Helsinki update: Russia ready 'to charge' US officials for financial 'crimes'

Russia wants to charge former Ambassador Michael McFaul and several U.S. intelligence officials with financial crimes, Russian officials revealed Tuesday.

Russian President Vladimir Putin broached the topic during his summit with President Trump, when he offered to allow Special Counsel Robert Mueller to attend the questioning of Russian spies accused of conducting cyberattacks against the Democratic Party in 2016.

In exchange, Putin's team wants to question McFaul and at least three National Security Agency officials in connection to a case involving Bill Browder, a hedge fund manager who has led an international effort to impose sanctions on Russian officials implicated in human rights abuses.

"We're ready to send another request to the U.S. authorities to grant us permission to question these very employees of the U.S. intelligence agencies, as well as a number of other U.S. government officials and businessmen, in order to charge them for the crimes committed by Browder," said Alexander Kurennoy, head of the Russia's Office of Prosecutor General's Mass Media Department, per the state-run Sputnik News.

Browder has been a gadfly for Putin's team for years, dating back to his tenure as a high-profile investor in state-owned companies. Those clashes continued until Russian officials barred him from the country and shut down his investment company, a series of steps that culminated in Russian officials using his then-destroyed company to apply for a $230 million tax refund. One of Browder's attorneys, Sergei Magnitsky, uncovered the fraud, only to be arrested and then to die in Russian government custody in 2009.

Three years later, Congress passed a law named after Magnitsky to impose sanctions on Russian government officials involved in causing the lawyer's death. "The Russian authorities have had years to investigate this terrible crime and punish those responsible, but they have instead devoted their efforts to protecting the guilty and taking reprisals against those who insist on pursuing the case," Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., who shepherded the bill through the Foreign Affairs Committee, said at the time.

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Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2018, 07:52:34 AM
Helsinki update: Russia ready 'to charge' US officials for financial 'crimes'

Russia wants to charge former Ambassador Michael McFaul and several U.S. intelligence officials with financial crimes, Russian officials revealed Tuesday.

Russian President Vladimir Putin broached the topic during his summit with President Trump, when he offered to allow Special Counsel Robert Mueller to attend the questioning of Russian spies accused of conducting cyberattacks against the Democratic Party in 2016.

In exchange, Putin's team wants to question McFaul and at least three National Security Agency officials in connection to a case involving Bill Browder, a hedge fund manager who has led an international effort to impose sanctions on Russian officials implicated in human rights abuses.

"We're ready to send another request to the U.S. authorities to grant us permission to question these very employees of the U.S. intelligence agencies, as well as a number of other U.S. government officials and businessmen, in order to charge them for the crimes committed by Browder," said Alexander Kurennoy, head of the Russia's Office of Prosecutor General's Mass Media Department, per the state-run Sputnik News.

Browder has been a gadfly for Putin's team for years, dating back to his tenure as a high-profile investor in state-owned companies. Those clashes continued until Russian officials barred him from the country and shut down his investment company, a series of steps that culminated in Russian officials using his then-destroyed company to apply for a $230 million tax refund. One of Browder's attorneys, Sergei Magnitsky, uncovered the fraud, only to be arrested and then to die in Russian government custody in 2009.

Three years later, Congress passed a law named after Magnitsky to impose sanctions on Russian government officials involved in causing the lawyer's death. "The Russian authorities have had years to investigate this terrible crime and punish those responsible, but they have instead devoted their efforts to protecting the guilty and taking reprisals against those who insist on pursuing the case," Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., who shepherded the bill through the Foreign Affairs Committee, said at the time.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/helsinki-update-russia-ready-to-charge-us-officials-for-financial-crimes

That is a great idea -- I don't know if we have ever let adversarial countries question our own law enforcement/govt officials -- but why not -- especially when its officials like this guy, who has tried to oppose Putin on human rights abuses, what a traitor... I believe Putin 100% on this, no trial needed, send them every one of those crooks over to Russia.

What would be even cooler is if Putin determines that Mueller and his team committed crimes against Russia and we turn them over for Russia to punish them -- that would be aweseome!

I'm wondering if THIS might be incentive for the alleged "hack" by the Russians....Maybe this guy Browder laundered some of that $400 Million thru Hillary's campaign Hedging his bet (pun intended) that she was GOing to be President. Maybe Putin was looking for which bank or which shell company they were using?????

Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 18, 2018, 09:02:19 AM
That is a great idea -- I don't know if we have ever let adversarial countries question our own law enforcement/govt officials -- but why not -- especially when its officials like this guy, who has tried to oppose Putin on human rights abuses, what a traitor... I believe Putin 100% on this, no trial needed, send them every one of those crooks over to Russia.

What would be even cooler is if Putin determines that Mueller and his team committed crimes against Russia and we turn them over for Russia to punish them -- that would be aweseome!

No its a Terrible idea, we should never beleive what those Evil Ruskies tell us about fine upstanding American Citizens who commit international crimes or are plotting to do so against Russian Law or US Laws or international Law.  Take those poor refugee Lads the Tsarnaev Brothers who after all are just fine young men who suffered hellish abuses and Human rights violations at the hands of those evil Russians.  Thats why the FBI ignored all the warnings from the Russians when they told us about the elder Tsarneave Brother going to Chechnia and learning how to make bombs and other terrorist tatics he would later use to MURDER INNOCENT PEOPLE attacking the Boston Marathon.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 18, 2018, 06:54:56 PM
No its a Terrible idea, we should never beleive what those Evil Ruskies tell us about fine upstanding American Citizens who commit international crimes or are plotting to do so against Russian Law or US Laws or international Law.  Take those poor refugee Lads the Tsarnaev Brothers who after all are just fine young men who suffered hellish abuses and Human rights violations at the hands of those evil Russians.  Thats why the FBI ignored all the warnings from the Russians when they told us about the elder Tsarneave Brother going to Chechnia and learning how to make bombs and other terrorist tatics he would later use to MURDER INNOCENT PEOPLE attacking the Boston Marathon.

I agree. Don't depend on Russia for anything except trying to harm the USA as long as Putin is in charge. We should cleanup our own messes.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 19, 2018, 04:13:19 AM
I agree. Don't depend on Russia for anything except trying to harm the USA as long as Putin is in charge. We should cleanup our own messes.

Yeah we did such a wonderful job of cleaning up our own Messes with the Tsarnaev brothers, all those body parts that got splattered all over the street in Boston, you can hardly tell now where the blood stains are. 

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 18, 2018, 06:54:56 PM
No its a Terrible idea, we should never beleive what those Evil Ruskies tell us about fine upstanding American Citizens who commit international crimes or are plotting to do so against Russian Law or US Laws or international Law.  Take those poor refugee Lads the Tsarnaev Brothers who after all are just fine young men who suffered hellish abuses and Human rights violations at the hands of those evil Russians.  Thats why the FBI ignored all the warnings from the Russians when they told us about the elder Tsarneave Brother going to Chechnia and learning how to make bombs and other terrorist tatics he would later use to MURDER INNOCENT PEOPLE attacking the Boston Marathon.

The door's been opened by Mueller.

If the US govt under the auspices of Mueller and Rosenstein, is indicting foreign officers or leaders, we should probably allow for a reasonable request from them to do the same.

Same rules of discovery, same judicial framework, and so on.

The left is too comfortable with using the American system against America and never, ever, being called on it.

In this case, Mueller is inventing BS out of whole cloth, to screw with Trump.  And he thinks Trump should protect his minions from anybody else's accusations.  That's a brilliant concept, one that a 5-year-old would be all into.

Quote from: AndyJackson on July 19, 2018, 09:27:49 AM
The door's been opened by Mueller.

If the US govt under the auspices of Mueller and Rosenstein, is indicting foreign officers or leaders, we should probably allow for a reasonable request from them to do the same.

Same rules of discovery, same judicial framework, and so on.

The left is too comfortable with using the American system against America and never, ever, being called on it.

In this case, Mueller is inventing BS out of whole cloth, to screw with Trump.  And he thinks Trump should protect his minions from anybody else's accusations.  That's a brilliant concept, one that a 5-year-old would be all into.

Mueller did this just to provide cover for his efforts not finding anything on Trump. He doesn't expect any of these guys to be extradited. It would be a trap to go along with Putin's suggestion.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 19, 2018, 11:25:29 AM
Mueller did this just to provide cover for his efforts not finding anything on Trump. He doesn't expect any of these guys to be extradited. It would be a trap to go along with Putin's suggestion.

