A handful of conservatives staved it off. The Marxists and President Trump are now calling for a full repeal and will deal with a replacement later.
http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2017/07/17/breaking-mitch-mcconnell-says-forget-replacing-obamacare-lets-go-plan/
We're turning the corner folks!!!
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I have been wary about full repeal without a replacement but I was overthinking the issue. Repeal it, let the insurance companies offer affordable plans. Pass a bill letting insurance companies sell plans in other states. Let the states set up high risk pools.
Go from there.
Obamacare remains in place. Repeal is dead for the time being.
QuoteWASHINGTON (AP) — The latest GOP effort to repeal and replace "Obamacare" was fatally wounded in the Senate Monday night when two more Republican senators announced their opposition to legislation strongly backed by President Donald Trump.
The announcements from Sens. Mike Lee of Utah and Jerry Moran of Kansas left the Republican Party's long-promised efforts to get rid of President Barack Obama's health care legislation reeling. Next steps, if any, were not immediately clear.
Lee and Moran both said they could not support Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's legislation in its current form. They joined GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine and Rand Paul of Kentucky, both of whom announced their opposition right after McConnell released the bill last Thursday.
McConnell is now at least two votes short in the closely divided Senate and may have to go back to the drawing board or even begin to negotiate with Democrats, a prospect he's threatened but resisted so far.
McConnell's bill "fails to repeal the Affordable Care Act or address healthcare's rising costs. For the same reasons I could not support the previous version of this bill, I cannot support this one," said Moran.
It was the second straight failure for McConnell, who had to cancel a vote on an earlier version of the bill last month when defeat became inevitable.
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDefault/*/Article_2017-07-17-APFN-US--Congress-Health%20Overhaul/id-2054d84aa147460c80d17025a79dfd32
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Exactly what I hoping for, just a full repeal. no more coverage requirements, and open up things up, deregulate it so insurance companies can cross state lines easily. Those who want insurance can pay for it, those who don't fine, those who can't, we already have plenty of government safety nets.
We have been calling for repeal since Jan. 20th. Yes, even before - during the reign of BO. But those votes were infeasible; just for show.
The call for repeal by pubs is just wishful thinking to recover the fact they've failed to make Trump's HC promise happen.
The RINO's don't understand why they are there - they're too weak to unite behind the right approach from principles of our republic.
The time and dollars that have been wasted talking and talking and talking so far on HC makes me sick. At least we're going nowhere instead of the wrong direction. I guess that's a net positive over the BO regime.
Quote from: topside on July 18, 2017, 05:07:40 AM
We have been calling for repeal since Jan. 20th. Yes, even before - during the reign of BO. But those votes were infeasible; just for show.
The call for repeal by pubs is just wishful thinking to recover the fact they've failed to make Trump's HC promise happen.
The RINO's don't understand why they are there - they're too weak to unite behind the right approach from principles of our republic.
The time and dollars that have been wasted talking and talking and talking so far on HC makes me sick. At least we're going nowhere instead of the wrong direction. I guess that's a net positive over the BO regime.
This is a win, the RINO conceded to the Conservative faction, they simply no longer have the pull they did in the past.
One vote is all it took, and it was McStains! Poetic justice. :biggrin:
Quote from: topside on July 18, 2017, 05:07:40 AM
We have been calling for repeal since Jan. 20th. Yes, even before - during the reign of BO. But those votes were infeasible; just for show.
The call for repeal by pubs is just wishful thinking to recover the fact they've failed to make Trump's HC promise happen.
The RINO's don't understand why they are there - they're too weak to unite behind the right approach from principles of our republic.
The time and dollars that have been wasted talking and talking and talking so far on HC makes me sick. At least we're going nowhere instead of the wrong direction. I guess that's a net positive over the BO regime.
