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Started by Dubinsky, July 03, 2016, 07:17:54 AM

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Dubinsky

Realizing that there is no difference between Trump and Hillary, and while it's becoming increasingly clearer that she won't be indicted, is it still the best strategy to write in Cruz?  I, like all of you am disgusted always having to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two of evils but when all is said and done, and the emotions are taken out of the equation, do we really want a President Hillary Clinton?

The reason I raise this is that maybe it's possible that with Trump those like Cruz and Lee for example, will at least have Trump's attention and perhaps he would even listen to them, whereas Hillary will NEVER seek any opinion from any conservative.

So I guess what I'm saying in a nutshell is access to the next president, by conservatives better with the slime-ball Trump than with Hillary?

Just curious to hear what everyone thinks.  For the record, I still plan on writing in Cruz, but again is this the best strategy?

mdgiles

Quote from: Dubinsky on July 03, 2016, 07:17:54 AM
Realizing that there is no difference between Trump and Hillary, and while it's becoming increasingly clearer that she won't be indicted, is it still the best strategy to write in Cruz?  I, like all of you am disgusted always having to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two of evils but when all is said and done, and the emotions are taken out of the equation, do we really want a President Hillary Clinton?

The reason I raise this is that maybe it's possible that with Trump those like Cruz and Lee for example, will at least have Trump's attention and perhaps he would even listen to them, whereas Hillary will NEVER seek any opinion from any conservative.

So I guess what I'm saying in a nutshell is access to the next president, by conservatives better with the slime-ball Trump than with Hillary?

Just curious to hear what everyone thinks.  For the record, I still plan on writing in Cruz, but again is this the best strategy?
Trump listens to no one, except those strange voices in his head.
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

walkstall

Quote from: Dubinsky on July 03, 2016, 07:17:54 AM
Realizing that there is no difference between Trump and Hillary, and while it's becoming increasingly clearer that she won't be indicted, is it still the best strategy to write in Cruz?  I, like all of you am disgusted always having to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two of evils but when all is said and done, and the emotions are taken out of the equation, do we really want a President Hillary Clinton?

The reason I raise this is that maybe it's possible that with Trump those like Cruz and Lee for example, will at least have Trump's attention and perhaps he would even listen to them, whereas Hillary will NEVER seek any opinion from any conservative.

So I guess what I'm saying in a nutshell is access to the next president, by conservatives better with the slime-ball Trump than with Hillary?

Just curious to hear what everyone thinks.  For the record, I still plan on writing in Cruz, but again is this the best strategy?


For me at my age I don't have long to live.  This is the year I stand my ground and not hold my nose and vote.  We now have two party's that is right now really just one party.  The RINO's have control right now.  Both candidates running for president are demarcates.  At best Trump is a RINO.  I don't plan on writing in Cruz, I WILL WRITING IN Ted Cruz!  We will see IF the MSM will tell the world how many people voted to save the U.S. from it downward spiral. 

For me it taking a stand now as my grandkids and my great grandkids as they can not pay the debt that being push off on them. They will know I am voting for a way of life for them.  That I can live with.   Just my way of thinking...
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

walkstall

Quote from: mdgiles on July 03, 2016, 07:43:01 AM
Trump listens to no one, except those strange voices in his head.

I keep telling Trump he need to pull his head out of his ass.   :biggrin:
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Dubinsky

Quote from: walkstall on July 03, 2016, 08:02:06 AM

For me at my age I don't have long to live.  This is the year I stand my ground and not hold my nose and vote.  We now have two party's that is right now really just one party.  The RINO's have control right now.  Both candidates running for president are demarcates.  At best Trump is a RINO.  I don't plan on writing in Cruz, I WILL WRITING IN Ted Cruz!  We will see IF the MSM will tell the world how many people voted to save the U.S. from it downward spiral. 

For me it taking a stand now as my grandkids and my great grandkids as they can not pay the debt that being push off on them. They will know I am voting for a way of life for them.  That I can live with.   Just my way of thinking...

You're not alone in that way of thinking.  I'm with you.  I was just curious to see if anyone thought there was anything to gain by the "access angle".  I heard someone mention it elsewhere. :thumbsup:

Double D

Quote from: Dubinsky on July 03, 2016, 07:17:54 AM
Realizing that there is no difference between Trump and Hillary, and while it's becoming increasingly clearer that she won't be indicted, is it still the best strategy to write in Cruz?  I, like all of you am disgusted always having to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two of evils but when all is said and done, and the emotions are taken out of the equation, do we really want a President Hillary Clinton?

The reason I raise this is that maybe it's possible that with Trump those like Cruz and Lee for example, will at least have Trump's attention and perhaps he would even listen to them, whereas Hillary will NEVER seek any opinion from any conservative.

So I guess what I'm saying in a nutshell is access to the next president, by conservatives better with the slime-ball Trump than with Hillary?

Just curious to hear what everyone thinks.  For the record, I still plan on writing in Cruz, but again is this the best strategy?

