Question For Bush Supporters

Started by Biff_Poindexter, July 17, 2018, 05:41:15 AM

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I never supported Bush, he wasn't conservative and hard line enough -- compassionate conservative sounds like a liberal who wants tax cuts for themselves but also run up government spending. I was solidified in my opposition to Bush after the monstrosity of the Patriot Act was conceived, preying on the fears of Americans.

I see many former Bush supporters who are now rabid Trump supporters and I struggle to understand how one could have been both. I also personally know plenty current Trump supporters who basically worshipped Bush -- but now they pretend they never really liked Bush all along, but my memory says different.

When I confront these former bush sycophants -- they usually tell me that they ONLY supported Bush because he was from their team, so even if they personally don't agree with him, they still pretend to be all for Bush and everything he does so they don't appear to be in agreement with libs.

So my question to you former Bush supporters who are now on the Trump train -- why did you wait so long to oppose Bush and why are we true Trump supporters suppose to believe you are for Trump now? Far as we know, years from now, you may try to pretend you were never for Trump once the political winds shift.

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Not really certain as to the point of this post considering Bush was just another in a long line of Establishment picks.
The gop' Establishment seized the party from the conservatives, became the enemy of the base and only allowed the RINO they wanted to run, eg. McStain, the Maverick, as the LSM called him in hopes of helping him become our choice for POTUS, knowing full well the base would reject his worthless ass, and we did.

The GOP was never about winning, they were always happy to be the party out of power, this way they could suck the taxpayer dry in support of their crony capitalist friends and claim, "It was the Dims Fault, They're the ones in Power".
Like giving Obozo the biggest omnibus Bill in history, then blame the Dims for the deficit.

Point is, GW was our only option at the time, but that all changed in 2010 when TEA stole the narrative and began its assault on the leftists in both party's.
We have not let up since.
The party's played this game for decades, whereby they offer up a candidate that wins because the nation wants change from the last fuck up.
LBJ gave us Nixon, a RINO, which gave us Carter a leftist, which ushered in Reagan a Conservative, but the GOP had burned Reagan by forcing Bush on him as VP and setting the stage for the next 30 years of failure.

This brings us to the current political climate, Trump, the GOP ran a bunch of leftists against Trump, and each and every one of them was rejected hands down, once they realized it came down to Cruz or Trump, they opted for trump because they despised the idea of a Conservative, because the last time that happened, we got Reagan and that scares the shit out of them, so they screwed Cruz and gave us Trump.

Point is, Bush was not Presidential material, but they saw a chance at building a RINO dynasty like the left did with the Kennedy's, but the country despised what the party was offering up and demanded change.
Both party's have been playing their constituency like sheep for the slaughter and the country is rejecting this process, the Conservative base has the GOP Establishment in its death throes, while on the left, their base literally up and abandoned them and it too is on its last leg, only the Dim party is dead for all intents and purposes, if not for its leftist media and the gOP'' need for an enemy to blame for their own misdeeds, the Dim party wouldn't even exist, but these two entities are keeping it on life support.

Anyway, one thing Bush did do for us? He exposed the GOP for the leftists they are by giving both party's anything they asked for and the base would not settle again.
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Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 05:41:15 AM
I never supported Bush, he wasn't conservative and hard line enough -- compassionate conservative sounds like a liberal who wants tax cuts for themselves but also run up government spending. I was solidified in my opposition to Bush after the monstrosity of the Patriot Act was conceived, preying on the fears of Americans.

I see many former Bush supporters who are now rabid Trump supporters and I struggle to understand how one could have been both. I also personally know plenty current Trump supporters who basically worshipped Bush -- but now they pretend they never really liked Bush all along, but my memory says different.

When I confront these former bush sycophants -- they usually tell me that they ONLY supported Bush because he was from their team, so even if they personally don't agree with him, they still pretend to be all for Bush and everything he does so they don't appear to be in agreement with libs.

So my question to you former Bush supporters who are now on the Trump train -- why did you wait so long to oppose Bush and why are we true Trump supporters suppose to believe you are for Trump now? Far as we know, years from now, you may try to pretend you were never for Trump once the political winds shift.
I have not seen yet a rabid president Trump supporter who supported Bush. We put up with Bush because there was nothing else. After 9/11 the support for Bush grew, but when attacked it is common to circle the wagons.

