I never supported Bush, he wasn't conservative and hard line enough -- compassionate conservative sounds like a liberal who wants tax cuts for themselves but also run up government spending. I was solidified in my opposition to Bush after the monstrosity of the Patriot Act was conceived, preying on the fears of Americans.
I see many former Bush supporters who are now rabid Trump supporters and I struggle to understand how one could have been both. I also personally know plenty current Trump supporters who basically worshipped Bush -- but now they pretend they never really liked Bush all along, but my memory says different.
When I confront these former bush sycophants -- they usually tell me that they ONLY supported Bush because he was from their team, so even if they personally don't agree with him, they still pretend to be all for Bush and everything he does so they don't appear to be in agreement with libs.
So my question to you former Bush supporters who are now on the Trump train -- why did you wait so long to oppose Bush and why are we true Trump supporters suppose to believe you are for Trump now? Far as we know, years from now, you may try to pretend you were never for Trump once the political winds shift.
Not really certain as to the point of this post considering Bush was just another in a long line of Establishment picks.
The gop' Establishment seized the party from the conservatives, became the enemy of the base and only allowed the RINO they wanted to run, eg. McStain, the Maverick, as the LSM called him in hopes of helping him become our choice for POTUS, knowing full well the base would reject his worthless ass, and we did.
The GOP was never about winning, they were always happy to be the party out of power, this way they could suck the taxpayer dry in support of their crony capitalist friends and claim, "It was the Dims Fault, They're the ones in Power".
Like giving Obozo the biggest omnibus Bill in history, then blame the Dims for the deficit.
Point is, GW was our only option at the time, but that all changed in 2010 when TEA stole the narrative and began its assault on the leftists in both party's.
We have not let up since.
The party's played this game for decades, whereby they offer up a candidate that wins because the nation wants change from the last fuck up.
LBJ gave us Nixon, a RINO, which gave us Carter a leftist, which ushered in Reagan a Conservative, but the GOP had burned Reagan by forcing Bush on him as VP and setting the stage for the next 30 years of failure.
This brings us to the current political climate, Trump, the GOP ran a bunch of leftists against Trump, and each and every one of them was rejected hands down, once they realized it came down to Cruz or Trump, they opted for trump because they despised the idea of a Conservative, because the last time that happened, we got Reagan and that scares the shit out of them, so they screwed Cruz and gave us Trump.
Point is, Bush was not Presidential material, but they saw a chance at building a RINO dynasty like the left did with the Kennedy's, but the country despised what the party was offering up and demanded change.
Both party's have been playing their constituency like sheep for the slaughter and the country is rejecting this process, the Conservative base has the GOP Establishment in its death throes, while on the left, their base literally up and abandoned them and it too is on its last leg, only the Dim party is dead for all intents and purposes, if not for its leftist media and the gOP'' need for an enemy to blame for their own misdeeds, the Dim party wouldn't even exist, but these two entities are keeping it on life support.
Anyway, one thing Bush did do for us? He exposed the GOP for the leftists they are by giving both party's anything they asked for and the base would not settle again.
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 05:41:15 AM
I never supported Bush, he wasn't conservative and hard line enough -- compassionate conservative sounds like a liberal who wants tax cuts for themselves but also run up government spending. I was solidified in my opposition to Bush after the monstrosity of the Patriot Act was conceived, preying on the fears of Americans.
I see many former Bush supporters who are now rabid Trump supporters and I struggle to understand how one could have been both. I also personally know plenty current Trump supporters who basically worshipped Bush -- but now they pretend they never really liked Bush all along, but my memory says different.
When I confront these former bush sycophants -- they usually tell me that they ONLY supported Bush because he was from their team, so even if they personally don't agree with him, they still pretend to be all for Bush and everything he does so they don't appear to be in agreement with libs.
So my question to you former Bush supporters who are now on the Trump train -- why did you wait so long to oppose Bush and why are we true Trump supporters suppose to believe you are for Trump now? Far as we know, years from now, you may try to pretend you were never for Trump once the political winds shift.
I have not seen yet a rabid president Trump supporter who supported Bush. We put up with Bush because there was nothing else. After 9/11 the support for Bush grew, but when attacked it is common to circle the wagons.
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 05:41:15 AM
I never supported Bush, he wasn't conservative and hard line enough -- compassionate conservative sounds like a liberal who wants tax cuts for themselves but also run up government spending. I was solidified in my opposition to Bush after the monstrosity of the Patriot Act was conceived, preying on the fears of Americans.
I see many former Bush supporters who are now rabid Trump supporters and I struggle to understand how one could have been both. I also personally know plenty current Trump supporters who basically worshipped Bush -- but now they pretend they never really liked Bush all along, but my memory says different.
When I confront these former bush sycophants -- they usually tell me that they ONLY supported Bush because he was from their team, so even if they personally don't agree with him, they still pretend to be all for Bush and everything he does so they don't appear to be in agreement with libs.
So my question to you former Bush supporters who are now on the Trump train -- why did you wait so long to oppose Bush and why are we true Trump supporters suppose to believe you are for Trump now? Far as we know, years from now, you may try to pretend you were never for Trump once the political winds shift.
I'll take that.
First, I was a Bush supporter that includes the war on Terrorism and invading Iraq, I still support him on both issues. I did not WORSHIP Bush....I
tolerated him because he was better than that blazing moron Gore and that Clown Kerry.
As for Trump, I didn't vote for him, I supported Ted Cruz, I was angry that my State wouldn't let me write in Ted so I didnt bother to vote. To be honest I thought Hillary was going to win due to DEMOCRAT CHEATING....the FIX WAS IN. So why bother.
I now see how WRONG I was not to vote for Trump and he has my full support for a number of reasons. One of those reasons is I see the extremes to which the Establishment and "deep state" is going to destabilize the country and his Presidency. I'm more than disturbed, I'm mad as hell at these Bastards. That includes Bush, the whole Bush family, I never liked Bush the Elder because of his "read my lips no new taxes", also the folly of not taking out Saddam and bowing to the corrupt UN when he had the chance. fitting that "Iraq" caused his Son so much trouble years later.
Now I hear this idiot Jeb support illegal aliens and even Bush the Second chide Trump for his support for OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS and I think to myself you Fkg HYPOCRITes W was the one who used the immigration laws to correctly throw out hundreds if not thousands of Suspected Terrorists after 9/11, we still have those ME fiends sneaking into our country from the southern border and BUSH Supports that?
Trump is a businessman, first and foremost, I've always said I want to see a businessman run the country because it would be good for the country. That has so far proven true. So Trump will continue to have my support and the deep state will continue to have my ire for their sedition and mutiny.
Any Questions? Thanks.
Quote from: s3779m on July 17, 2018, 06:21:39 AM
I have not seen yet a rabid president Trump supporter who supported Bush. We put up with Bush because there was nothing else. After 9/11 the support for Bush grew, but when attacked it is common to circle the wagons.
Revisionist history --- there is a difference between putting up with a president and going all in for a president -- we called people traitors for simply opposing Bush's Iraq war policy -- when any sane person should have been opposing the Iraq war policy..
