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Re: Rambling Thoughts?
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2019, 04:29:42 PM »
Isn't there a book that fully describes how Liberals would destroy from within?

"Paved With Good Intentions"?
Social Media are multi-national billion dollar corporations with foreign investors that are going unchecked with the power to effect our election process.

"Book burnings" have evolved into "de-plat forming". Its the same principles behind both: to eliminate accessible knowledge.

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« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2019, 04:15:19 AM »
I think this question is tied in with your question: when did the news become a business and when did the media decide it needed or wanted to decide how the country thinks? I remember the Kennedy/ Nixon debates where the visual was as important as the message, but what I came away with is that little box with its rolling screen had become a mainstay in the living room. I look at today where obama/ hillary received so much free air time and how the media reminds me of past underground newspapers which were not as far left as todays dims. Personally, t.v. today is not worth watching, and I don't. Maybe if the rolling screen would make a come back and bring some of those old shows with it...........



You did say rambling :lol:

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« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2019, 04:37:10 AM »
I think this question is tied in with your question: when did the news become a business and when did the media decide it needed or wanted to decide how the country thinks? I remember the Kennedy/ Nixon debates where the visual was as important as the message, but what I came away with is that little box with its rolling screen had become a mainstay in the living room. I look at today where obama/ hillary received so much free air time and how the media reminds me of past underground newspapers which were not as far left as todays dims. Personally, t.v. today is not worth watching, and I don't. Maybe if the rolling screen would make a come back and bring some of those old shows with it...........



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I remember the good old day before TV we all listening to the news and many good radio shows.   There was only one radio in the whole house and it was in the living room by my Grandpa's or dad's chair.
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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2019, 04:44:13 AM »

I remember the good old day before TV we all listening to the news and many good radio shows.   There was only one radio in the whole house and it was in the living room by my Grandpa's or dad's chair.
I remember my grandpa's, that was back when radio's were built in wood not plastic. Wish I still had it.

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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2019, 07:55:25 AM »
I think this question is tied in with your question: when did the news become a business and when did the media decide it needed or wanted to decide how the country thinks? I remember the Kennedy/ Nixon debates where the visual was as important as the message, but what I came away with is that little box with its rolling screen had become a mainstay in the living room. I look at today where obama/ hillary received so much free air time and how the media reminds me of past underground newspapers which were not as far left as todays dims. Personally, t.v. today is not worth watching, and I don't. Maybe if the rolling screen would make a come back and bring some of those old shows with it...........



You did say rambling :lol:
You make a lot of great sense though. I remember the radio because TV was too expensive to own for most families,, so radio was the go to for news and entertainment.
As a kid I have fond memories of the smell of Coffee and the CNS morning news intro blasting from the living room as dad readied for work.
The news was mildly sensational at the time, but equally subdued, not like the War of The Worlds broadcast, no, it was a half hour of everything you needed to know about the world that was important, anyway, after Govt filters that is.
The left had already infiltrated media and was only getting started, but they didn't hate the country, anyway they didn't let on at the time.
But within a decade all that was changing with TV as the new medium and they knew they had the perfect vessel to change culture. LBJ starts a war, and the other half of the DNC attacks America as the evil empire, whether it was planned or an opportunity, it divided the nation and the leftists capitalized on it, (See Walter Cronkite).

All the while the GOP was playing tag and the Dim party was it, and the GOP kept running away from what was actually happening. Now we have a party half infected with leftists just like the DNC was in the late 50s, but the difference in then and now, is there is true resistance against the Marxists in both party's.
I sooo miss simpler times, when people simply lived their lives without the PC filter and everything wasn't political. This is what the youth don't realize, the left made everything political, so as to create a wedge in culture.
Remember when "Anyone over 30 was the enemy"?
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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2019, 11:52:59 AM »

I remember the good old day before TV we all listening to the news and many good radio shows.   There was only one radio in the whole house and it was in the living room by my Grandpa's or dad's chair.
We still have a couple, RCA 281 is a beautiful piece of furniture.

Still sounds great, that rich warm sound fills the house, unlike the newer digital crap.
When it's turned on, it can be heard, quite well, from any room, the sound penetrates the walls - without being overly loud.[quote

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I think this question is tied in with your question: when did the news become a business and when did the media decide it needed or wanted to decide how the country thinks?
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Personally, t.v. today is not worth watching, and I don't. Maybe if the rolling screen would make a come back and bring some of those old shows with it...........
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Look back to some of Benjamin Franklin's articles - not much has changed in "news" bias.   IMO, when you have a lot of CHOICES, then it seems there is bias.   Otherwise, it sounds like everyone is happily in "agreement" - completely backwards!

