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Re: Question For Bush Supporters
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2018, 11:50:49 AM »
So now you've resorted to calling me a liar? I don't watch TV, I had no interest in Trump, never watched his speeches because in mind he was still a NY Dem who just joined the GOP to run for office.

Yes, I am calling you either dishonest or woefully ignorant -- if you expect me to believe that you didn't know Trump was the face of the birther movement until he joined the GOP -- because he joined the GOP long before he was part of the birther movement, he won over most of his early supporters due to his involvement in the birther movement  -- but somehow you were informed about Arpaio's birther activities??

Jeez, you have a serious comprehension issue. I just stated why the GOP keeps losing elections. Wake up!
No, you stated why you THINK the GOP kept losing-- and I have told you that the true reason why they had been losing -- it wasn't over policy -- it was over style.

The base wants a candidate who isn't politically correct, who doesn't just blow a dog whistle, but blows a dog trumpet -- we want to be told the things by our candidate that we tell each other candidly around the water cooler -- Trump does that -- but his policies are mostly the same policies that the base have been supporting for decades.

You also claimed that the base was fed up with how the GOP bailed out Wall Street -- so I asked you what have the GOP done to crack down on Wall St? ZERO -- and you don't hear a peep out of the base about it because no one told them to care about it, not even Trump.

I'd love to see these so-called ""conservative watchdog groups" you speak of. Because to my knowledge,, there are but two credible ones.
One being:    https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/ And the other:
http://acuratings.conservative.org/acu-federal-legislative-ratings/?year1=2017&chamber=13&state1=57&sortable=1

Here is the conservative review scorecard results -- I will include the scores of your boy crush, Ted Cruz and compare it to those of RINO like Jeff Flake and prove my point:


Senator Ted Cruz (TX) - 90%

 
Rep Matt Gaetz (FL) - 79%

Now, I found this guy's score interesting since I often hear people cheer him as a strong conservative ...Guess he is just a strong conservative in style only.

Rep Trey Gowdy (SC) 69%

Not Trey Gowdy? say it aint so -- maybe he just has the "Style" of a strong conservative because he participates in dog and pony investigations

Now you may consider this funny, Jeff Flake (Satan himself) lifetime score is 93%, his most recent score is 60% however, not because of his voting record but because he is not all in for Trump no matter what.

Which is basically my point, its not about the policies because the base will support virtually any policy Trump tells them to support -- it is about the style -- if you stay tapped into their anger and keep feeding it -- your base will support anything you put in front of them.

https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/



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Re: Question For Bush Supporters
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2018, 12:22:53 PM »
Yes, I am calling you either dishonest or woefully ignorant -- if you expect me to believe that you didn't know Trump was the face of the birther movement until he joined the GOP -- because he joined the GOP long before he was part of the birther movement, he won over most of his early supporters due to his involvement in the birther movement  -- but somehow you were informed about Arpaio's birther activities??
No, you stated why you THINK the GOP kept losing-- and I have told you that the true reason why they had been losing -- it wasn't over policy -- it was over style.

The base wants a candidate who isn't politically correct, who doesn't just blow a dog whistle, but blows a dog trumpet -- we want to be told the things by our candidate that we tell each other candidly around the water cooler -- Trump does that -- but his policies are mostly the same policies that the base have been supporting for decades.

You also claimed that the base was fed up with how the GOP bailed out Wall Street -- so I asked you what have the GOP done to crack down on Wall St? ZERO -- and you don't hear a peep out of the base about it because no one told them to care about it, not even Trump.

Here is the conservative review scorecard results -- I will include the scores of your boy crush, Ted Cruz and compare it to those of RINO like Jeff Flake and prove my point:


Senator Ted Cruz (TX) - 90%

 
Rep Matt Gaetz (FL) - 79%

Now, I found this guy's score interesting since I often hear people cheer him as a strong conservative ...Guess he is just a strong conservative in style only.

Rep Trey Gowdy (SC) 69%

Not Trey Gowdy? say it aint so -- maybe he just has the "Style" of a strong conservative because he participates in dog and pony investigations

Now you may consider this funny, Jeff Flake (Satan himself) lifetime score is 93%, his most recent score is 60% however, not because of his voting record but because he is not all in for Trump no matter what.