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Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 05:41:15 AM
I never supported Bush, he wasn't conservative and hard line enough -- compassionate conservative sounds like a liberal who wants tax cuts for themselves but also run up government spending. I was solidified in my opposition to Bush after the monstrosity of the Patriot Act was conceived, preying on the fears of Americans.

I see many former Bush supporters who are now rabid Trump supporters and I struggle to understand how one could have been both. I also personally know plenty current Trump supporters who basically worshipped Bush -- but now they pretend they never really liked Bush all along, but my memory says different.

When I confront these former bush sycophants -- they usually tell me that they ONLY supported Bush because he was from their team, so even if they personally don't agree with him, they still pretend to be all for Bush and everything he does so they don't appear to be in agreement with libs.

So my question to you former Bush supporters who are now on the Trump train -- why did you wait so long to oppose Bush and why are we true Trump supporters suppose to believe you are for Trump now? Far as we know, years from now, you may try to pretend you were never for Trump once the political winds shift.

I'll take that.

First, I was a Bush supporter that includes the war on Terrorism and invading Iraq, I still support him on both issues. I did not WORSHIP Bush....I tolerated him because he was better than that blazing moron Gore and that Clown Kerry.

As for Trump, I didn't vote for him, I supported Ted Cruz, I was angry that my State wouldn't let me write in Ted so I didnt bother to vote. To be honest I thought Hillary was going to win due to DEMOCRAT CHEATING....the FIX WAS IN. So why bother.

I now see how WRONG I was not to vote for Trump and he has my full support for a number of reasons. One of those reasons is I see the extremes to which the Establishment and "deep state" is going to destabilize the country and his Presidency.  I'm more than disturbed, I'm mad as hell at these Bastards. That includes Bush, the whole Bush family, I never liked Bush the Elder  because of his "read my lips no new taxes", also the folly of not taking out Saddam and bowing to the corrupt UN when he had the chance. fitting that "Iraq" caused his Son so much trouble years later.

Now I hear this idiot Jeb support illegal aliens and even Bush the Second chide Trump for his support for OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS and I think to myself you Fkg HYPOCRITes  W was the one who used the immigration laws to correctly throw out hundreds if not thousands of Suspected Terrorists after 9/11, we still have those ME fiends sneaking into our country from the southern border and BUSH Supports that?

Trump is a businessman, first and foremost, I've always said I want to see a businessman run the country because it would be good for the country. That has so far proven true. So Trump will continue to have my support and the deep state will continue to have my ire for their sedition and mutiny.

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Quote from: s3779m on July 17, 2018, 06:21:39 AM
I have not seen yet a rabid president Trump supporter who supported Bush. We put up with Bush because there was nothing else. After 9/11 the support for Bush grew, but when attacked it is common to circle the wagons.
Revisionist history --- there is a difference between putting up with a president and going all in for a president -- we called people traitors for simply opposing Bush's Iraq war policy -- when any sane person should have been opposing the Iraq war policy..

We call people traitors for speaking out against the Patriot Act -- saying they were on the side of the terrorists -- that is high level cult like behavior

Now these same folks openly admit the Iraq War was a clusterfuck from the beginning and how Bush was always a globalist blah blah -- we knew that then, so again, my question is, how come so many said nothing??

How can you truly expect ANY leader to be held accountable if we are always so willing to say nothing -- just to worship the one in power -- because Trump, for as great as a man he is -- won't always be the one in power

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Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 17, 2018, 06:50:15 AM
I'll take that.

First, I was a Bush supporter that includes the war on Terrorism and invading Iraq, I still support him on both issues. I did not WORSHIP Bush....I tolerated him because he was better than that blazing moron Gore and that Clown Kerry.

As for Trump, I didn't vote for him, I supported Ted Cruz, I was angry that my State wouldn't let me write in Ted so I didnt bother to vote. To be honest I thought Hillary was going to win due to DEMOCRAT CHEATING....the FIX WAS IN. So why bother.

I now see how WRONG I was not to vote for Trump and he has my full support for a number of reasons. One of those reasons is I see the extremes to which the Establishment and "deep state" is going to destabilize the country and his Presidency.  I'm more than disturbed, I'm mad as hell at these Bastards. That includes Bush, the whole Bush family, I never liked Bush the Elder  because of his "read my lips no new taxes", also the folly of not taking out Saddam and bowing to the corrupt UN when he had the chance. fitting that "Iraq" caused his Son so much trouble years later.