Please explain.

I think the Putin request can be very useful in spoofing Mueller.

Make sure the Putin request is administered very openly, fairly, legally (US laws lol), and start making demands for all the same standards of Mueller.

Why would we want to help McFaul and Browder get away with things that our own system is crucifying Manafort and Flynn for  ?

Sounds like more Obama - Clinton money laundering, too.  Need to stop prosecuting only Trump people, mostly false, and ignoring everybody else's crimes.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 19, 2018, 11:25:29 AM
Mueller did this just to provide cover for his efforts not finding anything on Trump. He doesn't expect any of these guys to be extradited. It would be a trap to go along with Putin's suggestion.

Not necessarily, if the Russians have these INTERCEPTS then WE HAVE THEM TOO, you really donlt think Clapper turned over the keys to the kingdom just like that do you, without the shredder and bleach bit working overtime..... easy to corroborate.

I do urge caution though

Quote from: AndyJackson on July 19, 2018, 09:27:49 AM
The door's been opened by Mueller.

If the US govt under the auspices of Mueller and Rosenstein, is indicting foreign officers or leaders, we should probably allow for a reasonable request from them to do the same.

Same rules of discovery, same judicial framework, and so on.

The left is too comfortable with using the American system against America and never, ever, being called on it.

In this case, Mueller is inventing BS out of whole cloth, to screw with Trump.  And he thinks Trump should protect his minions from anybody else's accusations.  That's a brilliant concept, one that a 5-year-old would be all into.

The US CJS does this shit all the time, I USED TO DO IT, we allow one bad guy to roll over on other bad guys so we can put ten of them in jail instead of just one. And MOST of the time the guy who is rolling over is worse than the other ten combined.... And MUELLER?????? Mueller was the guy who let Whitey Bulger of the the notorious Boston Irish Mob run amok in exchange for LESSER organized crime fugures....Bulger was a KILLER. Yet no one in the DOJ objected when WHITEY provided INFORMATION.

So whenever I hear somebody mount their moral high horse and tell us "We shouldn't play Russia's game" Bullshit, WE INVENTED THE GAME.  If there is anything to this "exchange" of information I say go for it.

Quote from: AndyJackson on July 19, 2018, 01:54:50 PM
Please explain.

I think the Putin request can be very useful in spoofing Mueller.

Make sure the Putin request is administered very openly, fairly, legally (US laws lol), and start making demands for all the same standards of Mueller.

Why would we want to help McFaul and Browder get away with things that our own system is crucifying Manafort and Flynn for  ?

Sounds like more Obama - Clinton money laundering, too.  Need to stop prosecuting only Trump people, mostly false, and ignoring everybody else's crimes.

A special prosecutor cannot spend all the time, effort and money without somebody being prosecuted. So, he goes for the Russians. He may not really have much on them, but knows they will never show up. I do not trust the Russkys at all and we should never let them get their hands on American citizens.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 20, 2018, 04:20:52 AM
A special prosecutor cannot spend all the time, effort and money without somebody being prosecuted. So, he goes for the Russians. He may not really have much on them, but knows they will never show up. I do not trust the Russkys at all and we should never let them get their hands on American citizens.

If I didn't know better, from what you just wrote I'd swear that you are simply a garden-variety Hillary-voting supporter of Mueller.

Very odd, your words.

How would Russians "get their hands on" Americans ?  We can find a venue in America for whatever is to be done.  We're not sticking anyone on a plane to Siberia, lmao.

You seem oddly worked up against Russia, almost like an Olbermann or Matthews or Whoopie or Rosie.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 20, 2018, 04:20:52 AM
A special prosecutor cannot spend all the time, effort and money without somebody being prosecuted. So, he goes for the Russians. He may not really have much on them, but knows they will never show up. I do not trust the Russkys at all and we should never let them get their hands on American citizens.

No one is suggesting we Hand over any American, we can;t do that anyhow without due process and an extradition treaty,

There IS such a thing as cooperation between prosecutors and investigators, sharing information and exchange of information through proper channels in order to determine wrongdoing....something we have DONE MANY TIMES WITH RUSSIA and other Countries particularly with terrorism.

Kind of a moot point, Trump already said he won't be doing it.