We call people traitors for speaking out against the Patriot Act -- saying they were on the side of the terrorists -- that is high level cult like behavior
Now these same folks openly admit the Iraq War was a clusterfuck from the beginning and how Bush was always a globalist blah blah -- we knew that then, so again, my question is, how come so many said nothing??
How can you truly expect ANY leader to be held accountable if we are always so willing to say nothing -- just to worship the one in power -- because Trump, for as great as a man he is -- won't always be the one in power
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 17, 2018, 06:50:15 AM
I'll take that.
First, I was a Bush supporter that includes the war on Terrorism and invading Iraq, I still support him on both issues. I did not WORSHIP Bush....I tolerated him because he was better than that blazing moron Gore and that Clown Kerry.
As for Trump, I didn't vote for him, I supported Ted Cruz, I was angry that my State wouldn't let me write in Ted so I didnt bother to vote. To be honest I thought Hillary was going to win due to DEMOCRAT CHEATING....the FIX WAS IN. So why bother.
I now see how WRONG I was not to vote for Trump and he has my full support for a number of reasons. One of those reasons is I see the extremes to which the Establishment and "deep state" is going to destabilize the country and his Presidency. I'm more than disturbed, I'm mad as hell at these Bastards. That includes Bush, the whole Bush family, I never liked Bush the Elder because of his "read my lips no new taxes", also the folly of not taking out Saddam and bowing to the corrupt UN when he had the chance. fitting that "Iraq" caused his Son so much trouble years later.
Now I hear this idiot Jeb support illegal aliens and even Bush the Second chide Trump for his support for OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS and I think to myself you Fkg HYPOCRITes W was the one who used the immigration laws to correctly throw out hundreds if not thousands of Suspected Terrorists after 9/11, we still have those ME fiends sneaking into our country from the southern border and BUSH Supports that?
Trump is a businessman, first and foremost, I've always said I want to see a businessman run the country because it would be good for the country. That has so far proven true. So Trump will continue to have my support and the deep state will continue to have my ire for their sedition and mutiny.
Any Questions? Thanks.
Bush was considered a businessman too -- a globalist one -- just like Trump is -- globalism is only bad if the person you are calling a globalist is someone we already don't like.
Again my point is -- if we are so quick to shut up and silence our opposition just because he is "our leader" -- we will guarantee ourselves that we will get another "bush" or variation thereof in the future.
Only way to stop trump from being an anomaly is to demand that every politician from the city council level to the national level is Trumpian in their own style of governing -- I doubt Trump himself is responsible for much of the policy proposals -- those are still in the capable hands of conservative think tanks (Heritage foundation, ALEC) -- what we need are Trumpian politicians at all levels to tap into the anger of America and harness it against libs and RINOS until they are vanquished
If we can keep that up for ten years time -- we would have changed so much of the structural mechanisms of government that no lib or moderate republican can mess it up -- Roe V Wade, dead, Affirmative Action, dead, Gay Rights agenda, dead -- we can firmly solidify our country's rightful place on the political spectrum as a Christian conservative country --- no matter how many gays, libs, minorities try to claim otherwise.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 17, 2018, 06:50:15 AM
I'll take that.
First, I was a Bush supporter that includes the war on Terrorism and invading Iraq, I still support him on both issues. I did not WORSHIP Bush....I tolerated him because he was better than that blazing moron Gore and that Clown Kerry.
As for Trump, I didn't vote for him, I supported Ted Cruz, I was angry that my State wouldn't let me write in Ted so I didnt bother to vote. To be honest I thought Hillary was going to win due to DEMOCRAT CHEATING....the FIX WAS IN. So why bother.
I now see how WRONG I was not to vote for Trump and he has my full support for a number of reasons. One of those reasons is I see the extremes to which the Establishment and "deep state" is going to destabilize the country and his Presidency. I'm more than disturbed, I'm mad as hell at these Bastards. That includes Bush, the whole Bush family, I never liked Bush the Elder because of his "read my lips no new taxes", also the folly of not taking out Saddam and bowing to the corrupt UN when he had the chance. fitting that "Iraq" caused his Son so much trouble years later.
Now I hear this idiot Jeb support illegal aliens and even Bush the Second chide Trump for his support for OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS and I think to myself you Fkg HYPOCRITes W was the one who used the immigration laws to correctly throw out hundreds if not thousands of Suspected Terrorists after 9/11, we still have those ME fiends sneaking into our country from the southern border and BUSH Supports that?
Trump is a businessman, first and foremost, I've always said I want to see a businessman run the country because it would be good for the country. That has so far proven true. So Trump will continue to have my support and the deep state will continue to have my ire for their sedition and mutiny.
Any Questions? Thanks.
My thoughts exactly! Thanks for posting. :thumbup:
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 07:09:51 AM
Revisionist history --- there is a difference between putting up with a president and going all in for a president -- we called people traitors for simply opposing Bush's Iraq war policy -- when any sane person should have been opposing the Iraq war policy..
You did? I never heard that, anyway, I only run in Conservative circles and none of them were so duped as to believe that shit.
QuoteWe call people traitors for speaking out against the Patriot Act -- saying they were on the side of the terrorists -- that is high level cult like behavior
Man, where were you posting, at the DU? The GOP base was totally against the idea of the PA and still are to this day, nothing has changed. We think airport security is a complete joke and think all passengers should be armed.
QuoteNow these same folks openly admit the Iraq War was a clusterfuck from the beginning and how Bush was always a globalist blah blah -- we knew that then, so again, my question is, how come so many said nothing??
You seem to have a bad habit of painting with a broad brush when you seem to lump everyone on the Right, completely ignoring the fact that the entire Dim party supported the Iraq invasion with the exception of one Dim.
QuoteHow can you truly expect ANY leader to be held accountable if we are always so willing to say nothing -- just to worship the one in power -- because Trump, for as great as a man he is -- won't always be the one in power
Trump in no way is cut from the same cloth as your run of the mill Pol, in fact, whoever Trump anoints will have a great chance of keeping Trump's policies alive, and totally screwing the GOP, which I welcome, because the sooner we steal the party, the better off this country will be.
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 07:17:59 AM
Bush was considered a businessman too -- a globalist one -- just like Trump is -- globalism is only bad if the person you are calling a globalist is someone we already don't like.
Wait, are you comparing Trump to Bush because of the Bush families crony corporate connections, somehow conflates to Trump's worldwide enterprises? :lol:
QuoteAgain my point is -- if we are so quick to shut up and silence our opposition just because he is "our leader" -- we will guarantee ourselves that we will get another "bush" or variation thereof in the future.
Ah, I see, just because you refused to speak out against, you turn around and blame everyone else for your failures?
Do you even realise what you just said?
QuoteOnly way to stop trump from being an anomaly is to demand that every politician from the city council level to the national level is Trumpian in their own style of governing -- I doubt Trump himself is responsible for much of the policy proposals -- those are still in the capable hands of conservative think tanks (Heritage foundation, ALEC) -- what we need are Trumpian politicians at all levels to tap into the anger of America and harness it against libs and RINOS until they are vanquished
You have that backward, it was Trump that recognized the ire of the nation and the GOP base. Trump didn't just stumble onto the scene, he was chosen years ago.
