Quote from: Hoofer on July 05, 2016, 03:40:58 PM
Really it should be:
If you choose to vote for Donald Trump, you are legitimizing him.  Trump is showing the GOPe is no longer a legitimate Conservative party.

GOPe has never been conservative. It truly irritates me to hear McConnell, Ryan, etc; trying to label themselves as conservative.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 06, 2016, 04:25:43 AM
GOPe has never been conservative. It truly irritates me to hear McConnell, Ryan, etc; trying to label themselves as conservative.

What's worse is the Trumpanzeeloons saying Trump is a conservative.  Not a damned thing about him is conservative and I wonder if for all of his telling us how smart he is, can he spell the word.  Caught a few minutes of his rally last night and he's still inarticulate and saying the same things.  "Wow, look at this crowd and we'll build the wall as well as who will pay for it?  Mexico"  He ought to record it and play it in a loop.  He's about as deep as thin sliced white bread.

Quote from: Dubinsky on July 06, 2016, 04:35:30 AM
What's worse is the Trumpanzeeloons saying Trump is a conservative.  Not a damned thing about him is conservative and I wonder if for all of his telling us how smart he is, can he spell the word.  Caught a few minutes of his rally last night and he's still inarticulate and saying the same things.  "Wow, look at this crowd and we'll build the wall as well as who will pay for it?  Mexico"  He ought to record it and play it in a loop.  He's about as deep as thin sliced white bread.

Yep, the term "conservative" has been polluted, diluted ....and in reference to most in the GOPe and the Chump, refuted.


I am a Constitutionalist...see how long it takes the dirt bags to co-op that

Quote from: Sauce on July 06, 2016, 04:45:50 AM
Yep, the term "conservative" has been polluted, diluted ....and in reference to most in the GOPe and the Chump, refuted.


I am a Constitutionalist...see how long it takes the dirt bags to co-op that

Give him time.  There's nothing original about him other than being the world's first dumbest billionaire.  He may not even be dumb but he sure sounds it unless he's scripted.  His minions say that's what makes him so wonderful...he's not a politician.  How that equates to being inarticulate is beyond me.

Quote from: Dubinsky on July 06, 2016, 05:43:39 AM
Give him time.  There's nothing original about him other than being the world's first dumbest billionaire.  He may not even be dumb but he sure sounds it unless he's scripted.  His minions say that's what makes him so wonderful...he's not a politician.  How that equates to being inarticulate is beyond me.

Yep and his minions are going to be the same ones that are going to accuse us of not supporting him and handing Hillary the White House.  My answer is going to be a simple "I told you so and it is YOU who is responsible for supporting the liberal fraud to lose to the liberal criminal".

Trump is a politician in every sense; a corrupt, lying, piece of crap.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 06, 2016, 04:25:43 AM
GOPe has never been conservative. It truly irritates me to hear McConnell, Ryan, etc; trying to label themselves as conservative.

And by todays party standards, JFK wasn't even CLOSE to being a Democrat, neither is Trump close to being a Republican.

I'll vote where I think it matters.  I'll vote for my senator.  I'll support my congressman, I'll vote for local representation.  What's the answer on the presidential vote?  Write in Cruz?  How is that any different than a no vote? 

This year your vote is truly limited to the lesser of two evils.  So, it's some variety of no vote, or a choice of evil.  Do you want a president that works seamlessly with congress or one that is constantly opposed by congress?  Who would you rather have picking the next supreme court justice?  I may have just talked myself into voting for Trump.

Quote from: Justaguy on July 08, 2016, 07:36:24 PM
I'll vote where I think it matters.  I'll vote for my senator.  I'll support my congressman, I'll vote for local representation.  What's the answer on the presidential vote?  Write in Cruz?  How is that any different than a no vote? 

There's a better chance that Cruz would win a write-in and beat Hillary, than Trump just beating Hillary.

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This year your vote is truly limited to the lesser of two evils.

For you, maybe.  A radical liberal is a radical liberal.

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  So, it's some variety of no vote, or a choice of evil.  Do you want a president that works seamlessly with congress or one that is constantly opposed by congress?  Who would you rather have picking the next supreme court justice?  I may have just talked myself into voting for Trump.

You go ahead and vote for the guy who got trounced 2-1 in his home state.  Let us know how that turns out.

Quote from: taxed on July 08, 2016, 07:41:28 PM

You go ahead and vote for the guy who got trounced 2-1 in his home state.  Let us know how that turns out.

I won't need to.  It'll probably be covered by the news agencies.  You'll be able to watch it on TV.

Is Trump really that much worse than Romney? The way I see it is that the Republican party is failing as far as providing representation for conservatives.  There is no viable conservative party in America. 