Well ... that didn't take long.
http://therightscoop.com/of-course-third-senator-says-she-wont-allow-vote-on-repeal-bill-to-proceed/ (http://therightscoop.com/of-course-third-senator-says-she-wont-allow-vote-on-repeal-bill-to-proceed/)
Quote from: topside on July 18, 2017, 11:13:18 AM
Well ... that didn't take long.
http://therightscoop.com/of-course-third-senator-says-she-wont-allow-vote-on-repeal-bill-to-proceed/ (http://therightscoop.com/of-course-third-senator-says-she-wont-allow-vote-on-repeal-bill-to-proceed/)
Full repeal is dead in the water. The only thing to do now is to allow Bammycare to completely implode. Will the free marketplace take affect then or will the GOP finally submit the bill that was passed and Bammy vetoed? Either way, the GOP has to do something to save face; otherwise they are staring defeat in 2018 right in the eyes.
This whole deal shows just how weak and spineless GOPe is, and especially those in the senate. These clowns had no problem with repeal as long as Obama was around to protect their asses. I hope this convinces more conservatives to stand up and vote these phonies out.
Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 18, 2017, 11:57:19 AM
Full repeal is dead in the water. The only thing to do now is to allow Bammycare to completely implode. Will the free marketplace take affect then or will the GOP finally submit the bill that was passed and Bammy vetoed? Either way, the GOP has to do something to save face; otherwise they are staring defeat in 2018 right in the eyes.
This vote proved they know they're now in serious trouble and will lose power in 2018.
Each successive midterm has lessened the Establishments death grip on Congress, and 2018 will be the rope that hangs them.
Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2017, 01:04:08 PM
This vote proved they know they're now in serious trouble and will lose power in 2018.
Each successive midterm has lessened the Establishments death grip on Congress, and 2018 will be the rope that hangs them.
As I remember right since b o became president, his party has lost 63
House seats, 10 Senate seats and 14 governorships. And they say TEA is dead. :lol:
Quote from: walkstall on July 18, 2017, 01:33:18 PM
As I remember right since b o became president, his party has lost 63
House seats, 10 Senate seats and 14 governorships. And they say TEA is dead. :lol:
Tea isn't dead. It will never be dead as long as those who hold true to the republic are around. Tea is built of the stuff our nation was founded on. We will go to our graves defending what we believe - and the leftists hope we go sooner rather than later.
The question is whether Tea can become prominent enough to turn the leftist mess around. So far, I'm not seeing any signs of life. Tea is a minority that has had some success at stopping some irresponsible actions, e.g., HC replace shut down, but is ineffective / too weak to push forward changes that overcome the Dim / RINO leftists agenda (e.g., straight repeal - get govt. out of HC and remove the entitlement).
So Tea shut down the govt. HC replace initiative. Some say it will cost us the 2018 election. I'm not so certain, but I do know this - once you start compromising on the constitution and republic values, then you're contributing to the Marxist agenda and have lost your value. Tea should do what is right by our republic and constitution despite the consequences in the popular sector. I sure wish our congress would get the message.
Quote from: topside on July 18, 2017, 03:45:02 PM
Tea isn't dead. It will never be dead as long as those who hold true to the republic are around. Tea is built of the stuff our nation was founded on. We will go to our graves defending what we believe - and the leftists hope we go sooner rather than later.
The question is whether Tea can become prominent enough to turn the leftist mess around. So far, I'm not seeing any signs of life. Tea is a minority that has had some success at stopping some irresponsible actions, e.g., HC replace shut down, but is ineffective / too weak to push forward changes that overcome the Dim / RINO leftists agenda (e.g., straight repeal - get govt. out of HC and remove the entitlement).
So Tea shut down the govt. HC replace initiative. Some say it will cost us the 2018 election. I'm not so certain, but I do know this - once you start compromising on the constitution and republic values, then you're contributing to the Marxist agenda and have lost your value. Tea should do what is right by our republic and constitution despite the consequences in the popular sector. I sure wish our congress would get the message.
It was sarcasm, the leftist media told us at least three times a week that TEA was dead, so it became an on going joke. :biggrin:
Quote from: topside on July 18, 2017, 03:45:02 PM
Tea isn't dead. It will never be dead as long as those who hold true to the republic are around. Tea is built of the stuff our nation was founded on. We will go to our graves defending what we believe - and the leftists hope we go sooner rather than later.
He was being sarcastic... but you just went up a few notches in my book...
