Prince Mohammed bin Salman To Be King of SA

Started by Solar, November 16, 2017, 02:47:40 PM

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Cryptic Bert

Quote from: Solar on November 18, 2017, 06:46:43 PM
Yes, that would be quite something, but the fact that Israel is offering SA Intel on Iran is huge.
Joos helping Muslims, Muslims helping Joooos? Who'd a thunk this day would ever come?

Somewhere beyond hell Yassir Arafat had a stroke.

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Quote from: s3779m on November 17, 2017, 02:18:01 PM
I don't see the clergies in iran giving up power, and freedom has a way of spreading to other countries, especially ones who have had a taste of it. Nor can I see what is left of the fringe groups just giving up.There are too many hard core clergies who do have a lot of control.  I can see the message going out for a holy war against Saudi with the usual promise of 72 virgins ect.  I guess one question would be does Saudi have what it takes to battle them? The enemy will be hiding when possible among innocents, could even be in their own country. I don't really see another nation siding with iran but that would not stop "tribes" from giving some support. Will be interesting. As to the question, I think we will see bloodshed at first in the way of terrorism with random suicides to kill as many as possible to see it that will stop it. I do not think any of this would have moved forward had obama still been in office. Or if that witch ( cant think of her name at the moment) would have won.
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Agree that while the attitude and behavior of the Mullahs is vital, yet it hardly defines the outcome.
Previously I mentioned Mustapha Kemal, a name now lost in the mists of time; so reflect here a moment.
In the 19th century, Kemal, an Officer in the Ottoman Army, showed notable leadership attributes which led to a recommendation that he be further trained in Prussia, then an ally of the Ottomans, by their Military.
When War commenced in 1914, he was posted to defend the Dardanelles at Gallipoli; the gateway to Constantinople/Istanbul, their Capital.
In 1915, he defeated an overwhelming Anglo-French Army and Naval Force, inflicting some 250,000 allied casualties and burying the political career of Winston Churchill, for more than a generation.
Kemal, a strong secular nationalist, was a great hero to the people, rising to ruler in 1918. His European experience had heightened his awareness that change was in the mind and soul of his people; and as all great leaders do, he seized the moment!
* In 1922, he abolished the Sultanate; then in existence for more than 600 years.
* In 1924, he abolished the Caliphate; then in existence since Mohammed, for almost 1300 years!
Further, he;
* exiled the Ottoman Leadership,
* banned the public wearing of the Fez/Turban(men) and the Hijaab(women),
* converted the calendar to Gregorian,
* removed Islam from the Constitution, as the State Religion,
* installed the Military as the center of power, replacing the Mullahs,
* removed the power of religious institutions to enforce secular decisions.
To this day his rule is revered by common people, as his 30 Monuments along the Bosporus Shoreline attest.
He ruled for some 25 years and was a bulwark for Europe against the Soviet Union when Stalin was in power.
Additionally he created a strong military which was a staunch ally of the USA during the Korean War.
What is my point???
The likes of Mustapha Kemal, while extremely rare, do exist in the Middle East; notably in the Emirate of Bahrain, in the Sultanate of Oman , in Dubai and Abu Dhabi; among others.
When they emerge we owe them our admiration and best wishes.

Possum

Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 18, 2017, 06:25:55 PM
An Israeli-Saudi attack on Iran's nukes would completely change the situation in the middle east.
And ruin obama's day.

Solar

Quote from: Walter Josh on November 18, 2017, 10:56:18 PM
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Agree that while the attitude and behavior of the Mullahs is vital, yet it hardly defines the outcome.
Previously I mentioned Mustapha Kemal, a name now lost in the mists of time; so reflect here a moment.
In the 19th century, Kemal, an Officer in the Ottoman Army, showed notable leadership attributes which led to a recommendation that he be further trained in Prussia, then an ally of the Ottomans, by their Military.
When War commenced in 1914, he was posted to defend the Dardanelles at Gallipoli; the gateway to Constantinople/Istanbul, their Capital.
In 1915, he defeated an overwhelming Anglo-French Army and Naval Force, inflicting some 250,000 allied casualties and burying the political career of Winston Churchill, for more than a generation.
Kemal, a strong secular nationalist, was a great hero to the people, rising to ruler in 1918. His European experience had heightened his awareness that change was in the mind and soul of his people; and as all great leaders do, he seized the moment!
* In 1922, he abolished the Sultanate; then in existence for more than 600 years.
* In 1924, he abolished the Caliphate; then in existence since Mohammed, for almost 1300 years!
Further, he;
* exiled the Ottoman Leadership,
* banned the public wearing of the Fez/Turban(men) and the Hijaab(women),
* converted the calendar to Gregorian,
* removed Islam from the Constitution, as the State Religion,
* installed the Military as the center of power, replacing the Mullahs,
* removed the power of religious institutions to enforce secular decisions.
To this day his rule is revered by common people, as his 30 Monuments along the Bosporus Shoreline attest.
He ruled for some 25 years and was a bulwark for Europe against the Soviet Union when Stalin was in power.
Additionally he created a strong military which was a staunch ally of the USA during the Korean War.
What is my point???
The likes of Mustapha Kemal, while extremely rare, do exist in the Middle East; notably in the Emirate of Bahrain, in the Sultanate of Oman , in Dubai and Abu Dhabi; among others.
When they emerge we owe them our admiration and best wishes.
You raise an interesting phenomenon that appears more often it seems, in the M/E culture, that being a thirst for quality leadership.
I would venture to guess it's because of a lack of Bill of Rights, where so much of law is based on a religion and cultural beliefs/Tribalism, that when a true leader rises up, the masses gladly8 get behind him in support.

ISIS  for example, played on the hate, bigotry, and ignorance of the fools that bought the Wahabi lie, as well as the promise of riches now and an even better life as a martyr after death, that and the threat of death if they didn't join in.
This too is seeing its final days, especially once the stolen wealth is revealed to be in the hands of puppet leaders that played upon the ignorance of their followers'

Your point is solid, in that his leadership is long over due and willing masses are waiting to support the removal of a lawless society, anyway, one bereft of actual law written as in a Bill of Rights, instead the people have been subjected to the whims of many different individuals heading religious courts and dolling out judgement on the street.
Then there's the issue of the royal family being the final arbiter in financial decisions, which is at the crux of his arresting and jailing his own brethren and family.
It was this move that instantly got the attention of the people, a man, a Royal member arresting the corrupt within his own order?

Unheard of in modern times, not to mention the scale at which this took place, a sweep across the M/E.
You are right, this Prince, if not assassinated, will go down in the annals of history as one of the greatest leaders in the M/E of the millennia, a man revered the world over.
We live in interesting times, and I'm actually grateful we're front seat and center stage to watch as it unfolds, and that includes the implosion of the left worldwide.

With that said. There is a prophecy that says Islam will see its strongest times starting this century, a rebirth if you will. Followed by 1000 years of peace.
I used to see that as a dire warning, knowing the fanatical entity pushing this false religion across the world.
However, imagine for a moment, the will of this Prince imposing his brand of Islum on the denomination of those in power, rewriting actual law and bringing peace within the religion, it's possible this prophecy could be good for a world, a world that wars consistently overt faith, an idea that is unprovable, yet people willing die over their belief.
After all, he did just remove the religious police from power, essentially killing the law ruling the masses, usurping the power of religious law, the first step towards an actual Constitution.   

I'm not one to believe religious prophecy, but when you have a billion people willing to believe it, it becomes self fulling.
We very well, may see this prophecy come to fruition, only in a good and peaceful way.
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