We don't have a TV, but, do watch old movies from the 1930-50's, many B&W and find they actually have a story line, dialogue and engage the brain a little more than the blunt action of the stuff produced since 1960 on.   We also like the old time radio shows, you can work while you listen.

Even more disturbing than what the MSM puts out, what some individuals actually post in the news blogs... no political spectrum lacks these anarchist types, IMO.  Over the weekend, one lady posted a video, advocating lawlessness over her Taxes, claiming some higher authority (something like that).   And... then came the calls for taking up arms - rather than organizing to use the political process for change in tax law.  People are free to say anything - so what - but, totally ignoring the political process for 4 decades, and *suddenly* one morning, "This is robbery!  We need to rebel!  Take up arms and march on DC!... because the taxpayer dollars fund Planned Parenthood..."   If these characters actually *did* what they advocate, it'd be their very quick end.  "It's a Republic, if you can keep it", there is a process worth following.

IMO the real revolution, a public forum for discussion of ideas - is places like THIS site.  One way to know Constitutional Conservatives are on the right side - the other side, with no answer, calls for censure, controls, pressure to shut down opposing outlets.
I'm not a very well read historian.  But, I can't see when there was a time when Americans weren't facing conflict, contentious conversations and flat out arguments with each other over the nature and direction the country was headed.  The revolution was begun by a minority, same with the Civil war, and by the time of the 1st WW, newspapers were in wide circulation and opinion pieces were just as scathing as ever.   What has changed?   

American history started long before me, that was my first mistake, thinking, "It's never, ever been this way before."
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Re: Rambling Thoughts?
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2019, 06:38:52 AM »
Greedy politicians!
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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2019, 06:49:40 AM »
I graduated high school in 1969 and in 1970 I attended college.  I remember the colleges had a whole lot of Chairman Mao, Fidel Castro and Che Gueverra sympathy and there was much distrust and hatred of Nixon and our government.  Many of those who were at college then, went on to become grade school & college teachers, as well as populated the media and government. Others, got a job with had nothing to do with politics and created a family and put away all the foolish things we had been spoon fed by radical teachers.

One of the unintented consequences of the world becoming 'wired' and 24 hour digital broadcasting has been that people are not left alone to figure out life for themselves.  It is the same propaganda that kids get when they leave home and go to college, but it's non stop and now comes from every media source.

In spite of the magnitude of this problem, I still believe in certain constant truths.  Many of these come straight from scripture, such as; "when I was I child I thought as a child, but when I grew to be a man, I put aside my childish ways".  It's very emotionally immature for individuals to act purely upon their emotions.  Most rational, mature individuals learn from life that it is better to control one's emotions and at least make an effort to allow reason and an interpretation of facts, determine one's actions.  Not all Liberals are emotionally immature. Alan Dershowitz is a good example of this. However, the Far Left have LEFT the Liberal Reason Depot a long time ago. They are on a sugar high fueled by 24/7 non-stop Far Left Propaganda.
Soo true, libs are children, emotional baskets of waste that react like Pavlov's dogs on command, we see it daily how the media has brainwashed them to overreact when they hear "Trump", thoughts of evil racist embed like arrows in their blank slates minds.
I get the same genuine hate when I hear of someones abusing puppies, you know, a real evil, but these libs are somehow as emotionally involved and can't separate the image they've created in their minds to see reality.
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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2019, 06:49:45 AM »
We still have a couple, RCA 281 is a beautiful piece of furniture.

Still sounds great, that rich warm sound fills the house, unlike the newer digital crap.
When it's turned on, it can be heard, quite well, from any room, the sound penetrates the walls - without being overly loud.
Look back to some of Benjamin Franklin's articles - not much has changed in "news" bias.   IMO, when you have a lot of CHOICES, then it seems there is bias.   Otherwise, it sounds like everyone is happily in "agreement" - completely backwards!

We don't have a TV, but, do watch old movies from the 1930-50's, many B&W and find they actually have a story line, dialogue and engage the brain a little more than the blunt action of the stuff produced since 1960 on.   We also like the old time radio shows, you can work while you listen.