Quote from: Justaguy on July 08, 2016, 07:55:23 PM
I won't need to.  It'll probably be covered by the news agencies.  You'll be able to watch it on TV.

Is Trump really that much worse than Romney? The way I see it is that the Republican party is failing as far as providing representation for conservatives.  There is no viable conservative party in America.

I agree the GOP fails to represent conservatives, but this has been the case for some years, unlike the party's beginning when the GOP championed all the liberal things like ending slavery which the Donks try taking credit for today.

Whether we do it because we simply crave change or because whatever we HAD tried really sucked on dry ice, we wind up changing the political polarity of a party, often in tiny increments. I remember a time when school kids bought U.S. Governments bonds, 25 cents at a time. People were still holding WAR bonds after WWII. We all said the Pledge to the Flag, and, after 1954, we acknowledged our Maker, the One who keeps us free.

Now we get searched flying wherever they let us, and must pay extra to even visit Canada.

What would make the existing conservative-themed parties more "viable"?

Quote from: Justaguy on July 08, 2016, 07:55:23 PM
I won't need to.  It'll probably be covered by the news agencies.  You'll be able to watch it on TV.

Nah.  I'm not the TV type.  I'm more of a hunter and gatherer on the news side of things.

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Is Trump really that much worse than Romney?

Like, light years.  Romney is a principaled adult with experience and success.  Trump's most successful moment was at conception.

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The way I see it is that the Republican party is failing as far as providing representation for conservatives.  There is no viable conservative party in America.

That's why we don't vote for Trump and write in the conservative.

Was listening to the news the other day and heard trump give a speech, cant remember a lot of it but one point he tried to make stood out.. He was bragging that the Never trump movement is dead, that more and more are coming to his side, bragged about he and the (RNC?? Cant remember exactly who he said) raising some 51 million and said that would have been done without the changing support of never trump..

the man is a fraud and liar.. He still cant seem to get above 40% of republicans to support him

It was about that point I shut the TV off...   I will not vote for the man, ever.

Quote from: Justaguy on July 08, 2016, 07:36:24 PM
I'll vote where I think it matters.  I'll vote for my senator.  I'll support my congressman, I'll vote for local representation.  What's the answer on the presidential vote?  Write in Cruz?  How is that any different than a no vote? 

This year your vote is truly limited to the lesser of two evils.  So, it's some variety of no vote, or a choice of evil.  Do you want a president that works seamlessly with congress or one that is constantly opposed by congress?  Who would you rather have picking the next supreme court justice?  I may have just talked myself into voting for Trump.

That's the problem Trumpsters have, they got the NY Lib enough votes to steal power, but half that base was Dims crossing over, and those same people won't be voting for him in the general, add to that his so called base is quickly eroding to the point that even the RNC can't help him.
Thankfully the delegates aren't going to support the lib, so he won't be on the ballot come Nov, but the sooner people wake to the fact that Cruz is the nations only viable option, the only one that can beat the Clinton machine this late in the game.

You see, Trump never had even close to 30% of the nations support, he was a vote splitter, and all by design by the Clinton machine, and now, 4 months away from the election, he has less than 20% support, not enough to beat Hillary's measly 33%, low percentages both of which have never been seen in the history of Presidential elections.
So by falling for the 'Lesser of Two Evils', you play right into the hands of the Marxists, the very people that created this absurd state of affairs.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 06, 2016, 04:25:43 AM
GOPe has never been conservative.

that is unmitigated truth!

Quote from: Dubinsky on July 03, 2016, 07:17:54 AM
Realizing that there is no difference between Trump and Hillary, and while it's becoming increasingly clearer that she won't be indicted, is it still the best strategy to write in Cruz?  I, like all of you am disgusted always having to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two of evils but when all is said and done, and the emotions are taken out of the equation, do we really want a President Hillary Clinton?

The reason I raise this is that maybe it's possible that with Trump those like Cruz and Lee for example, will at least have Trump's attention and perhaps he would even listen to them, whereas Hillary will NEVER seek any opinion from any conservative.

So I guess what I'm saying in a nutshell is access to the next president, by conservatives better with the slime-ball Trump than with Hillary?

Just curious to hear what everyone thinks.  For the record, I still plan on writing in Cruz, but again is this the best strategy?

Your premise is there's a difference between the two.  Writing in Cruz lets you sleep better at night, and shows the GOP where your support is.  If you cave and just vote for whoever they dangle in front of you because you're stupid and vote for anything with an R, then you just continue to empower the Marxist takeover of the GOP.

I'll vote for the conservative, period.