Which is basically my point, its not about the policies because the base will support virtually any policy Trump tells them to support -- it is about the style -- if you stay tapped into their anger and keep feeding it -- your base will support anything you put in front of them.

https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/

Most of us here did not support Trump because we know he is not a conservative. We were slow to embrace him as it was a wait and see approach. He has proven he is not a conservative with his populous approach. However, he has also proven he is a patriot and that is what we are as well.
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Re: Question For Bush Supporters
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2018, 01:45:27 PM »
Yes, I am calling you either dishonest or woefully ignorant -- if you expect me to believe that you didn't know Trump was the face of the birther movement until he joined the GOP -- because he joined the GOP long before he was part of the birther movement, he won over most of his early supporters due to his involvement in the birther movement  -- but somehow you were informed about Arpaio's birther activities??
No, you stated why you THINK the GOP kept losing-- and I have told you that the true reason why they had been losing -- it wasn't over policy -- it was over style.

The base wants a candidate who isn't politically correct, who doesn't just blow a dog whistle, but blows a dog trumpet -- we want to be told the things by our candidate that we tell each other candidly around the water cooler -- Trump does that -- but his policies are mostly the same policies that the base have been supporting for decades.

You also claimed that the base was fed up with how the GOP bailed out Wall Street -- so I asked you what have the GOP done to crack down on Wall St? ZERO -- and you don't hear a peep out of the base about it because no one told them to care about it, not even Trump.

Here is the conservative review scorecard results -- I will include the scores of your boy crush, Ted Cruz and compare it to those of RINO like Jeff Flake and prove my point:


Senator Ted Cruz (TX) - 90%

 
Rep Matt Gaetz (FL) - 79%

Now, I found this guy's score interesting since I often hear people cheer him as a strong conservative ...Guess he is just a strong conservative in style only.

Rep Trey Gowdy (SC) 69%

Not Trey Gowdy? say it aint so -- maybe he just has the "Style" of a strong conservative because he participates in dog and pony investigations

Now you may consider this funny, Jeff Flake (Satan himself) lifetime score is 93%, his most recent score is 60% however, not because of his voting record but because he is not all in for Trump no matter what.

Which is basically my point, its not about the policies because the base will support virtually any policy Trump tells them to support -- it is about the style -- if you stay tapped into their anger and keep feeding it -- your base will support anything you put in front of them.

https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/
There are many on this forum who did not vote for or back president Trump as you have read. Many of us look forward to voting for him in 2020 because of what he has accomplished, not because of his style. He has not changed from 2016 when we did not back him to 2020, his accomplishments say it all.

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Re: Question For Bush Supporters
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2018, 02:06:31 PM »
Bush was considered a businessman too -- a globalist one -- just like Trump is -- globalism is only bad if the person you are calling a globalist is someone we already don't like.

Again my point is -- if we are so quick to shut up and silence our opposition just because he is "our leader" -- we will guarantee ourselves that we will get another "bush" or variation thereof in the future.

Only way to stop trump from being an anomaly is to demand that every politician from the city council level to the national level is Trumpian in their own style of governing -- I doubt Trump himself is responsible for much of the policy proposals -- those are still in the capable hands of conservative think tanks (Heritage foundation, ALEC) -- what we need are Trumpian politicians at all levels to tap into the anger of America and harness it against libs and RINOS until they are vanquished

If we can keep that up for ten years time -- we would have changed so much of the structural mechanisms of government that no lib or moderate republican can mess it up -- Roe V Wade, dead, Affirmative Action, dead, Gay Rights agenda, dead -- we can firmly solidify our country's rightful place on the political spectrum as a Christian conservative country --- no matter how many gays, libs, minorities try to claim otherwise.

Are you saying President Trump is a globalist?
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Re: Question For Bush Supporters
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2018, 02:36:36 PM »
Are you saying President Trump is a globalist?

First I need to you define what a globalist is -- because I am becoming increasingly aware that many who throw that word around is not aware of what it means.

Let's go with the standard definition:
glob·al·ist
a person who advocates the interpretation or planning of economic and foreign policy in relation to events and developments throughout the world.


Now let's take Trump's strange move to step in and intervene on behalf of a Chinese company that we deemed a national security threat -- in regards to the definition of globalist I gave you, you tell me is that globalist or anti-globalist?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/13/business/trump-vows-to-save-jobs-at-chinas-zte-lost-after-us-sanctions.html

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Re: Question For Bush Supporters
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2018, 04:07:52 PM »
Yes, I am calling you either dishonest or woefully ignorant -- if you expect me to believe that you didn't know Trump was the face of the birther movement until he joined the GOP -- because he joined the GOP long before he was part of the birther movement, he won over most of his early supporters due to his involvement in the birther movement  -- but somehow you were informed about Arpaio's birther activities??
No, you stated why you THINK the GOP kept losing-- and I have told you that the true reason why they had been losing -- it wasn't over policy -- it was over style.
OK, you're an Idiot!
Why is it so hard to understand that not everyone watches TV? I despised Trump, so why would I even follow the guy?