QuoteIf we can keep that up for ten years time -- we would have changed so much of the structural mechanisms of government that no lib or moderate republican can mess it up -- Roe V Wade, dead, Affirmative Action, dead, Gay Rights agenda, dead -- we can firmly solidify our country's rightful place on the political spectrum as a Christian conservative country --- no matter how many gays, libs, minorities try to claim otherwise.
These are changes that GGovt has no business messing with. We're in this mess because of govt and now you want govt to interfere once again, no, this is only solved through cultural change by the people.
The idea is to shrink govt back to its Founding, where the States decide. As in the 10th Amendment.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 07:09:51 AM
Revisionist history --- there is a difference between putting up with a president and going all in for a president -- we called people traitors for simply opposing Bush's Iraq war policy -- when any sane person should have been opposing the Iraq war policy..
We call people traitors for speaking out against the Patriot Act -- saying they were on the side of the terrorists -- that is high level cult like behavior
Now these same folks openly admit the Iraq War was a clusterfuck from the beginning and how Bush was always a globalist blah blah -- we knew that then, so again, my question is, how come so many said nothing??
How can you truly expect ANY leader to be held accountable if we are always so willing to say nothing -- just to worship the one in power -- because Trump, for as great as a man he is -- won't always be the one in power
All I see from you is a bunch of generic bullshit.
I voted for and liked GWB as a devout, seemingly patriotic guy, who seemed like just a very decent fellow. In the end, I learned that he was more part of a dynasty instead, and more like the hyper selfish guys like McCain, Boehner, Ryan, Corker, Flake, Alexander, etc. GWB ends up stained by the RINO's that he enabled, who carried on after him.
I still think that GWB is the most credible, sincere one of the Bushes. GHWB seems more like Joe Kennedy or Joe Jackson (Michael's father lol) these days, and little Jebbers looks more like a ghost or hologram of GHWB. The other brother I think was caught up in the 80's S&L crimes. No dynasty for you !
So far, all Trump has done is to make shit better, whether economically, ethically in the federal govt, or in making war a little less likely with our previous sworn enemies.
He also ended the dem party for the most part. I'll take all that, and have no need to bitch and moan.
Oh, and GWB kept us from having to live through a presidency of Gore or Kerry.
He deserves as much credit for that as Trump gets for ending Hill-Billy and Barry & Moomoo.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2018, 08:05:21 AM
Wait, are you comparing Trump to Bush because of the Bush families crony corporate connections, somehow conflates to Trump's worldwide enterprises? :lol:
Ah, I see, just because you refused to speak out against, you turn around and blame everyone else for your failures?
Do you even realise what you just said?
You have that backward, it was Trump that recognized the ire of the nation and the GOP base. Trump didn't just stumble onto the scene, he was chosen years ago.
These are changes that GGovt has no business messing with. We're in this mess because of govt and now you want govt to interfere once again, no, this is only solved through cultural change by the people.
The idea is to shrink govt back to its Founding, where the States decide. As in the 10th Amendment.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
its only government interference when you don't agree with what government is doing -- lets not pretend that we want NO government involvement in anything. We definitely do when it comes to implementing Christian conservative values.
and I agree, when Trump appointed himself the figurehead of the birther movement..he tapped into the anger of the Birther movement, he was smart in riding that anger all the way to the white house -- and he needs to continue to tap that anger -- there is plenty to be upset about -- and no one should be made to feel ashamed of being part of that birther movement -- and to Trump's credit, he never alienated those people.
He is also smart to align himself with Putin because no other government is doing more to support ethno-nationalist politicians who would put the rights of their own European citizens first instead of the rights of cultural infiltrators and illegals.
but your earlier claims of the GOP base being against the patriot Act is not substantiated -- since the PA passed with not one single republican voting against it.
Also, your earlier claims of how most conservatives was against the way the Iraq war was conducted -- that also is not substantiated by the facts -- as for just voting to authorize the president to go to war in Iraq -- I will give anyone who voted that a pass since we were so expertly fear-mongered into that position -- but even for that, only 6 republicans in the house voted against it, in comparison to 126 democrats who voted against it, but they are against America anyway, so who cares. In the Senate, only one republican voted against it, 21 democrats voted against it.
That level of obedience to Bush is what set the tone for all of the other bush proposals that lost conservatives the White House for 8 years. To try to revise that history to make yourself feel better is how you end up repeating it.
Quote from: AndyJackson on July 17, 2018, 08:31:49 AM
Oh, and GWB kept us from having to live through a presidency of Gore or Kerry.
He deserves as much credit for that as Trump gets for ending Hill-Billy and Barry & Moomoo.
If that is something to give a president credit for -- that is very low bar
Do you give Clinton credit for cutting short a George HW presidency?
I tend to base the success of a president on larger things than being happy the other side didn't win -- hell, if that is the case -- we should be happy Obama was the first to beat Hillary before Trump did.
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 09:26:52 AM
If that is something to give a president credit for -- that is very low bar
Do you give Clinton credit for cutting short a George HW presidency?
I tend to base the success of a president on larger things than being happy the other side didn't win -- hell, if that is the case -- we should be happy Obama was the first to beat Hillary before Trump did.
Clinton did not cut short GHW, GHW did it by rejecting the Reagan coattails he rode in on.
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 05:41:15 AM
I never supported Bush, he wasn't conservative and hard line enough -- compassionate conservative sounds like a liberal who wants tax cuts for themselves but also run up government spending. I was solidified in my opposition to Bush after the monstrosity of the Patriot Act was conceived, preying on the fears of Americans.
I see many former Bush supporters who are now rabid Trump supporters and I struggle to understand how one could have been both. I also personally know plenty current Trump supporters who basically worshipped Bush -- but now they pretend they never really liked Bush all along, but my memory says different.
When I confront these former bush sycophants -- they usually tell me that they ONLY supported Bush because he was from their team, so even if they personally don't agree with him, they still pretend to be all for Bush and everything he does so they don't appear to be in agreement with libs.
So my question to you former Bush supporters who are now on the Trump train -- why did you wait so long to oppose Bush and why are we true Trump supporters suppose to believe you are for Trump now? Far as we know, years from now, you may try to pretend you were never for Trump once the political winds shift.
For myself i was just a kid in high school bushes first term so i didnt know shit. I hadnt even heard terms like rino or establishment. I knew libs were bad and cons were for things i agreed with. I knew there were 2 parties and that libs voted dem and cons voted gop, so i thought everyone in those parties believed the same things. I didnt understand all the different sub groups and ideas, or that there were dissenters. I just assumed bush was conservative because he was in the gop, nuff said, said my inexperianced teen mind.
I was stunned when bush proposed the bailout after the crash, right at the end of his term. Why wld someone who is supposedly a champion of capitalism not allow the markets to correct the problem?