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The question is whether Tea can become prominent enough to turn the leftist mess around. So far, I'm not seeing any signs of life. Tea is a minority that has had some success at stopping some irresponsible actions, e.g., HC replace shut down, but is ineffective / too weak to push forward changes that overcome the Dim / RINO leftists agenda (e.g., straight repeal - get govt. out of HC and remove the entitlement).
It can. TEA brings forth something very potent: thinking, experience, and knowledge. Just little doses of this eradicate large swathes of liberalism.
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So Tea shut down the govt. HC replace initiative. Some say it will cost us the 2018 election. I'm not so certain, but I do know this - once you start compromising on the constitution and republic values, then you're contributing to the Marxist agenda and have lost your value. Tea should do what is right by our republic and constitution despite the consequences in the popular sector. I sure wish our congress would get the message.
I like you.
Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2017, 01:04:08 PM
This vote proved they know they're now in serious trouble and will lose power in 2018.
Each successive midterm has lessened the Establishments death grip on Congress, and 2018 will be the rope that hangs them.
* No repeal of Obamacare
* No tax cut -or- tax simplification
* No repatriation because no business tax cut.
= no more Republican majority. They are flat out blowing this opportunity, and guaranteeing Trump won't even consider a 2020 run.
Quote from: Hoofer on July 18, 2017, 05:54:00 PM
* No repeal of Obamacare
* No tax cut -or- tax simplification
* No repatriation because no business tax cut.
= no more Republican majority. They are flat out blowing this opportunity, and guaranteeing Trump won't even consider a 2020 run.
I don't believe that for a second. This is why I posted the midterms as proof, and the cycle continues unabated through 2018.
The people that gave Congress all those victories, didn't do it because they love the party, to the contrary, they hate leftists more than gop'E hacks, but knew, by watering down the Establishment candidates, we could eventually take over the party.
This vote was shy one gop Marxist, McStain, and they lost. McStain knows his time is up, as do many of these leftists in the party, and the trick of flooding a ballot with a bunch of loser candidates, so as to purge the one true Conservative from the ballot no longer works because we are on to their bull shit.
I expect to see a majority Conservative Congress come 2018. Trump knew the Establishment didn't have the vote a few weeks back when he began waffling on his Establishment support, and here we are today with Trump calling for a recall?
Fact is, the people have spoken and the Pubs are scared shitless of 2018, which is why they didn't support the Establishments socialized medicine bull shit.
Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2017, 04:57:43 PM
It was sarcasm, the leftist media told us at least three times a week that TEA was dead, so it became an on going joke. :biggrin:
Yes it was, I have 10.000 headstones for this year alone. It will be a slow year for me with Trump keep the MSM pissed off. :lol:
Quote from: walkstall on July 18, 2017, 07:28:31 PM
Yes it was, I have 10.000 headstones for this year alone. It will be a slow year for me with Trump keep the MSM pissed off. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
So true, they've all but forgotten about us for the time being, but I'm certain they'll claim once again come 2018 that we are nothing more than a shadow of our former self, a spirit, if you will.
Haunting the shit out of Marxists in both party's. :thumbsup:
I don't necessarily trust Senator Alexander, but this is an indicator of how far off of Conservative the Pub portion of the Senate is:
"Not only did they tank their replacement bill, but according to Senator Alexander, the Senate GOP doesn't even have 40 votes for a clean repeal. "
http://therightscoop.com/republican-senator-says-theres-not-even-40-votes-for-a-clean-repeal/ (http://therightscoop.com/republican-senator-says-theres-not-even-40-votes-for-a-clean-repeal/)
The Pubs have the power to change things for the better but are powerless - unable to change anything. Such a stark contrast to the Dims who would steadily continue flushing our country down the toilet if they still had control.
Clean repeal failed today: 45 - 55 against.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/26/obamacare-straight-repeal-fails-on-senate-vote.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/26/obamacare-straight-repeal-fails-on-senate-vote.html)
Not a surprise but disappointing ... was hopeful some would get sensible at the end.