Here's what I stated, it is not whhat I think, its what I KNOW TO BE FACT!

Yes, we did lose the WH, but you can blame the GOP for that, they ran another RINO, and apparently being a Mormon played a part according to much of what I read at the time.
But just like McStain, the GOP was notorious for shitting on the base and running total losers that didn't give a shit about the Constitution.



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The base wants a candidate who isn't politically correct, who doesn't just blow a dog whistle, but blows a dog trumpet -- we want to be told the things by our candidate that we tell each other candidly around the water cooler -- Trump does that -- but his policies are mostly the same policies that the base have been supporting for decades.
Style? No, we want Conservatives, why is that so hard to understand?
Trump is unique in this way, but Reagan never got in their face, he didn't have to, his actions were like flaming arrows and the base loved it.

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You also claimed that the base was fed up with how the GOP bailed out Wall Street -- so I asked you what have the GOP done to crack down on Wall St? ZERO -- and you don't hear a peep out of the base about it because no one told them to care about it, not even Trump.

We were all over it, the base was pissed that it was McStain that led the charge for the bailout, which is what killed a McStains political career in the eyes of Conservatives.
I don't where you were when all of this was taking place, unless you were just watching TV where leftist media has always protected the loser, but the base was pissed to no end and we never forgave him.

Here is the conservative review scorecard results -- I will include the scores of your boy crush, Ted Cruz and compare it to those of RINO like Jeff Flake and prove my point:

Here is what you said:

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Those RINOS you are talking about all had 95% or above voting records by so called conservative watchdog groups -- the reason most of them are exiting is more about style than policy, since the majority of Trump's policies are run of the mill GOP policies. I am glad those people are retiring,  because they refuse to go all in for Trump and we need to have politicians who will stand by Trump no matter what.
There you go again with that "Style" bullshit, it has zero to do with style, it has everything to do with either corruption and or, the fact that they know they haven't a snowflakes chance in hell of getting reelected.
Some are just sick of politics.

Here is what I was talking about, and no, Cruz is not on the list.


Retiring Senate Republicans
Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tennessee
Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Arizona
Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah
Retiring House Republicans
Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas
Rep. John Duncan, R-Tennessee
Rep. Blake Farenthold, R-Texas
Rep. Rodney P. Frelinghuysen, R-New Jersey
Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Virginia
Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-South Carolina
Rep. Gregg Harper, R-Mississippi
Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-California
Rep. Lynn Jenkins, R-Kansas
Rep. Sam Johnson, R-Texas
Rep. Frank LoBiondo, R-New Jersey   
Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas
Rep. Dave Reichert, R-Washington
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Florida
Rep. Ed Royce, R-California
Rep. Bill Shuster, R-Pennsylvania
Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas
Rep. Dave Trott, R-Michigan
Rep. Tom Rooney, R-Florida
Rep. Ryan Costello, R-Pennsylvania
Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisconsin
Rep. Dennis Ross, R-Florida
Rep. Tom Garrett, R-Virginia
House Republicans who have resigned or will resign
Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah
Rep. Trent Franks, R-Arizona
Rep. Patrick Meehan, R-Pennsylvania 
Rep. Tim Murphy, R-Pennsylvania
Rep. Pat Tiberi, R-Ohio
Rep. Charlie Dent, R-Pennsylvania
Senator Ted Cruz (TX) - 90%
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republicans-leaving-congress-retiring-2018/
 
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Rep Matt Gaetz (FL) - 79%

Now, I found this guy's score interesting since I often hear people cheer him as a strong conservative ...Guess he is just a strong conservative in style only.

Rep Trey Gowdy (SC) 69%

Not Trey Gowdy? say it aint so -- maybe he just has the "Style" of a strong conservative because he participates in dog and pony investigations

Now you may consider this funny, Jeff Flake (Satan himself) lifetime score is 93%, his most recent score is 60% however, not because of his voting record but because he is not all in for Trump no matter what.