I remember being confused by the patriot act, but was fooled into supporting it cuz the dems opposed it, but heres the rub, they only opposed it because bush pushed it. The PA is actually right up liberals ally, yet they opposed simply because it was bush. Well their trick worked on my young brain and i backed bush. Well i suppose it was a joint trick by both the dims and the gop'e, but it took me half a decade or more to figure this out. The establishment fog was much stronger back then.
It was during obamas years that i wised up.
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 07:17:59 AM
Bush was considered a businessman too -- a globalist one -- just like Trump is -- globalism is only bad if the person you are calling a globalist is someone we already don't like.
Again my point is -- if we are so quick to shut up and silence our opposition just because he is "our leader" -- we will guarantee ourselves that we will get another "bush" or variation thereof in the future.
Bush was also a Politician, he was Gov of TExas and a controversial one too.
There seems to me to be NOTHING BUT opposition to Trump and the opposition gets ramped up everytime he does something halfway good for the country....that really disturbs me, that should disturb you too regardless of where you stand on the politcal spectrum.
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 09:20:04 AM
its only government interference when you don't agree with what government is doing -- lets not pretend that we want NO government involvement in anything. We definitely do when it comes to implementing Christian conservative values.
Ohh Jeez, what part of simply following the Constitution, do you not get?
The values you speak of, are not necessarily "Christian", but tried and proven values of a successful society handed down over millennia, our Founders simply put them down in writing and explicitly created a limited Republican form of govt along with a Bill of Rights.
Read the First Amendment! And while you're at it, tell me where the Bill of Rights gets its power.
Quoteand I agree, when Trump appointed himself the figurehead of the birther movement..he tapped into the anger of the Birther movement, he was smart in riding that anger all the way to the white house -- and he needs to continue to tap that anger -- there is plenty to be upset about -- and no one should be made to feel ashamed of being part of that birther movement -- and to Trump's credit, he never alienated those people.
Like Billy pointed out not being a Trump supporter, 99% of the people on thhis forum did not support Trump, we all supported Cruz, so to be honest, I never even knew Trump was part of the Birther movement, I followed Joe Arpaio on his investigation of the fraudulent document.
QuoteHe is also smart to align himself with Putin because no other government is doing more to support ethno-nationalist politicians who would put the rights of their own European citizens first instead of the rights of cultural infiltrators and illegals.
I think that had much to do with why libs were bailing on the Dims, no one supports illegal activity, especially when everyone knows someone that lost a job to an illegal, or they, themselves.
Quotebut your earlier claims of the GOP base being against the patriot Act is not substantiated -- since the PA passed with not one single republican voting against it.
Again, don't conflate the base with the party, the base despises the GOP and is still Hell bent on stealing the party, that will never end until it's ours.
Remember, they also bailed our Wall St which was quite possibly the final straw.
QuoteAlso, your earlier claims of how most conservatives was against the way the Iraq war was conducted -- that also is not substantiated by the facts -- as for just voting to authorize the president to go to war in Iraq -- I will give anyone who voted that a pass since we were so expertly fear-mongered into that position -- but even for that, only 6 republicans in the house voted against it, in comparison to 126 democrats who voted against it, but they are against America anyway, so who cares. In the Senate, only one republican voted against it, 21 democrats voted against it.
Yeah, that was from a flawed memory apparently, where I thought I remembered the only Dim to go against it was Sheila Jackson Lee, and that's possibly due to media giving her a soap box where she claimed to be the single dissenting voice..
QuoteThat level of obedience to Bush is what set the tone for all of the other bush proposals that lost conservatives the White House for 8 years. To try to revise that history to make yourself feel better is how you end up repeating it.
Yes, we did lose the WH, but you can blame the GOP for that, they ran another RINO, and apparently being a Mormon played a part according to much of what I read at the time.
But just like McStain, the GOP was notorious for shitting on the base and running total losers that didn't give a shit about the Constitution.
This is more of that back and forth game the party's play for power, where the people get sick of one party and support the other next time around.
One other point, the Marxists learned long ago, the tool of division, the problem is, the GOP let them get away with it because it drove the base to their side and the back and forth continued unabated for decades.
The left lost, and so is the GOP which is why you're seeing an exodus of RINO claiming they want to be with their families now.
It appears another urinary contest is in its early stages. Hmm.......
Anyway, a reflection and perspective gleaned from by history.
The GOP has never been a conservative party. Not for a day!
Our only principled conservative party was the Southern Agrarian &
Rural Democrats of Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Rutledge; among
many dozens, concentrated in Virginia and the Carolinas.
Sadly it was fatally tarred by slavery and faded from existence.
The GOP emerged thru the northern mercantile class in 1856
and post Civil War was politically ascendant over the next 70 years,
dominating the Presidency, the Congress and appointing the vast
majority of SC Justices, during the period from Lincoln to Hoover.
The Party represented:
* protectionism never free trade, enacting more than 100 duties,
excises and tariffs, including Smoot-Hawley on the eve of the Great
Depression.The defense/excuse offered by assorted GOP assholery
was that they were "protecting our infant industries".
* centralized government and rejected states rights.
* activist reform thru the creation of the regulatory apparatus that
engulfs us at this very moment; most notably by POTUS TR.
* support for the 16th Amendment and enactment of the Income Tax.
Anyone desiring real change will never get it from the GOP, which is
nothing more than a constipated mummy. Change will only come
when the GOP is buried and replaced.
Quote from: Walter Josh on July 17, 2018, 11:56:15 AM
It appears another urinary contest is in its early stages. Hmm.......
Anyway, a reflection and perspective gleaned from by history.
The GOP has never been a conservative party. Not for a day!
Our only principled conservative party was the Southern Agrarian &
Rural Democrats of Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Rutledge; among
many dozens, concentrated in Virginia and the Carolinas.
Sadly it was fatally tarred by slavery and faded from existence.
The GOP emerged thru the northern mercantile class in 1856
and post Civil War was politically ascendant over the next 70 years,
dominating the Presidency, the Congress and appointing the vast
majority of SC Justices, during the period from Lincoln to Hoover.
The Party represented:
* protectionism never free trade, enacting more than 100 duties,
excises and tariffs, including Smoot-Hawley on the eve of the Great
Depression.The defense/excuse offered by assorted GOP assholery
was that they were "protecting our infant industries".
* centralized government and rejected states rights.
* activist reform thru the creation of the regulatory apparatus that
engulfs us at this very moment; most notably by POTUS TR.
* support for the 16th Amendment and enactment of the Income Tax.
Anyone desiring real change will never get it from the GOP, which is
nothing more than a constipated mummy. Change will only come
when the GOP is buried and replaced.
Or stolen, because replacing it merely divides the base and the monied interests always win.
No, you have to force the scum out, in turn, killing off their monied support. There is no easy answer, there is no guarantee we can keep it, but that's for future generations to figure out.
Just like our Founders gave us a "Republic, if we can keep it", it is our responsibility to give the next generations a fighting chance, by stealing the GOP away from the elites controlling the Nation. Elites that control both the party's and play them against us.