So, your saying that if we would vote for Trump he will win? You believe that why? Im sure you know that it was democrats who put him in the position he is in and they have no plans to vote for him in the general. While Trumps small amount of GOP followers will absolutely blame us for his defeat, truly it will be their fault for joing liberals to get him nominated. Cruz could kick Hillarys ass. Trump cant.
Liberalism is a very serious, non curable mental disorder.....

Dori

Vote your conscience. 

For me it doesn't matter, I live in CA and the state's going for Hillary.

I heard this a.m. on the news, that Trump isn't going to get 40% of Republican voters in the general election.  Looks like a Hillary win.
The danger to America is not Barack Obama but the citizens capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.

Dubinsky

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Quote from: Double D on July 03, 2016, 08:51:03 AM
So, your saying that if we would vote for Trump he will win? You believe that why? Im sure you know that it was democrats who put him in the position he is in and they have no plans to vote for him in the general. While Trumps small amount of GOP followers will absolutely blame us for his defeat, truly it will be their fault for joing liberals to get him nominated. Cruz could kick Hillarys ass. Trump cant.

I'm saying what I said, not what you are spinning it to be so it fits the point that you're trying to make?  Did I say if we vote for him, he wins? I can't predict the future.  Or, did I raise the access angle and admit it was proposed elsewhere?  I don't see anywhere that I said I was going to vote for him or I predicted any results.

I suggest you reread posts # 1 and # 4 and chill.

BTW, I know all about the crossover votes and the open primaries.  I merely asked a question.  Try answering it without making it sound like an attack. Others did.  I'm here long enough that many, if not most know where I stand on Cruz and how and for whom I plan to vote, which I repeated in BOTH posts.

Dubinsky

Quote from: Dori on July 03, 2016, 09:01:06 AM
Vote your conscience. 

For me it doesn't matter, I live in CA and the state's going for Hillary.

I heard this a.m. on the news, that Trump isn't going to get 40% of Republican voters in the general election.  Looks like a Hillary win.

Similar situation here.  NJ will clearly go for Hillary which is why I will write-in Cruz.

Double D

Quote from: Dubinsky on July 03, 2016, 09:09:34 AM
I'm saying what I said, not what you are spinning it to be so it fits the point that you're trying to make?  Did I say if we vote for him, he wins?  Or, did I raise the access angle and admit it was proposed elsewhere?  I don't see anywhere that I said I was going to vote for him or I predicted any results.

I suggest you reread posts # 1 and # 4 and chill.

BTW, I know all about the crossover votes and the open primaries.  I merely asked a question.  Try answering it without making it sound like an attack. Others did.  I'm here long enough that many, if not most know where I stand on Cruz and how and for whom I plan to vote, which I repeated in BOTH posts.

If my response appears to you as an attack, you may want to rethink being a part of a discussion board. I simply asked you a couple of questions. Not sure why the butthurt. Never accused you of anything. Honest question, do you believe that if we vote for him, he will win? Geeze...
Liberalism is a very serious, non curable mental disorder.....

Dubinsky

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Quote from: Double D on July 03, 2016, 09:26:38 AM
If my response appears to you as an attack, you may want to rethink being a part of a discussion board. I simply asked you a couple of questions. Not sure why the butthurt. Never accused you of anything. Honest question, do you believe that if we vote for him, he will win? Geeze...

Perhaps attack was the wrong word.  How do I know if he would win?  Can you predict for certainty that if every conservative voted for him, he would lose?  I'm not a fan of polls so I don't think he is losing as badly as they make it seem.  Doesn't mean I choose to help him.  Did I or did I not say it was raised elsewhere.  I thought it was a good angle for discussion.  Apparently you don't. 

Double D

Quote from: Dubinsky on July 03, 2016, 09:36:26 AM
Perhaps attack was the wrong word.  How do I know if he would win?  Can you predict for certainty that if every conservative voted for him, he would lose?  I'm not a fan of polls so I don't think he is losing as badly as they make it seem.  Doesn't mean I choose to help him.  Did I or did I not say it was raised elsewhere.  I thought it was a good angle for discussion.  Apparently you don't.  Just for the record, I don't need you telling me how and why Trump won.

Wow, that time of month? Like I said, if my post makes you butthurt, you should probably think twice about starting a thread and asking opinions. If trump had all of the conservative vote, he could and probably would win. There just isnt a chance in hell he will get those votes. Conservatives just dont want him.
Liberalism is a very serious, non curable mental disorder.....

Dubinsky

#12
Quote from: Double D on July 03, 2016, 09:41:52 AM
Wow, that time of month? Like I said, if my post makes you butthurt, you should probably think twice about starting a thread and asking opinions. If trump had all of the conservative vote, he could and probably would win. There just isnt a chance in hell he will get those votes. Conservatives just dont want him.

You didn't give your opinion until now. Instead you asked me questions and proceeded to tell me how Trump won assuming that I didn't know. Did I say he WOULD get those votes? I didn't ask who would get the blame if Trump loses. I answered your question but apparently you weren't satisfied so you had to repeat your nonsense about butt hurt even after I said attack was the wrong word to use and escalate it by insinuating I have my period.  Nice exchange.  :rolleyes: Maybe it's your time of the month since abrasiveness seems to be your strong point. There is no circumstance under which I would vote for Trump.  I merely proposed a hypothetical and solicited responses that others seem to be able to supply without making it personal.  That is what people do on discussion boards...discuss topics that they might not even like. Something you ought to try.