Now, the Pubs would have had a very substantial time to consider what to do, if anything, beyond repeal. But some voted against this bill and so it is a vote by some of the RINO's against the administration. There is no other explanation. These traitorous RINO's need to be marked and put out as quickly as possible as they have shown they are not even RINO's ... they are purely far-Leftist Dim Marxist Libs.
I wasn't able to find who voted in which direction yet - not posted on the sites I check as of this posting.
That's fine. Conservatives are on the record, and it will be good campaign ammo when running against RINOs.
Congress should go on Obamacare NOW!!! They need to wallow in the sewage with everyone else.
How can we influence so that will happen?
Could it pass? I'd like the votes on that bill to get on record too - see who votes to keep it but then doesn't participate. All the Dims?. Probably. But which Pubs? I want to see them face-down in their own vomit.
If the GOP does not put together and pass a good bill we will end up with single payer. A lot is on the line here.
Again if these RINO didn't vote for this repeal and two-years to adjust, they are just Lib Marxists pretending to support the Republic. Here are the seven RINO traitors:
- Dean Heller (NV)
- Shelley Moore Capito (WV)
- John McCain (AZ)
- Lamar Alexander (TN)
- Rob Portman (OH)
- Susan Collins (ME)
- Lisa Murkowski (AK)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/26/the-six-senate-republicans-who-flip-flopped-in-favor-of-obamacare/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/26/the-six-senate-republicans-who-flip-flopped-in-favor-of-obamacare/)
By my math, we needed five of these to go the other way and Susan Collins is a lost cause.
Of these, only Susan Collins did not vote for the repeal in 2015. Portman is from my state - I didn't expect him to flip; I'm ashamed of him. He should be embarrassed and resign immediately - so stuck on federal handouts to fight opiates while he lets the working class that avoided drugs wallow in Obamacare. You shouldn't hold the country hostage and punish all of us in a nebulous attempt to save those who made a bad choice to abuse opiates.
Rob Portman - you just made a very bad choice. You've joined the Dims in pushing us further toward socialism; aligned with the liberals. I'm not sure who's pulling your strings but it's now certain / on record that you've sold out. You've kept us on track for single payer Portman - expensive, disgusting government run HC. Nice work. How could you do this! What you've done is so discouraging to those who stand for the Constitution and our Republic. No need to explain - there is no excuse. I'll be working regularly to encourage your replacement. The Dims are thanking you tonight Rob Portman - throwing a party on your behalf.
Quote from: topside on July 26, 2017, 07:40:17 PM
Again if these RINO didn't vote for this repeal and two-years to adjust, they are just Lib Marxists pretending to support the Republic. Here are the seven RINO traitors:
- Dean Heller (NV)
- Shelley Moore Capito (WV)
- John McCain (AZ)
- Lamar Alexander (TN)
- Rob Portman (OH)
- Susan Collins (ME)
- Lisa Murkowski (AK)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/26/the-six-senate-republicans-who-flip-flopped-in-favor-of-obamacare/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/26/the-six-senate-republicans-who-flip-flopped-in-favor-of-obamacare/)
Of these, only Susan Collins did not vote for the repeal in 2015. Portman is from my state - I didn't expect him to flip; I'm ashamed of him. He should be embarrassed and resign immediately - so stuck on federal handouts to fight opiates while he lets the working class that avoided drugs wallow in Obamacare. You shouldn't hold the country hostage and punish all of us in a nebulous attempt to save those who made a bad choice to abuse opiates.
Rob Portman - you just made a bad choice. You've joined the Dims in pushing us further toward socialism; aligned with the liberals. I'm not sure who's pulling your strings but it's now certain / on record that you've sold out. How could you do this! What you've done is so discouraging to those who stand for the Constitution and our Republic. I'll be working regularly to encourage your replacement.
Let's not forget, we have 48 Democrats who also need to be replaced.
Quote from: Hoofer on July 26, 2017, 07:45:51 PM
Let's not forget, we have 48 Democrats who also need to be replaced.
Yes - goes without saying. But at least we know to expect a pure socialist agenda from the Dims while their in office. Wouldn't it be amazing if a few Dims would grow some and decide to make a difference by standing against the lost Dim agenda and side with the Constitutional ideas that have served our country so well.