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 07:09:51 AM
we called people traitors for simply opposing Bush's Iraq war policy -- when any sane person should have been opposing the Iraq war policy..
Why wld a sane person not support stopping a dictator with WMDs? And dont tell me he didnt have any because he used them on the kurds. The people in general were very happy we tok saddam out. So we were entirely justified in going in. However the rebuilding was very half assed, the establishment wouldnt commit and kept pussy footing around, just like vietnam, which is why it was such a disaster. Then came the surge, and that won the war, iraq was a success. That is until obummer came along and fucked it all to hell.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 17, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Clinton did not cut short GHW, GHW did it by rejecting the Reagan coattails he rode in on.
Absolutely. GWHB proved many times that he was NOT aligned with Reagan or his principles.
In hindsight, it's been alleged that the RINO / deepstate players of that day pushed him on Reagan, to keep their own guy on the inside. I've read that they traded support for Reagan's campaign, for him picking Bush.
Much the way several shady members of Trump's cabinet and staff were insinuated on him by the deepstate / RINO's of today.
Always there, always worming around.
Although ....... it did dovetail very sadly with the Perot effect, which screwed the GOP vote completely. Even with the shittiness of GWHB, he may still have won without Perot in the mix.
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 09:26:52 AM
If that is something to give a president credit for -- that is very low bar
Do you give Clinton credit for cutting short a George HW presidency?
I tend to base the success of a president on larger things than being happy the other side didn't win -- hell, if that is the case -- we should be happy Obama was the first to beat Hillary before Trump did.
If you can't see the immense value and importance of avoiding a Gore, Kerry, or Hillary Clinton presidency, then you've been bullshitting us as a fake conservative this whole time.
These are the worst possible people on the earth to have ever given control of America to.
Bill Clinton is just a piker in his communist / anti-America beliefs. Obama is as anti-America as anybody, but luckily in their zeal to create him, they didn't notice that he was incredibly incompetent and ineffectual. They thought he was a genius world changer, turns out he was an idiot savant without the ability to actually do anything but EO's and stupid comments.
Hillary, Gore, and Clinton - evil, and with the hate, experience, and connections to do real harm.
So yeah, wake the fuck up, buddy. Stop waxing stupidly.
And why the hell wouldn't you be extremely happy that Obama took out Hillary for 8 years ? Yeah, I despise the guy, but Hillary would have been worse than him.
She may have succeeded in realizing the 16-year-plan, with her level of corruption and criminal network.
It's dumb luck that Obama's sheer foolishness and ineptness, and Hillary's total disintegration mentally and physically, played out as they did. But I thank God for it every day.
Quote from: mrclose on July 17, 2018, 05:53:55 PM
THAT was a great post Solar and deserves to be read again! :thumbsup:
(paypal accepted) :lol:
All I've gott is Bitcoin, I don't do Paypal. Though they really aren't in circulation yet, I figured, what the Hell, everyone else in getting into Fiat currency, why can't I print my own? :biggrin:
Quote from: T Hunt on July 17, 2018, 02:30:41 PM
Why wld a sane person not support stopping a dictator with WMDs? And dont tell me he didnt have any because he used them on the kurds. The people in general were very happy we tok saddam out. So we were entirely justified in going in. However the rebuilding was very half assed, the establishment wouldnt commit and kept pussy footing around, just like vietnam, which is why it was such a disaster. Then came the surge, and that won the war, iraq was a success. That is until obummer came along and fucked it all to hell.
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So we won the war and Iraq was a success??????????
JESUS, MARY & JOSEPH; will you please get real!!!!!!!
The Arab told us that " the enemy of my enemy is my friend" yet buffoon Bush
was oblivious and the results are plain to see except for the deaf, dumb and blind.
Iraq (Mesopotamia) was Iran's (Persia) age old enemy, pre-dating Alexander.
In 1980, they commenced a 9 year conflict over long standing territorial issues
which ended in stalemate and further impoverished both, despite their oil resources.
Yet the advantage remained w/Iraq because of its location at the head of the
Persian Gulf and threatened Iran's oil shipping lanes.
Bush's reckless adventure changed that dynamic, allowing Iran free reign to
pursue its revolutionary impulses and we continue to pay for the consequences
of that disastrous decision to this very day!!!
The weapons of mass destruction malarkey was bullshit cubed, conjured up by
our govt intelligentsia in support of Bush's impulse for war. Hussein had neither
the technical capabilities nor the financial resources to produce nuclear, biological
or nerve agents.
As for the chlorine/fluorine gas argument, they were used by the Germans in
1915 at Ypres, Belgium to drive the British from their trenches, as it was an
severe irritant, not a killing gas. In fact, chlorine is regularly used by law
enforcement to disperse dangerously large mobs and is certainly not a WMD!!!
Label our Iraq venture, along w/the decision to enter WW1, as monumental
fiascoes predictable from assholes at birth, such as Bush and Wilson.
Quote from: AndyJackson on July 17, 2018, 02:49:29 PM
Absolutely. GWHB proved many times that he was NOT aligned with Reagan or his principles.
In hindsight, it's been alleged that the RINO / deepstate players of that day pushed him on Reagan, to keep their own guy on the inside. I've read that they traded support for Reagan's campaign, for him picking Bush.
Much the way several shady members of Trump's cabinet and staff were insinuated on him by the deepstate / RINO's of today.
Always there, always worming around.
Although ....... it did dovetail very sadly with the Perot effect, which screwed the GOP vote completely. Even with the shittiness of GWHB, he may still have won without Perot in the mix.
Perot was a side show. However, GHWB made him relevant by abandoning many of the folks who voted for him in 1988. They voted for Perot in protest.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2018, 11:49:58 AM
Like Billy pointed out not being a Trump supporter, 99% of the people on thhis forum did not support Trump, we all supported Cruz, so to be honest, I never even knew Trump was part of the Birther movement, I followed Joe Arpaio on his investigation of the fraudulent document.
You just lost the debate with this bit of revisionist history -- To pretend to not know that Trump was part of the birther movement -- yet be an informed conservative is the epitome of intellectual dishonesty.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2018, 11:49:58 AM
Again, don't conflate the base with the party, the base despises the GOP and is still Hell bent on stealing the party, that will never end until it's ours.
Remember, they also bailed our Wall St which was quite possibly the final straw
What has the GOP done to show Wall St they can no longer buy our politicians or have their lobbyists write our financial regulations? ZERO
I have already made peace with the fact that Wall St will always own our politicians, so as long as they continue to cut taxes, cut entitlement spending and roll back Civil Rights legislation, I am fine.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2018, 11:49:58 AM
Yes, we did lose the WH, but you can blame the GOP for that, they ran another RINO, and apparently being a Mormon played a part according to much of what I read at the time.
But just like McStain, the GOP was notorious for shitting on the base and running total losers that didn't give a shit about the Constitution.
Quick question, who did you support in the 2008 & 2012 republican primary? And would you be caught dead pushing for any of them to be president if we didn't have Trump?