Which is basically my point, its not about the policies because the base will support virtually any policy Trump tells them to support -- it is about the style -- if you stay tapped into their anger and keep feeding it -- your base will support anything you put in front of them.

https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/

As to Gowdy, he took a position where he thinks he can accomplish more.

So I can only assume you think Flake got a D rating because that's how you "FEEL" about it, rather than take the time to actually look at his failed voting record?
Look for yourself.

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Re: Question For Bush Supporters
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2018, 04:09:37 PM »
First I need to you define what a globalist is -- because I am becoming increasingly aware that many who throw that word around is not aware of what it means.

Let's go with the standard definition:
glob·al·ist
a person who advocates the interpretation or planning of economic and foreign policy in relation to events and developments throughout the world.


Now let's take Trump's strange move to step in and intervene on behalf of a Chinese company that we deemed a national security threat -- in regards to the definition of globalist I gave you, you tell me is that globalist or anti-globalist?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/13/business/trump-vows-to-save-jobs-at-chinas-zte-lost-after-us-sanctions.html
Clinton is a Globalist as is the Bush regime, Trump, by comparison, is not a Globalist.
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Re: Question For Bush Supporters
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2018, 04:58:19 PM »
Why are we still talking about Bush. He is so yesterdays news  ??

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Re: Question For Bush Supporters
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2018, 05:21:37 PM »
Why are we still talking about Bush. He is so yesterdays news  ??
And that thought makes me happy. :biggrin:
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Re: Question For Bush Supporters
« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2018, 02:09:27 PM »
Most of us here did not support Trump because we know he is not a conservative. We were slow to embrace him as it was a wait and see approach. He has proven he is not a conservative with his populous approach. However, he has also proven he is a patriot and that is what we are as well.
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Re: Question For Bush Supporters
« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2018, 02:42:37 PM »
First I need to you define what a globalist is -- because I am becoming increasingly aware that many who throw that word around is not aware of what it means.

Let's go with the standard definition:
glob·al·ist
a person who advocates the interpretation or planning of economic and foreign policy in relation to events and developments throughout the world.


Now let's take Trump's strange move to step in and intervene on behalf of a Chinese company that we deemed a national security threat -- in regards to the definition of globalist I gave you, you tell me is that globalist or anti-globalist?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/13/business/trump-vows-to-save-jobs-at-chinas-zte-lost-after-us-sanctions.html
Where did you find this definition ?

I like how it conveniently swings toward "any kind of country / system" that's responding to global things.

Sorry, that's not accurate in the least.

A globalist is one who advocates for a single global government.  Oh, ya know,  UN - EU - World Court - World Bank sort of thing.

Why does being dishonest, sneaky, shady, always have to be what you lead with  ?

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Re: Question For Bush Supporters
« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2018, 02:59:26 PM »
The globalist agenda was born after the Great War w/the League of Nations
heralding the Wilsonian cry; "Save the World for Democracy".
Despite the piety, nothing changed, as the 20th century was the deadliest in
the history of Mankind.

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Re: Question For Bush Supporters
« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2018, 03:34:21 PM »
Where did you find this definition ?

I like how it conveniently swings toward "any kind of country / system" that's responding to global things.

Sorry, that's not accurate in the least.

A globalist is one who advocates for a single global government.  Oh, ya know,  UN - EU - World Court - World Bank sort of thing.

Why does being dishonest, sneaky, shady, always have to be what you lead with  ?
The Poster Child of Globalists is none other than, Soros.
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Re: Question For Bush Supporters
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2018, 04:05:02 PM »
The Poster Child of Globalists is none other than, Soros.
I just love their never-ending efforts to redefine all words, to help them get away with various dumb things.

Yeh, sure, a globalist is one who watches the globe.

I keep asking Army Dave ..... how can you just be ridiculous, and look everyone in the eye like you're not  ?

Where has the dignity and self respect gone ?  I guess when you spend all your time advocating for sloth, theft, lying, groveling, victimhood ..... things like dignity just end up atrophying.

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Re: Question For Bush Supporters
« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2018, 05:08:16 PM »
I just love their never-ending efforts to redefine all words, to help them get away with various dumb things.

Yeh, sure, a globalist is one who watches the globe.

I keep asking Army Dave ..... how can you just be ridiculous, and look everyone in the eye like you're not  ?

Where has the dignity and self respect gone ?  I guess when you spend all your time advocating for sloth, theft, lying, groveling, victimhood ..... things like dignity just end up atrophying.
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