Hey Dims. I know you're watching. Why not fix HC so that the middle class can afford actual insurance vs. the crap that we pay a ton for now to subsidize those who you've decided need insurance. No - you'd rather blather on about the side-shows, e.g., which bathrooms transgenders can use. No common sense. You're useless. Come on Dim leaders ... you want a better Dim party? It doesn't start with a new slogan. Start by helping fix HC for the working class and getting government the hell out of the way.
Quote from: taxed on July 26, 2017, 01:52:09 PM
That's fine. Conservatives are on the record, and it will be good campaign ammo when running against RINOs.
Excellent point. The last thing these clowns wanted was to be on record.
I spoke to someone from Tea today who lives here in Ohio - he said that many are stinging from Portman's vote against the repeal yesterday. His take on Portman is that he has been in the pocket of the insurance companies for years.
That doesn't make sense to me. I would think that insurance companies would want a straight repeal so that the free market could take hold again. Also Portman is at least saying that he won't vote for anything that doesn't include medicare to work the Ohio opiate problem which might seem like a valid reason. But it doesn't make sense either - why punish the more common working man by holding out for those who chose to put themselves in a hard hole to get out of?
There's something off about Portman - evidenced by this last vote. We should check that his family is safe and not being held hostage by the Dims. Any thoughts on why Portman would do this?
He posted a press release @ https://www.portman.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=2E51067A-4F82-4D88-B291-31639C6A2490 (https://www.portman.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=2E51067A-4F82-4D88-B291-31639C6A2490)
It a perfect example of a RINO statement - should be used as an example. Basically it says that he's holding out for a repeal and replace - that simple repeal doesn't get the job done for the American people. He treats us like we're morons. They would have had two years to transition to a sustainable free market or put some other screwed up government control practice in. He again identifies the opiate epidemic which, as discussed above, makes no sense.
Hey Rob ... screwing the 95% who need relief from Obamacare to potentially help those who chose to be on opiates is an insane argument. You want respect? Then man up and confess why you really voted against the repeal. In your press release, either you are lying or showing that you have no common sense. Either way, you're unfit for the Senate. You and McCain should resign and go play golf or something - you're both just part of the swamp that needs to be drained - save us all the trouble. Or just defect to the Dim party - I'm sure the Dims will slap you on the back, thank you for your HC betrayal of the conservatives, and welcome you right in. Then you can sit around and talk about Transgender issues all day and the good 'ole Obama days when you fake-voted for HC repeal because you knew it wouldn't go anywhere.
You want to talk? Post an honest reason for your vote that holds water on this forum and then I might invite you to talk with me. I've wasted my time posting to your site with no real responses and won't waste my time anymore. You will want to talk to me someday because I'm going to burn every shred of credibility you've faked in the community where I live and work.
This is it. If the GOP f**k this up they are finished and the democrats will eventually give us single payer healthcare. Then they will be finished.
Skinny repeal was a joke but even it failed:
QuoteSenate Republicans failed to pass Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's proposed "skinny repeal" amendment in a vote Friday morning, signaling what could be the end to any hopes of repealing and replacing ObamaCare.
As the clock neared 2 a.m. ET, the amendment proposal failed, 51-49, with Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska joining Democrats in voting no.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/28/skinny-repeal-obamacare-fails-in-senate-as-3-republicans-vote-no.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/28/skinny-repeal-obamacare-fails-in-senate-as-3-republicans-vote-no.html)
Reveals at least three of the farthest left RINOs.
Obamacare repeal / replace is dead. Now we just stand by and watch Obamacare burn to the ground. Must paint repeal / replace targets on the RINOs and try and convince the people to vote out more Dims.
- McCain will be gone by natural causes before long.
- Not sure what pressure is being brought against Collins or Murkowski - but it should be worked daily.
I'm setting aside time weekly to get Portman repealed and/or replaced. He needs to go. There are plenty of promising alternatives to Portman. The problem is overcoming his name recognition. Not sure the Pub party can deal with that as they should.