There is a reason we keep having bad candidates, because we as a base will always keep supporting whoever they tell us to -- we went all in for whatever candidate they put up like they were the greatest thing since sliced bread -- only to look silly later when we went on about how they weren't true conservatives...
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2018, 11:49:58 AM
The left lost, and so is the GOP which is why you're seeing an exodus of RINO claiming they want to be with their families now.
Those RINOS you are talking about all had 95% or above voting records by so called conservative watchdog groups -- the reason most of them are exiting is more about style than policy, since the majority of Trump's policies are run of the mill GOP policies. I am glad those people are retiring, because they refuse to go all in for Trump and we need to have politicians who will stand by Trump no matter what.
Quote from: T Hunt on July 17, 2018, 02:30:41 PM
Why wld a sane person not support stopping a dictator with WMDs? And dont tell me he didnt have any because he used them on the kurds. The people in general were very happy we tok saddam out. So we were entirely justified in going in. However the rebuilding was very half assed, the establishment wouldnt commit and kept pussy footing around, just like vietnam, which is why it was such a disaster. Then came the surge, and that won the war, iraq was a success. That is until obummer came along and fucked it all to hell.
What part of Iraq War policy do you not understand? I never said anything about not going into Iraq -- but Trump did...does that bother you? No..because Trump said it..
You don't get respect for being a sycophant -- you cant simultaneously try to defend the Iraq War while looking the other way when Trump blatantly tells you how stupid Bush was for going to Iraq
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 18, 2018, 07:15:00 AM
You just lost the debate with this bit of revisionist history -- To pretend to not know that Trump was part of the birther movement -- yet be an informed conservative is the epitome of intellectual dishonesty.
So now you've resorted to calling me a liar? I don't watch TV, I had no interest in Trump, never watched his speeches because in mind he was still a NY Dem who just joined the GOP to run for office. I saw him as a fraud, so I paid no attention to a single thing he had to say because I saw him as a carpetbagging liar out to split the party and give Hillary the win.
Yes, I was dead wrong, and by God, I'm glad I was, and that he won, and no, I did not vote for him, I wrote in Cruz.
So screw you and the sheep you rode in on.
QuoteWhat has the GOP done to show Wall St they can no longer buy our politicians or have their lobbyists write our financial regulations? ZERO
I have already made peace with the fact that Wall St will always own our politicians, so as long as they continue to cut taxes, cut entitlement spending and roll back Civil Rights legislation, I am fine.
Which has zero to do with what I just stated!
QuoteQuick question, who did you support in the 2008 & 2012 republican primary? And would you be caught dead pushing for any of them to be president if we didn't have Trump?
There is a reason we keep having bad candidates, because we as a base will always keep supporting whoever they tell us to -- we went all in for whatever candidate they put up like they were the greatest thing since sliced bread -- only to look silly later when we went on about how they weren't true conservatives...
Jeez, you have a serious comprehension issue. I just stated why the GOP keeps losing elections. Wake up!
QuoteThose RINOS you are talking about all had 95% or above voting records by so called conservative watchdog groups -- the reason most of them are exiting is more about style than policy, since the majority of Trump's policies are run of the mill GOP policies. I am glad those people are retiring, because they refuse to go all in for Trump and we need to have politicians who will stand by Trump no matter what.
I'd love to see these so-called ""conservative watchdog groups" you speak of. Because to my knowledge,, there are but two credible ones.
One being: https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/ And the other:
http://acuratings.conservative.org/acu-federal-legislative-ratings/?year1=2017&chamber=13&state1=57&sortable=1
Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2018, 07:39:10 AM
So now you've resorted to calling me a liar? I don't watch TV, I had no interest in Trump, never watched his speeches because in mind he was still a NY Dem who just joined the GOP to run for office.
Yes, I am calling you either dishonest or woefully ignorant -- if you expect me to believe that you didn't know Trump was the face of the birther movement until he joined the GOP -- because he joined the GOP long before he was part of the birther movement, he won over most of his early supporters due to his involvement in the birther movement -- but somehow you were informed about Arpaio's birther activities??
Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2018, 07:39:10 AM
Jeez, you have a serious comprehension issue. I just stated why the GOP keeps losing elections. Wake up!
No, you stated why you THINK the GOP kept losing-- and I have told you that the true reason why they had been losing -- it wasn't over policy -- it was over style.
The base wants a candidate who isn't politically correct, who doesn't just blow a dog whistle, but blows a dog trumpet -- we want to be told the things by our candidate that we tell each other candidly around the water cooler -- Trump does that -- but his policies are mostly the same policies that the base have been supporting for decades.
You also claimed that the base was fed up with how the GOP bailed out Wall Street -- so I asked you what have the GOP done to crack down on Wall St? ZERO -- and you don't hear a peep out of the base about it because no one told them to care about it, not even Trump.
Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2018, 07:39:10 AM
I'd love to see these so-called ""conservative watchdog groups" you speak of. Because to my knowledge,, there are but two credible ones.
One being: https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/ And the other:
http://acuratings.conservative.org/acu-federal-legislative-ratings/?year1=2017&chamber=13&state1=57&sortable=1
Here is the conservative review scorecard results -- I will include the scores of your boy crush, Ted Cruz and compare it to those of RINO like Jeff Flake and prove my point:
Senator Ted Cruz (TX) - 90%
Rep Matt Gaetz (FL) - 79%
Now, I found this guy's score interesting since I often hear people cheer him as a strong conservative ...Guess he is just a strong conservative in style only.
Rep Trey Gowdy (SC) 69%
Not Trey Gowdy? say it aint so -- maybe he just has the "Style" of a strong conservative because he participates in dog and pony investigations
Now you may consider this funny, Jeff Flake (Satan himself) lifetime score is 93%, his most recent score is 60% however, not because of his voting record but because he is not all in for Trump no matter what.
Which is basically my point, its not about the policies because the base will support virtually any policy Trump tells them to support -- it is about the style -- if you stay tapped into their anger and keep feeding it -- your base will support anything you put in front of them.
https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 18, 2018, 11:50:49 AM
Yes, I am calling you either dishonest or woefully ignorant -- if you expect me to believe that you didn't know Trump was the face of the birther movement until he joined the GOP -- because he joined the GOP long before he was part of the birther movement, he won over most of his early supporters due to his involvement in the birther movement -- but somehow you were informed about Arpaio's birther activities??
No, you stated why you THINK the GOP kept losing-- and I have told you that the true reason why they had been losing -- it wasn't over policy -- it was over style.
The base wants a candidate who isn't politically correct, who doesn't just blow a dog whistle, but blows a dog trumpet -- we want to be told the things by our candidate that we tell each other candidly around the water cooler -- Trump does that -- but his policies are mostly the same policies that the base have been supporting for decades.
You also claimed that the base was fed up with how the GOP bailed out Wall Street -- so I asked you what have the GOP done to crack down on Wall St? ZERO -- and you don't hear a peep out of the base about it because no one told them to care about it, not even Trump.