Even more disturbing than what the MSM puts out, what some individuals actually post in the news blogs... no political spectrum lacks these anarchist types, IMO.  Over the weekend, one lady posted a video, advocating lawlessness over her Taxes, claiming some higher authority (something like that).   And... then came the calls for taking up arms - rather than organizing to use the political process for change in tax law.  People are free to say anything - so what - but, totally ignoring the political process for 4 decades, and *suddenly* one morning, "This is robbery!  We need to rebel!  Take up arms and march on DC!... because the taxpayer dollars fund Planned Parenthood..."   If these characters actually *did* what they advocate, it'd be their very quick end.  "It's a Republic, if you can keep it", there is a process worth following.

IMO the real revolution, a public forum for discussion of ideas - is places like THIS site.  One way to know Constitutional Conservatives are on the right side - the other side, with no answer, calls for censure, controls, pressure to shut down opposing outlets.
I'm not a very well read historian.  But, I can't see when there was a time when Americans weren't facing conflict, contentious conversations and flat out arguments with each other over the nature and direction the country was headed.  The revolution was begun by a minority, same with the Civil war, and by the time of the 1st WW, newspapers were in wide circulation and opinion pieces were just as scathing as ever.   What has changed?   

American history started long before me, that was my first mistake, thinking, "It's never, ever been this way before."
More care and skill went into that cabinet than the lsm puts into their programing today.

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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2019, 06:55:29 AM »
For me it was the day J.F.K. was assassinated. L.b.j. was a dirty politician when he was just a local, but I thought he was the only one, he became a dirty president. Up until he hit the national scene, I had respect for congress and our government. I'm not saying he is to blame for what is going on today, that could be debated though, but he did open my eyes. When the press tried to make him out to be a good president, I saw how crooked they were too. It didn't help he was followed by nixon, and later carter. During those years, congress went to hell. It's a minor miracle we have as many great kids as we do have in this country when you consider so many who are blessed to run this country should be behind bars.
There's a lot of truth in what you say and I agree, it was his policies that destroyed the nuclear black family. This had a huge impact on our culture, from fatherless children, to pants down around your knees, the left fed and pushed this crap off as the next fad, knowing full well the destructive results that would follow.
It was LBJ that lit the fire when he sent people from the projects out to Ca to live off the tax payer. The rest is history.
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« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2019, 07:06:49 AM »
My two cents worth.

There have always been pockets across the country where communists and the hate America first crowd have gathered... in the past, just a few times they've risen to public interest - largely *timing*.  The right message for the state of affairs.

Consider WW1, we were neutral and intended to stay that way, demonstrations in the streets, demands for neutrality ... but, were sucked in anyways (making no other comments)
WW2 ... could be debated at length, whether or not Japan would have attacked us, why and for what ultimate purpose ... but, we had to fight - and the leftist protesters in the streets were all but silenced.
Korean war, Viet Nam war, Iraq war ... there has always been Communists trying to take advantage of the country, they lie in wait, till the timing is ripe for action.

The Globalists, would play any, or both sides, enriching themselves, without any ties to any political system, if they could remain viable.

Since I'm originally from the midwest, Madison & Milwaukee - and my parents worked in the Barry Goldwater campaign, they were really odd-balls among the sea of radical liberals, dead-head libertarians, socialists and communists.  From the early '60s, what we know as the Hate America First groups, they've always been here.   What's constantly changing, the next generation growing up, and flip-flopping from one to the other - my generation (and friends) all became America loving Conservatives, Constitutional loving Conservatives.  40 years ago - we were either libertarians or moderate socialists.  We sang "This land is your land" - that great communist hymn with enthusiasm - I grew up in one of those "pockets", unlike most Americans.

"Hoofer... what happened, you were really out-there, man.  I gave up on you, thought you'd never, ever change!"

Like living in a communist country, every news channel on TV & Radio had the same message.  The most radical message we heard was Milton Fredman interviewed by Phil Donohue... and considered him a greedy SOB Capitalist.   Rush Limbaugh came along, and where there was no humor (other than snarky sarcasm of SNL or generally negative crap), we started to LAUGH, it was OK poke fun at... >gasp< ourselves?  Remember, this is Madison, WI and Milwaukee, WI., politically Socialist - like Berkley of the Midwest.  A Conservative would get a radio slot and the station would be slammed with mail demanding he/she be off-the-air.