Pure term limits keeps getting words but no action. As was said, it's the chickens guarding the coup - will never happen. Maybe the rules governing the actions of congress should be controlled by another branch. Maybe interpret it unconstitutional for congress to setup their own governance and have the executive recommend a governance structure (like term limits and congress HC) and judiciary approve it. That has a better chance of getting term limits.
Pretty much everything I've said is being ignored while most just whine about our losses and pretend it's going to get better. I thought some of the experience on this site might provide ideas on how to instigate action that would make a difference. I'm starting to think this forum isn't of much value except to feel better after a vent or rant. Or maybe just to read some bad humor.
But, anyway, I'll try again. I spoke to someone that identified that how Congress HC is controlled is not by law. So who could switch them over to Obamacare. Does anyone know how that process works?
Quote from: topside on July 28, 2017, 04:09:46 AM
Skinny repeal was a joke but even it failed:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/28/skinny-repeal-obamacare-fails-in-senate-as-3-republicans-vote-no.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/28/skinny-repeal-obamacare-fails-in-senate-as-3-republicans-vote-no.html)
Reveals at least three of the farthest left RINOs.
Obamacare repeal / replace is dead. Now we just stand by and watch Obamacare burn to the ground. Must paint repeal / replace targets on the RINOs and try and convince the people to vote out more Dims.
- McCain will be gone by natural causes before long.
- Not sure what pressure is being brought against Collins or Murkowski - but it should be worked daily.
I'm setting aside time weekly to get Portman repealed and/or replaced. He needs to go. There are plenty of promising alternatives to Portman. The problem is overcoming his name recognition. Not sure the Pub party can deal with that as they should.
Pure term limits keeps getting words but no action. As was said, it's the chickens guarding the coup - will never happen. Maybe the rules governing the actions of congress should be controlled by another branch. Maybe interpret it unconstitutional for congress to setup their own governance and have the executive recommend a governance structure (like term limits and congress HC) and judiciary approve it. That has a better chance of getting term limits.
Pretty much everything I've said is being ignored while most just whine about our losses and pretend it's going to get better. I thought some of the experience on this site might provide ideas on how to instigate action that would make a difference. I'm starting to think this forum isn't of much value except to feel better after a vent or rant. Or maybe just to read some bad humor.
But, anyway, I'll try again. I spoke to someone that identified that how Congress HC is controlled is not by law. So who could switch them over to Obamacare. Does anyone know how that process works?
Pretty simple. Congress would have to approve it.. That ai'nt going to happen.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 28, 2017, 04:23:32 AM
Pretty simple. Congress would have to approve it.. That ai'nt going to happen.
This suggests that you are mistaken Sup:
"It's also troubling that the Trump administration used executive powers to bail out insurers but will not use his lawful executive power to end Obama's order exempting members of Congress from paying the full Obamacare freight," Daniel Horowitz recently wrote at ConservativeReview.com. (//http://)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/29/trump-threatens-to-end-health-care-bailouts-for-insurers-lawmakers.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/29/trump-threatens-to-end-health-care-bailouts-for-insurers-lawmakers.html)
If Horowitz statement were true, I would think Trump would make the move quickly. Why wouldn't he? Is he just playing political games with HC similar to Ohio's dishonorable Mr. Portman?
Quote from: topside on July 30, 2017, 05:48:11 AM
This suggests that you are mistaken Sup:
"It's also troubling that the Trump administration used executive powers to bail out insurers but will not use his lawful executive power to end Obama's order exempting members of Congress from paying the full Obamacare freight," Daniel Horowitz recently wrote at ConservativeReview.com. (//http://)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/29/trump-threatens-to-end-health-care-bailouts-for-insurers-lawmakers.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/29/trump-threatens-to-end-health-care-bailouts-for-insurers-lawmakers.html)
If Horowitz statement were true, I would think Trump would make the move quickly. Why wouldn't he? Is he just playing political games with HC similar to Ohio's dishonorable Mr. Portman?
It seems to me a little bit of Obamacare was included for congress and staff to provide a little cover. However, if he did something congress would just go back to their old sweetheart scheme before Obamacare.