Here is the conservative review scorecard results -- I will include the scores of your boy crush, Ted Cruz and compare it to those of RINO like Jeff Flake and prove my point:
Senator Ted Cruz (TX) - 90%
Rep Matt Gaetz (FL) - 79%
Now, I found this guy's score interesting since I often hear people cheer him as a strong conservative ...Guess he is just a strong conservative in style only.
Rep Trey Gowdy (SC) 69%
Not Trey Gowdy? say it aint so -- maybe he just has the "Style" of a strong conservative because he participates in dog and pony investigations
Now you may consider this funny, Jeff Flake (Satan himself) lifetime score is 93%, his most recent score is 60% however, not because of his voting record but because he is not all in for Trump no matter what.
Which is basically my point, its not about the policies because the base will support virtually any policy Trump tells them to support -- it is about the style -- if you stay tapped into their anger and keep feeding it -- your base will support anything you put in front of them.
https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/
Most of us here did not support Trump because we know he is not a conservative. We were slow to embrace him as it was a wait and see approach. He has proven he is not a conservative with his populous approach. However, he has also proven he is a patriot and that is what we are as well.
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 18, 2018, 11:50:49 AM
Yes, I am calling you either dishonest or woefully ignorant -- if you expect me to believe that you didn't know Trump was the face of the birther movement until he joined the GOP -- because he joined the GOP long before he was part of the birther movement, he won over most of his early supporters due to his involvement in the birther movement -- but somehow you were informed about Arpaio's birther activities??
No, you stated why you THINK the GOP kept losing-- and I have told you that the true reason why they had been losing -- it wasn't over policy -- it was over style.
The base wants a candidate who isn't politically correct, who doesn't just blow a dog whistle, but blows a dog trumpet -- we want to be told the things by our candidate that we tell each other candidly around the water cooler -- Trump does that -- but his policies are mostly the same policies that the base have been supporting for decades.
You also claimed that the base was fed up with how the GOP bailed out Wall Street -- so I asked you what have the GOP done to crack down on Wall St? ZERO -- and you don't hear a peep out of the base about it because no one told them to care about it, not even Trump.
Here is the conservative review scorecard results -- I will include the scores of your boy crush, Ted Cruz and compare it to those of RINO like Jeff Flake and prove my point:
Senator Ted Cruz (TX) - 90%
Rep Matt Gaetz (FL) - 79%
Now, I found this guy's score interesting since I often hear people cheer him as a strong conservative ...Guess he is just a strong conservative in style only.
Rep Trey Gowdy (SC) 69%
Not Trey Gowdy? say it aint so -- maybe he just has the "Style" of a strong conservative because he participates in dog and pony investigations
Now you may consider this funny, Jeff Flake (Satan himself) lifetime score is 93%, his most recent score is 60% however, not because of his voting record but because he is not all in for Trump no matter what.
Which is basically my point, its not about the policies because the base will support virtually any policy Trump tells them to support -- it is about the style -- if you stay tapped into their anger and keep feeding it -- your base will support anything you put in front of them.
https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/
There are many on this forum who did not vote for or back president Trump as you have read. Many of us look forward to voting for him in 2020 because of what he has accomplished, not because of his style. He has not changed from 2016 when we did not back him to 2020, his accomplishments say it all.
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 07:17:59 AM
Bush was considered a businessman too -- a globalist one -- just like Trump is -- globalism is only bad if the person you are calling a globalist is someone we already don't like.
Again my point is -- if we are so quick to shut up and silence our opposition just because he is "our leader" -- we will guarantee ourselves that we will get another "bush" or variation thereof in the future.
Only way to stop trump from being an anomaly is to demand that every politician from the city council level to the national level is Trumpian in their own style of governing -- I doubt Trump himself is responsible for much of the policy proposals -- those are still in the capable hands of conservative think tanks (Heritage foundation, ALEC) -- what we need are Trumpian politicians at all levels to tap into the anger of America and harness it against libs and RINOS until they are vanquished
If we can keep that up for ten years time -- we would have changed so much of the structural mechanisms of government that no lib or moderate republican can mess it up -- Roe V Wade, dead, Affirmative Action, dead, Gay Rights agenda, dead -- we can firmly solidify our country's rightful place on the political spectrum as a Christian conservative country --- no matter how many gays, libs, minorities try to claim otherwise.
Are you saying President Trump is a globalist?
Quote from: taxed on July 18, 2018, 02:06:31 PM
Are you saying President Trump is a globalist?
First I need to you define what a globalist is -- because I am becoming increasingly aware that many who throw that word around is not aware of what it means.
Let's go with the standard definition:
glob·al·ist
a person who advocates the interpretation or planning of economic and foreign policy in relation to events and developments throughout the world.Now let's take Trump's strange move to step in and intervene on behalf of a Chinese company that we deemed a national security threat -- in regards to the definition of globalist I gave you, you tell me is that globalist or anti-globalist?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/13/business/trump-vows-to-save-jobs-at-chinas-zte-lost-after-us-sanctions.html
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 18, 2018, 11:50:49 AM
Yes, I am calling you either dishonest or woefully ignorant -- if you expect me to believe that you didn't know Trump was the face of the birther movement until he joined the GOP -- because he joined the GOP long before he was part of the birther movement, he won over most of his early supporters due to his involvement in the birther movement -- but somehow you were informed about Arpaio's birther activities??
No, you stated why you THINK the GOP kept losing-- and I have told you that the true reason why they had been losing -- it wasn't over policy -- it was over style.
OK, you're an Idiot!
Why is it so hard to understand that not everyone watches TV? I despised Trump, so why would I even follow the guy?
Here's what I stated, it is not whhat I think, its what I KNOW TO BE FACT!
Yes, we did lose the WH, but you can blame the GOP for that, they ran another RINO, and apparently being a Mormon played a part according to much of what I read at the time.
But just like McStain, the GOP was notorious for shitting on the base and running total losers that didn't give a shit about the Constitution.
QuoteThe base wants a candidate who isn't politically correct, who doesn't just blow a dog whistle, but blows a dog trumpet -- we want to be told the things by our candidate that we tell each other candidly around the water cooler -- Trump does that -- but his policies are mostly the same policies that the base have been supporting for decades.
Style? No, we want Conservatives, why is that so hard to understand?
Trump is unique in this way, but Reagan never got in their face, he didn't have to, his actions were like flaming arrows and the base loved it.
QuoteYou also claimed that the base was fed up with how the GOP bailed out Wall Street -- so I asked you what have the GOP done to crack down on Wall St? ZERO -- and you don't hear a peep out of the base about it because no one told them to care about it, not even Trump.
We were all over it, the base was pissed that it was McStain that led the charge for the bailout, which is what killed a McStains political career in the eyes of Conservatives.
I don't where you were when all of this was taking place, unless you were just watching TV where leftist media has always protected the loser, but the base was pissed to no end and we never forgave him.
Here is the conservative review scorecard results -- I will include the scores of your boy crush, Ted Cruz and compare it to those of RINO like Jeff Flake and prove my point:
Here is what you said:
QuoteThose RINOS you are talking about all had 95% or above voting records by so called conservative watchdog groups -- the reason most of them are exiting is more about style than policy, since the majority of Trump's policies are run of the mill GOP policies. I am glad those people are retiring, because they refuse to go all in for Trump and we need to have politicians who will stand by Trump no matter what.