Now I hear this idiot Jeb support illegal aliens and even Bush the Second chide Trump for his support for OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS and I think to myself you Fkg HYPOCRITes  W was the one who used the immigration laws to correctly throw out hundreds if not thousands of Suspected Terrorists after 9/11, we still have those ME fiends sneaking into our country from the southern border and BUSH Supports that?

Trump is a businessman, first and foremost, I've always said I want to see a businessman run the country because it would be good for the country. That has so far proven true. So Trump will continue to have my support and the deep state will continue to have my ire for their sedition and mutiny.

Any Questions?   Thanks.

Bush was considered a businessman too -- a globalist one -- just like Trump is -- globalism is only bad if the person you are calling a globalist is someone we already don't like.

Again my point is -- if we are so quick to shut up and silence our opposition just because he is "our leader" -- we will guarantee ourselves that we will get another "bush" or variation thereof in the future.

Only way to stop trump from being an anomaly is to demand that every politician from the city council level to the national level is Trumpian in their own style of governing -- I doubt Trump himself is responsible for much of the policy proposals -- those are still in the capable hands of conservative think tanks (Heritage foundation, ALEC) -- what we need are Trumpian politicians at all levels to tap into the anger of America and harness it against libs and RINOS until they are vanquished

If we can keep that up for ten years time -- we would have changed so much of the structural mechanisms of government that no lib or moderate republican can mess it up -- Roe V Wade, dead, Affirmative Action, dead, Gay Rights agenda, dead -- we can firmly solidify our country's rightful place on the political spectrum as a Christian conservative country --- no matter how many gays, libs, minorities try to claim otherwise.

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Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 17, 2018, 06:50:15 AM
I'll take that.

First, I was a Bush supporter that includes the war on Terrorism and invading Iraq, I still support him on both issues. I did not WORSHIP Bush....I tolerated him because he was better than that blazing moron Gore and that Clown Kerry.

As for Trump, I didn't vote for him, I supported Ted Cruz, I was angry that my State wouldn't let me write in Ted so I didnt bother to vote. To be honest I thought Hillary was going to win due to DEMOCRAT CHEATING....the FIX WAS IN. So why bother.

I now see how WRONG I was not to vote for Trump and he has my full support for a number of reasons. One of those reasons is I see the extremes to which the Establishment and "deep state" is going to destabilize the country and his Presidency.  I'm more than disturbed, I'm mad as hell at these Bastards. That includes Bush, the whole Bush family, I never liked Bush the Elder  because of his "read my lips no new taxes", also the folly of not taking out Saddam and bowing to the corrupt UN when he had the chance. fitting that "Iraq" caused his Son so much trouble years later.

Now I hear this idiot Jeb support illegal aliens and even Bush the Second chide Trump for his support for OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS and I think to myself you Fkg HYPOCRITes  W was the one who used the immigration laws to correctly throw out hundreds if not thousands of Suspected Terrorists after 9/11, we still have those ME fiends sneaking into our country from the southern border and BUSH Supports that?

Trump is a businessman, first and foremost, I've always said I want to see a businessman run the country because it would be good for the country. That has so far proven true. So Trump will continue to have my support and the deep state will continue to have my ire for their sedition and mutiny.

Any Questions?   Thanks.

My thoughts exactly! Thanks for posting.  :thumbup:
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Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 07:09:51 AM
Revisionist history --- there is a difference between putting up with a president and going all in for a president -- we called people traitors for simply opposing Bush's Iraq war policy -- when any sane person should have been opposing the Iraq war policy..
You did? I never heard that, anyway, I only run in Conservative circles and none of them were so duped as to believe that shit.

QuoteWe call people traitors for speaking out against the Patriot Act -- saying they were on the side of the terrorists -- that is high level cult like behavior
Man, where were you posting, at the DU? The GOP base was totally against the idea of the PA and still are to this day, nothing has changed. We think airport security is a complete joke and think all passengers should be armed.

QuoteNow these same folks openly admit the Iraq War was a clusterfuck from the beginning and how Bush was always a globalist blah blah -- we knew that then, so again, my question is, how come so many said nothing??
You seem to have a bad habit of painting with a broad brush when you seem to lump everyone on the Right, completely ignoring the fact that the entire Dim party supported the Iraq invasion with the exception of one Dim.