I'm not the battle-lines-have-been-drawn, so go arm yourself kinda guy, nope, not when we can "convert" the other side to OUR side.

Why is there so much division? 

a.  Because the Marxist left thought they had it made with Obama, overreached and blew it.
A lot of people just 'went along' like dumb sheep... "well, I guess our best days are behind us" ... the Left was big gains, the entire country was dramatically moving left, it seemed... diminished hope.

b.  President Donald Trump (libs hate that), won with a Patriotic message, of hope, prosperity, independence, less government, respect, etc., drawing some of the electorate back, but giving VOICE to frustrated Conservatives.  It almost looked like the Left's gains were a Hopey / Changey mirage.  Mueller turning up nothing & Clapper admitting they were SPYING has the left pulling their hair out - the MSM has been left decimated in viewership.   Why would anyone trust them, two years of lying?

c.  I doubt anyone really wanted Hillary Clinton, other than the MSM, and the DC leftists Obama implanted to facilitate a complete reconstruction of our country.  Obama said, "We are the ones we were waiting for!" - a quote, right out of New Age & Globalist writings.
 Donald Trump has taken away the talking points of the left, and beats them at their own game, Hillary was an easy win, but, who expected President Trump (libs hate that) to carry out his agenda with this kind of success!?

From here, the left has no warrior for 2020, nothing positive to run on, primal screams & pussy protests get negative attention, "What the hell is wrong with those people, Mildred?"   Even more infuriating, they pumped millions into democrat campaigns - and still lost.

IMO, the division is one the left created (well, widened), we haven't moved.
   Fortunately for us, people are seeing it for what it's really worth, divide and conquer America.  Leftist have always been with us, and always will.  Trump had the right message, and it's energizing a whole new generation of the electorate.  I personally... was one of those, slow to get on the Trump Train, "I'm patient, he's better than Hillary, let's see what he does.."  Now I'm just amazed how much he's done, while under investigation, his agenda has been rolling right along.  the Left is screaming because they're losing ground.
That's a good point, we as Conservatives haven't moved, we have always believed in the Founding Principles and know that any changes to our Constitution would be like pulling a single thread on the fabric of life.
They're working hard on the First, be it removing God to penalizing those that speak his name, or the fact they need o censor us on social media, which in truth doesn't effect us in the slightest, only bring awareness to what we have to say.

No, we haven't moved, the Right is packed full of like minded patriots, while the left is an infected boil full of self made victim groups that hate one another.
Remember when the East Coast Jews used to lock step vote Dim? Now look what happened, the party is so full of hate, they're showing their true antisemitic colors.
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« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2019, 07:17:56 AM »
In a nutshell....The Vietnam war....There was a great deal of money spent by Enemy countries, Russia, China, Cuba to promote "revolution", this is where the weathermen and the black panthers and a host of other radical Marxist groups got started. They took dissent over the war and turned it into the classic "revolution"....except...it didn't work, there was no mass uprising by the "downtrodden" and the middle class. We actually had it pretty good comparitivly.

So many stealth Commie Politicians, they used their influence to hunder themilitary duing the war so that we were assured a loss.  That no good rotten SOB drunk Kennedy voted against Bomb runs to the north this also vicariously impacted close air support all through the late 60's and into the 70's. This led to a lot of America GI's dying because there was no air support. I get so mad about it, even now.

Anyhow all the little bolsheviks decided the time wasn;t right for armed revolution back in the early 70's, they decided to quietly try another strategy....take over the coutry by ot firing a shot.....enter Barack Obama and half a hundred other Pols up on Capitol hill. When I returned from my overseas tour I could feel the change, the outright hostility, I never got spit on or called baby killer, but I got the looks, everybody knew who you were with that Army Buzz cut.

You ask for a definitive change? I felt it, seriously, it was whe Clinton got elected, working in Washington DC I noticed it People were more hostile to one another it seemed, almost overight. There was a increasing mood about everyone.
Previouly, if you were a democrat or a republican, nobody cared, now all of a sudden it mattered. Prior to that the Dems ad Pubs ever had an openly hostile relationship it was almost good natured...almost.