There you go again with that "Style" bullshit, it has zero to do with style, it has everything to do with either corruption and or, the fact that they know they haven't a snowflakes chance in hell of getting reelected.
Some are just sick of politics.
Here is what I was talking about, and no, Cruz is not on the list.
Retiring Senate Republicans
Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tennessee
Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Arizona
Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah
Retiring House Republicans
Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas
Rep. John Duncan, R-Tennessee
Rep. Blake Farenthold, R-Texas
Rep. Rodney P. Frelinghuysen, R-New Jersey
Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Virginia
Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-South Carolina
Rep. Gregg Harper, R-Mississippi
Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-California
Rep. Lynn Jenkins, R-Kansas
Rep. Sam Johnson, R-Texas
Rep. Frank LoBiondo, R-New Jersey
Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas
Rep. Dave Reichert, R-Washington
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Florida
Rep. Ed Royce, R-California
Rep. Bill Shuster, R-Pennsylvania
Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas
Rep. Dave Trott, R-Michigan
Rep. Tom Rooney, R-Florida
Rep. Ryan Costello, R-Pennsylvania
Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisconsin
Rep. Dennis Ross, R-Florida
Rep. Tom Garrett, R-Virginia
House Republicans who have resigned or will resign
Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah
Rep. Trent Franks, R-Arizona
Rep. Patrick Meehan, R-Pennsylvania
Rep. Tim Murphy, R-Pennsylvania
Rep. Pat Tiberi, R-Ohio
Rep. Charlie Dent, R-Pennsylvania
Senator Ted Cruz (TX) - 90%
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republicans-leaving-congress-retiring-2018/
QuoteRep Matt Gaetz (FL) - 79%
Now, I found this guy's score interesting since I often hear people cheer him as a strong conservative ...Guess he is just a strong conservative in style only.
Rep Trey Gowdy (SC) 69%
Not Trey Gowdy? say it aint so -- maybe he just has the "Style" of a strong conservative because he participates in dog and pony investigations
Now you may consider this funny, Jeff Flake (Satan himself) lifetime score is 93%, his most recent score is 60% however, not because of his voting record but because he is not all in for Trump no matter what.
Which is basically my point, its not about the policies because the base will support virtually any policy Trump tells them to support -- it is about the style -- if you stay tapped into their anger and keep feeding it -- your base will support anything you put in front of them.
https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/
As to Gowdy, he took a position where he thinks he can accomplish more.
So I can only assume you think Flake got a D rating because that's how you "FEEL" about it, rather than take the time to actually look at his failed voting record?
Look for yourself.
https://pdfgenerator.conservativereview.com/pdf/400134.pdf#page=1
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 18, 2018, 02:36:36 PM
First I need to you define what a globalist is -- because I am becoming increasingly aware that many who throw that word around is not aware of what it means.
Let's go with the standard definition:
glob·al·ist
a person who advocates the interpretation or planning of economic and foreign policy in relation to events and developments throughout the world.
Now let's take Trump's strange move to step in and intervene on behalf of a Chinese company that we deemed a national security threat -- in regards to the definition of globalist I gave you, you tell me is that globalist or anti-globalist?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/13/business/trump-vows-to-save-jobs-at-chinas-zte-lost-after-us-sanctions.html
Clinton is a Globalist as is the Bush regime, Trump, by comparison, is not a Globalist.
Why are we still talking about Bush. He is so yesterdays news ??
Quote from: stewball on July 18, 2018, 04:58:19 PM
Why are we still talking about Bush. He is so yesterdays news ??
And that thought makes me happy. :biggrin:
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 18, 2018, 12:22:53 PM
Most of us here did not support Trump because we know he is not a conservative. We were slow to embrace him as it was a wait and see approach. He has proven he is not a conservative with his populous approach. However, he has also proven he is a patriot and that is what we are as well.
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On the mark w/brevity and articulation.
An anecdote about Anne McLeod, Trump's Scottish mother
who described him as "an incorrigible brat" in her bio.
She sent him to military school as an early teenager.
Obviously nothing has changed, for this self described 'stable genius'.
Those who observe and reflect; acquire wisdom as they age.
Trump, a compulsive yapper, does neither and the results are apparent.
There's real danger here for principled conservatives who understand our
perilous politics w/the establishment is in a frenzy for his ouster; as an
undisciplined Trump continues to careen from one embarrassment to another.
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 18, 2018, 02:36:36 PM
First I need to you define what a globalist is -- because I am becoming increasingly aware that many who throw that word around is not aware of what it means.
Let's go with the standard definition:
glob·al·ist
a person who advocates the interpretation or planning of economic and foreign policy in relation to events and developments throughout the world.
Now let's take Trump's strange move to step in and intervene on behalf of a Chinese company that we deemed a national security threat -- in regards to the definition of globalist I gave you, you tell me is that globalist or anti-globalist?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/13/business/trump-vows-to-save-jobs-at-chinas-zte-lost-after-us-sanctions.html
Where did you find this definition ?
I like how it conveniently swings toward "any kind of country / system" that's responding to global things.
Sorry, that's not accurate in the least.
A globalist is one who advocates for a single global government. Oh, ya know, UN - EU - World Court - World Bank sort of thing.
Why does being dishonest, sneaky, shady, always have to be what you lead with ?
The globalist agenda was born after the Great War w/the League of Nations
heralding the Wilsonian cry; "Save the World for Democracy".
Despite the piety, nothing changed, as the 20th century was the deadliest in
the history of Mankind.
Quote from: AndyJackson on July 19, 2018, 02:42:37 PM
Where did you find this definition ?
I like how it conveniently swings toward "any kind of country / system" that's responding to global things.
Sorry, that's not accurate in the least.
A globalist is one who advocates for a single global government. Oh, ya know, UN - EU - World Court - World Bank sort of thing.
Why does being dishonest, sneaky, shady, always have to be what you lead with ?
The Poster Child of Globalists is none other than, Soros.
Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2018, 03:34:21 PM
The Poster Child of Globalists is none other than, Soros.
I just love their never-ending efforts to redefine all words, to help them get away with various dumb things.
Yeh, sure, a globalist is one who watches the globe.
I keep asking Army Dave ..... how can you just be ridiculous, and look everyone in the eye like you're not ?
Where has the dignity and self respect gone ? I guess when you spend all your time advocating for sloth, theft, lying, groveling, victimhood ..... things like dignity just end up atrophying.
Quote from: AndyJackson on July 19, 2018, 04:05:02 PM
I just love their never-ending efforts to redefine all words, to help them get away with various dumb things.
Yeh, sure, a globalist is one who watches the globe.
I keep asking Army Dave ..... how can you just be ridiculous, and look everyone in the eye like you're not ?
Where has the dignity and self respect gone ? I guess when you spend all your time advocating for sloth, theft, lying, groveling, victimhood ..... things like dignity just end up atrophying.
This is the difference between Conservatives and the other people.