QuoteHow can you truly expect ANY leader to be held accountable if we are always so willing to say nothing -- just to worship the one in power -- because Trump, for as great as a man he is -- won't always be the one in power

Trump in no way is cut from the same cloth as your run of the mill Pol, in fact, whoever Trump anoints will have a great chance of keeping Trump's policies alive, and totally screwing the GOP, which I welcome, because the sooner we steal the party, the better off this country will be.
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Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 07:17:59 AM
Bush was considered a businessman too -- a globalist one -- just like Trump is -- globalism is only bad if the person you are calling a globalist is someone we already don't like.
Wait, are you comparing Trump to Bush because of the Bush families crony corporate connections, somehow conflates to Trump's worldwide enterprises? :lol:

QuoteAgain my point is -- if we are so quick to shut up and silence our opposition just because he is "our leader" -- we will guarantee ourselves that we will get another "bush" or variation thereof in the future.
Ah, I see, just because you refused to speak out against, you turn around and blame everyone else for your failures?
Do you even realise what you just said?


QuoteOnly way to stop trump from being an anomaly is to demand that every politician from the city council level to the national level is Trumpian in their own style of governing -- I doubt Trump himself is responsible for much of the policy proposals -- those are still in the capable hands of conservative think tanks (Heritage foundation, ALEC) -- what we need are Trumpian politicians at all levels to tap into the anger of America and harness it against libs and RINOS until they are vanquished

You have that backward, it was Trump that recognized the ire of the nation and the GOP base. Trump didn't just stumble onto the scene, he was chosen years ago.

QuoteIf we can keep that up for ten years time -- we would have changed so much of the structural mechanisms of government that no lib or moderate republican can mess it up -- Roe V Wade, dead, Affirmative Action, dead, Gay Rights agenda, dead -- we can firmly solidify our country's rightful place on the political spectrum as a Christian conservative country --- no matter how many gays, libs, minorities try to claim otherwise.

These are changes that GGovt has no business messing with. We're in this mess because of govt and now you want govt to interfere once again, no, this is only solved through cultural change by the people.
The idea is to shrink govt back to its Founding, where the States decide. As in the 10th Amendment.
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Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 07:09:51 AM
Revisionist history --- there is a difference between putting up with a president and going all in for a president -- we called people traitors for simply opposing Bush's Iraq war policy -- when any sane person should have been opposing the Iraq war policy..

We call people traitors for speaking out against the Patriot Act -- saying they were on the side of the terrorists -- that is high level cult like behavior

Now these same folks openly admit the Iraq War was a clusterfuck from the beginning and how Bush was always a globalist blah blah -- we knew that then, so again, my question is, how come so many said nothing??

How can you truly expect ANY leader to be held accountable if we are always so willing to say nothing -- just to worship the one in power -- because Trump, for as great as a man he is -- won't always be the one in power
All I see from you is a bunch of generic bullshit.

I voted for and liked GWB as a devout, seemingly patriotic guy, who seemed like just a very decent fellow.  In the end, I learned that he was more part of a dynasty instead, and more like the hyper selfish guys like McCain, Boehner, Ryan, Corker, Flake, Alexander, etc.  GWB ends up stained by the RINO's that he enabled, who carried on after him.

I still think that GWB is the most credible, sincere one of the Bushes.  GHWB seems more like Joe Kennedy or Joe Jackson (Michael's father lol) these days, and little Jebbers looks more like a ghost or hologram of GHWB.  The other brother I think was caught up in the 80's S&L crimes.  No dynasty for you !

So far, all Trump has done is to make shit better, whether economically, ethically in the federal govt, or in making war a little less likely with our previous sworn enemies.

He also ended the dem party for the most part.  I'll take all that, and have no need to bitch and moan.

AndyJackson

Oh, and GWB kept us from having to live through a presidency of Gore or Kerry.

He deserves as much credit for that as Trump gets for ending Hill-Billy and Barry & Moomoo.

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Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2018, 08:05:21 AM
Wait, are you comparing Trump to Bush because of the Bush families crony corporate connections, somehow conflates to Trump's worldwide enterprises? :lol:
Ah, I see, just because you refused to speak out against, you turn around and blame everyone else for your failures?
Do you even realise what you just said?


You have that backward, it was Trump that recognized the ire of the nation and the GOP base. Trump didn't just stumble onto the scene, he was chosen years ago.