Hoofer

Quote from: Dubinsky on July 03, 2016, 08:18:31 AM
You're not alone in that way of thinking.  I'm with you.  I was just curious to see if anyone thought there was anything to gain by the "access angle".  I heard someone mention it elsewhere. :thumbsup:

A couple of ways to answer the "Access to the President".
Starting with, "what's it really worth?"

a.  It wouldn't matter - Trump is not surrounding himself with Conservatives, Constitutionalists or TEA.
b.  Trump doesn't listen - He's freely admitted / bragged there is no need for outside advice on Foreign Policy.
c.  Access isn't Influence - The most powerful position isn't "the top" but, the one of direct influence.  Whoever is in that position gets done what they want.  Problem is... it's Trump's Liberal kids directing his campaign, leaving the access/influence by an outsider wishful thinking.  Trump's kids are the gatekeepers, whoever has influence on Trump's kids will most likely get what they want.

Case in point, Sidney Blumenthal & Huma are Hillary Clinton's advisors.  If I wanted to influence Hillary, I'd get Sid or Huma on my side, and they'll carry the water to the "boss".  Hillary and Donald don't have TIME to think about policy, they're dependent on advisors to formulate the talking points, rational, while she/he are out there delivering their speeches.

Growing up in a family business, we heard alot of whacky ideas from people outside the family.   But, once someone convinced a family member this "new fangled idea" was gonna fly, the real battle began - selling it to the rest of the family, while the decision-maker listened.  Trust me, selling a salesman, is tougher than you'd think... they make a living reading people.   We saw plenty of 'great ideas' fall by the wayside for the simplest of reasons, but, I can assure you, absolutely nothing and nobody got past the 'children gatekeepers of the business'.   Donald is a SALESMAN ... not a politician.

If there's still doubt, imagine yourself in the position of the ultimate decision-maker.  Somebody else is going to execute every plan you approve - not you.  Only an idiot delegates work to incompetent fools, it's their reputation that's on-the-line.  The notion of "access" is like yelling the length of a football field, you can get their attention, but until you're actually in their end zone or inner circle of influence, it's just another voice among many.

Watch Newt... if he wins over "the kids", we'll see Donald's focus sharpen.  (I am in NO WAY implying Donald would become a puppet of Newt, just new ideas, Newt's ideas, would start coming out).  Access is like accidentally dialing the wrong number and the President answers, "Who is this, and how did you get this number?"
All animals are created equal; Some just take longer to cook.   Survival is keeping an eye on those around you...

Dubinsky

Quote from: Hoofer on July 03, 2016, 10:01:12 AM
A couple of ways to answer the "Access to the President".
Starting with, "what's it really worth?"

a.  It wouldn't matter - Trump is not surrounding himself with Conservatives, Constitutionalists or TEA.
b.  Trump doesn't listen - He's freely admitted / bragged there is no need for outside advice on Foreign Policy.
c.  Access isn't Influence - The most powerful position isn't "the top" but, the one of direct influence.  Whoever is in that position gets done what they want.  Problem is... it's Trump's Liberal kids directing his campaign, leaving the access/influence by an outsider wishful thinking.  Trump's kids are the gatekeepers, whoever has influence on Trump's kids will most likely get what they want.

Case in point, Sidney Blumenthal & Huma are Hillary Clinton's advisors.  If I wanted to influence Hillary, I'd get Sid or Huma on my side, and they'll carry the water to the "boss".  Hillary and Donald don't have TIME to think about policy, they're dependent on advisors to formulate the talking points, rational, while she/he are out there delivering their speeches.

Growing up in a family business, we heard alot of whacky ideas from people outside the family.   But, once someone convinced a family member this "new fangled idea" was gonna fly, the real battle began - selling it to the rest of the family, while the decision-maker listened.  Trust me, selling a salesman, is tougher than you'd think... they make a living reading people.   We saw plenty of 'great ideas' fall by the wayside for the simplest of reasons, but, I can assure you, absolutely nothing and nobody got past the 'children gatekeepers of the business'.   Donald is a SALESMAN ... not a politician.

If there's still doubt, imagine yourself in the position of the ultimate decision-maker.  Somebody else is going to execute every plan you approve - not you.  Only an idiot delegates work to incompetent fools, it's their reputation that's on-the-line.  The notion of "access" is like yelling the length of a football field, you can get their attention, but until you're actually in their end zone or inner circle of influence, it's just another voice among many.

Watch Newt... if he wins over "the kids", we'll see Donald's focus sharpen.  (I am in NO WAY implying Donald would become a puppet of Newt, just new ideas, Newt's ideas, would start coming out).  Access is like accidentally dialing the wrong number and the President answers, "Who is this, and how did you get this number?"

As usual Hoofer, all good points and well thought out.  Curious as to your opinion on whether you think there's still a chance he won't end up the nominee.