I saw the little things, we as Cops were always on  these details, Head of state arrivials, motorcades to and from the Whitehouse, we always helped with the security and we had a good relationship with the Secret Service, we knew each other by name etc. All of a sudden we got new SOP's from our Bosses via the USSS....We had to undergo renewed background checks and we got told to keep our distance. Gone were the Days when President Reagan would come up to you and shake your hand and thank you and maybe tell a corny joke or two. So now I had a Deputy Inspector asking me and my men about How we felt about the President  WTF is that?

I cant even begin to tell you the negative image that the AG Janet Reno projected on all of us what with "WACO" and all.

I look around today and think back to the Weathermen, The SDS the black Panthers, the SYmbonese Liberation army ad I realize they are still with us, ad very scarey, some of them are serving in cogress, they are no longer hiding what they are.
Good point Billy. Looking back at the early days of Nam their was a unified voice to kick the Commies out of Nam, but by 1965 the left was howling that our boys were dying in a needless war, a war the left started.
Enter Walter Cronkite, a trusted Urinalist of the day, despite the fact we had essentially won the war, he declared our loss and in doing so, not only caused the deaths of thousands more Americans, prolonging the war by tying the hands of Congress by bringing attention to war and broadcasting it to American living rooms with his lying commentary.
Suddenly Congress was under pressure to bring the war to an end, that and the fact that LBJ was trying to micromanage the war the generals should have been fighting.

Nam changed the country and the left holds all the blame.
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« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2019, 10:12:30 AM »
I think VietNam is an example of a war that, perhaps the media but I lay the blame at the feet of politicians, was not fought with an intention to win.  How else can you explain winning all the battles but losing the War. I do not really accept that it was a loss, more of a war games conclusion that we decided not to play anymore.  No proof but I will always believe that it was used as a testing ground to see hour our equipment fared against theirs how different tactics worked. 

So I think that the media causing this war to end was not really a bad thing because I do not see where early on we were fighting to win and then backed off because of bad press. I do not agree that the left's actions against those who answered our countries call is right as it is really deplorable. 

The news media at that time was biased as we have learned but by today's standards not at all.  So much of the news today is commentary about opinion and feelings.  During the campaign of trump and even ones before that, the adjectives they used to describe each side was predictable.  The people who turned out for Trump were raucous, violent, and worse while the other side they were enthusiastic, educated adoring.  If you hear one crowd listened to a speech sedately and the other one was full of enthusiasm who do you think seems to have that hearts and minds of most people in America. 

Many people are sheep and will follow what they think the crowd is doing.  You do not hear that trump filled the stadium two times over if you count the ones listening outside while the other side did not fill a small auditorium.  Not an accident. 
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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2019, 04:40:00 PM »
Good point Billy. Looking back at the early days of Nam their was a unified voice to kick the Commies out of Nam, but by 1965 the left was howling that our boys were dying in a needless war, a war the left started.
Enter Walter Cronkite, a trusted Urinalist of the day, despite the fact we had essentially won the war, he declared our loss and in doing so, not only caused the deaths of thousands more Americans, prolonging the war by tying the hands of Congress by bringing attention to war and broadcasting it to American living rooms with his lying commentary.
Suddenly Congress was under pressure to bring the war to an end, that and the fact that LBJ was trying to micromanage the war the generals should have been fighting.

Nam changed the country and the left holds all the blame.

The best example of this propaganda disguised as news was the Tet Offesive. The papers, ad asshole Cronkite were saying it was a "defeat" for the Americans....Bullshit, the Vietcong threw everything they had at us and they FAILED, the held a few cities like HUE for a few days and they attacked the US embassy. But it he end, they failed to hold their objectives and they lost more than 80 men by their own admission. After that the Vietcong were no longer a viable force. from then on in it was north Viet regulars and...some say to this day...Chinese Troops mixed among the nva
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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2019, 04:58:43 PM »
The best example of this propaganda disguised as news was the Tet Offesive. The papers, ad asshole Cronkite were saying it was a "defeat" for the Americans....Bullshit, the Vietcong threw everything they had at us and they FAILED, the held a few cities like HUE for a few days and they attacked the US embassy. But it he end, they failed to hold their objectives and they lost more than 80 men by their own admission. After that the Vietcong were no longer a viable force. from then on in it was north Viet regulars and...some say to this day...Chinese Troops mixed among the nva
My brother was shot during the Tet, and he concurred, there were Chinese troops involved.
It was because we were winning, the Marxists state side, needed to ramp up the protests to end the war. Hindsight being 20/20, it all fits like a puzzle.
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