These are changes that GGovt has no business messing with. We're in this mess because of govt and now you want govt to interfere once again, no, this is only solved through cultural change by the people.
The idea is to shrink govt back to its Founding, where the States decide. As in the 10th Amendment.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

its only government interference when you don't agree with what government is doing -- lets not pretend that we want NO government involvement in anything. We definitely do when it comes to implementing Christian conservative values.

and I agree, when Trump appointed himself the figurehead of the birther movement..he tapped into the anger of the Birther movement, he was smart in riding that anger all the way to the white house -- and he needs to continue to tap that anger -- there is plenty to be upset about -- and no one should be made to feel ashamed of being part of that birther movement -- and to Trump's credit, he never alienated those people.

He is also smart to align himself with Putin because no other government is doing more to support ethno-nationalist politicians who would put the rights of their own European citizens first instead of the rights of cultural infiltrators and illegals.

but your earlier claims of the GOP base being against the patriot Act is not substantiated -- since the PA passed with not one single republican voting against it.

Also, your earlier claims of how most conservatives was against the way the Iraq war was conducted -- that also is not substantiated by the facts -- as for just voting to authorize the president to go to war in Iraq -- I will give anyone who voted that a pass since we were so expertly fear-mongered into that position -- but even for that, only 6 republicans in the house voted against it, in comparison to 126 democrats who voted against it, but they are against America anyway, so who cares. In the Senate, only one republican voted against it, 21 democrats voted against it.

That level of obedience to Bush is what set the tone for all of the other bush proposals that lost conservatives the White House for 8 years. To try to revise that history to make yourself feel better is how you end up repeating it.

Biff_Poindexter

Quote from: AndyJackson on July 17, 2018, 08:31:49 AM
Oh, and GWB kept us from having to live through a presidency of Gore or Kerry.

He deserves as much credit for that as Trump gets for ending Hill-Billy and Barry & Moomoo.
If that is something to give a president credit for -- that is very low bar

Do you give Clinton credit for cutting short a George HW presidency?

I tend to base the success of a president on larger things than being happy the other side didn't win -- hell, if that is the case -- we should be happy Obama was the first to beat Hillary before Trump did.

supsalemgr

Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 09:26:52 AM
If that is something to give a president credit for -- that is very low bar

Do you give Clinton credit for cutting short a George HW presidency?

I tend to base the success of a president on larger things than being happy the other side didn't win -- hell, if that is the case -- we should be happy Obama was the first to beat Hillary before Trump did.

Clinton did not cut short GHW, GHW did it by rejecting the Reagan coattails he rode in on.
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Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 17, 2018, 05:41:15 AM
I never supported Bush, he wasn't conservative and hard line enough -- compassionate conservative sounds like a liberal who wants tax cuts for themselves but also run up government spending. I was solidified in my opposition to Bush after the monstrosity of the Patriot Act was conceived, preying on the fears of Americans.

I see many former Bush supporters who are now rabid Trump supporters and I struggle to understand how one could have been both. I also personally know plenty current Trump supporters who basically worshipped Bush -- but now they pretend they never really liked Bush all along, but my memory says different.

When I confront these former bush sycophants -- they usually tell me that they ONLY supported Bush because he was from their team, so even if they personally don't agree with him, they still pretend to be all for Bush and everything he does so they don't appear to be in agreement with libs.

So my question to you former Bush supporters who are now on the Trump train -- why did you wait so long to oppose Bush and why are we true Trump supporters suppose to believe you are for Trump now? Far as we know, years from now, you may try to pretend you were never for Trump once the political winds shift.

For myself i was just a kid in high school bushes first term so i didnt know shit. I hadnt even heard terms like rino or establishment. I knew libs were bad and cons were for things i agreed with. I knew there were 2 parties and that libs voted dem and cons voted gop, so i thought everyone in those parties believed the same things. I didnt understand all the different sub groups and ideas, or that there were dissenters. I just assumed bush was conservative because he was in the gop, nuff said, said my inexperianced teen mind.

I was stunned when bush proposed the bailout after the crash, right at the end of his term. Why wld someone who is supposedly a champion of capitalism not allow the markets to correct the problem?

I remember being confused by the patriot act, but was fooled into supporting it cuz the dems opposed it, but heres the rub, they only opposed it because bush pushed it. The PA is actually right up liberals ally, yet they opposed simply because it was bush. Well their trick worked on my young brain and i backed bush. Well i suppose it was a joint trick by both the dims and the gop'e, but it took me half a decade or more to figure this out. The establishment fog was much stronger back then.
It was during obamas years that i wised up.
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