female if we want to recapture the WH in 2016....I can bet you my last dollar that HILLARY is going to be the Dem pick and you better have your act together to go against her.

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Re: RAND PAUL for 2016??
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2012, 02:35:04 PM »
I think he has a lot on the ball, I like the fact he is standing tall over the tax issue, I liked it when he embarassed Obamao by publicly introducing a bill to get the Pakistani Doctor who gave up UBL out of jail because of the administrations unforgivable outing of him.

The down side is the pot and the fact he is rather young and inexperienced. I don't like the stance on immigration either. I suppose I can overlook those things

The BIG downside is he is a white male.....Like I said before we better run a non white or a female if we want to recapture the WH in 2016....I can bet you my last dollar that HILLARY is going to be the Dem pick and you better have your act together to go against her.


I think Susanna Martinez might be one to watch.  She has a conservative viewpoint, I really enjoyed listening to her at the RNc convention.  I found her very likeable, not sure what her stance is on Illegal immigration.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susana_Martinez

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« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2012, 03:02:19 PM »
I'm actually a fan (or at least was) of Rand Paul and Marco Rubio.  I've been disappointed the last couple weeks by their positions on a few issues.  George Bush is another with his recent comments about ILLEGAL aliens--he, and the Libs, call them simply "immigrants."  They are not. They are invaders and colonizers.

There are 3 issues that are deal breakers to me.  If the candidate comes out as an active supporter of any of these, they WILL NOT get my vote, regardless of the outcome.

1) Abortion - they better not be active supporters of abortion "rights"
2) ILLEGAL Immigration - If they talk about "Pathways to citizenship" or "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" they won't get my vote
3) Redefining Marriage - It has a definition. If they advocate changing that, they won't get my vote.

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“As our nation debates the proper course of action on immigration reform, I hope we do so with a benevolent spirit and keep in mind the contributions of immigrants.”

Those contributions include “new skills and new ideas,” he said, adding that immigrants “fill a critical gap in our labor market. Source


BS!!  These are not IMMIGRANTS.  They bring NO skills and are a drain on the Taxpayer.  Democrats support it for cheap votes and Repubs support it for cheap labor.  The People are the losers.

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Re: RAND PAUL for 2016??
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2012, 03:02:20 PM »
I think Susanna Martinez might be one to watch.  She has a conservative viewpoint, I really enjoyed listening to her at the RNc convention.  I found her very likeable, not sure what her stance is on Illegal immigration.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susana_Martinez


Yeah I like her...She comes from a family of Cops and ran a security company so we'd have a lot in common... :wink:

She is not in favor of  the Amnesty and does support immigration reform.

What I like about her is how she straightened out the deficet in her state by such austerity measures as taking away perks for Govt employee's phones, cars, slush funds etc.

If they are gonna run Hillary...we better run a Female.

Plus I'd like to see a (Conservative) Female Prez

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Re: RAND PAUL for 2016??
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2012, 03:16:11 PM »
I'm actually a fan (or at least was) of Rand Paul and Marco Rubio.  I've been disappointed the last couple weeks by their positions on a few issues.  George Bush is another with his recent comments about ILLEGAL aliens--he, and the Libs, call them simply "immigrants."  They are not. They are invaders and colonizers.

There are 3 issues that are deal breakers to me.  If the candidate comes out as an active supporter of any of these, they WILL NOT get my vote, regardless of the outcome.

1) Abortion - they better not be active supporters of abortion "rights"
2) ILLEGAL Immigration - If they talk about "Pathways to citizenship" or "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" they won't get my vote
3) Redefining Marriage - It has a definition. If they advocate changing that, they won't get my vote.

BS!!  These are not IMMIGRANTS.  They bring NO skills and are a drain on the Taxpayer.  Democrats support it for cheap votes and Repubs support it for cheap labor.  The People are the losers.

Did you vote for Romney? At one time or another, depending on the day, hour, minute, and place, he has supported everyone of your deal breakers.
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Re: RAND PAUL for 2016??
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2012, 03:27:04 PM »
Yes. I voted. And I was happy to vote for Romney.   Did you even vote?

Here's the difference. I believe Romney is an HONEST man.  I won't rehash all the arguments here.  I BELIEVE his stance on abortion and gay shacking up, and ILLEGAL Invasion.

He wasn't very bold, but he was bold on those issues. I respect him for taking a stance that so many,--even here say may have cost him the election.

I also KNOW that Rubio and Paul are honest men.  But they took a stand as Conservatives for a position that's a deal breaker for me.  They're great where they're at, but unless they have an awakening in the next four years and they can convince me of it, neither would get my vote because of their stance on those issues.

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« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2012, 03:55:06 PM »
Yes. I voted. And I was happy to vote for Romney.   Did you even vote?

Here's the difference. I believe Romney is an HONEST man.  I won't rehash all the arguments here.  I BELIEVE his stance on abortion and gay shacking up, and ILLEGAL Invasion.

My point is it changed with the wind over the years. At heart he is a liberal, and always has been.

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