Quote from: Walter Josh on May 06, 2018, 09:19:27 PM
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Respectfully disagree strongly yet you're entitled to your opinion.
The msm plays this snare drum 24/7/365 because they know two big things:
* Trump simply cannot resist talking/tweeting about collusion/obstruction.
* It raises their viewership, increasing ratings which inflates advertising revenue.
So let's discuss China, one of three 'foreign matters' on the boil!
In 2017 we incurred a $375 billion trade deficit w/them, as we
have for some 20 years; aggregating more than $6.0 trillion.
Trump correctly raised hell over this and China agreed to trade
talks which were held in Beijing on Thursday. We argued our case,
presented our demands and awaited their response.
They demurred, telling us they would get back to us. When?
Er..... perhaps sometime next year. Wow, some sense of urgency.
Our delegation packed up and left and are now back in DC.
Headlines from the Financial Times(London) and the Wall Street Journal (Asia)
blared "China/USA Trade Talks end as soon as they began". Some success huh?
And Trump's impact was non-existent!
Moral of the tale is real simple. Our success w/Korea, w/China and w/Iran
is more than important, it's vital. What interests the media is bullshit!

Walter, why is it so important we walk away with little to show for our efforts? After decades of capitulation and giving up the store, Trump said FU, either We get what we want or the deal is off.
And you take issue with that? AS a lifelong CEO myself, Trump did exactly the right thing. Give it time, we hold all the cards in this game, China depends on us, not the other way around.
As evidenced by how quickly the Nation ramped up for WWII production. If necessary, Americans will gladly sacrifice for the short time while America rebuilds its manufacturing base and leaves China in the dust.

Quote from: s3779m on May 07, 2018, 03:05:40 AM
Our problems with Korea and Iran did not occur just because Trump became president, just like the trade deficit did not occur overnight. But what I do see in your opinion, which we know you are entitled to, if these talks do not go a certain way and deliver a certain way it will be because Trump in not laser focused. Looking back, it was Trump who brought Korea and China along this far. We will not get any of this solved overnight and in the past it has been our impatience which has got us bad deals.  The fact that an agreement with China has not been reached after one set of meetings show that we did not give in just to make a deal. This will not happen overnight. But, President Trump has accomplished more in foreign policy in one year than past presidents have in 24 years. He must be doing something right.

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I voted for Trump and wish him well, hardly for my edification,
but for the sake of the nation whose best interests he does feel.
Nevertheless, I have no illusions about him, given his temperament,
nor do I engage in happy talk.
Obviously he caused none of these problems, yet has been given
an opportunity by circumstance plus his nature to speak boldly.
Certainly to his credit, raising awareness was long past due, yet his
achievements in foreign affairs surely remain in the 'we shall see'
category rather than in the 'well done' category.
The Trade Meeting w/China was illustrative, as it pointed to China's
chronic bad faith in trade for more than a generation, all over the world.
Equally illustrative was their retort that they accepted no blame for this
behavior and and would get back to us whenever.
For China, since it's earliest days of the Qin and Han Dynasties, words
have meant little and actions everything to Chinese leadership; a reality
Trump will very likely have to confront sooner rather than later.
We shall see.




 

Quote from: Walter Josh on May 07, 2018, 11:50:09 AM
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I voted for Trump and wish him well, hardly for my edification,
but for the sake of the nation whose best interests he does feel.
Nevertheless, I have no illusions about him, given his temperament,
nor do I engage in happy talk.
Obviously he caused none of these problems, yet has been given
an opportunity by circumstance plus his nature to speak boldly.
Certainly to his credit, raising awareness was long past due, yet his
achievements in foreign affairs surely remain in the 'we shall see'
category rather than in the 'well done' category.
The Trade Meeting w/China was illustrative, as it pointed to China's
chronic bad faith in trade for more than a generation, all over the world.
Equally illustrative was their retort that they accepted no blame for this
behavior and and would get back to us whenever.
For China, since it's earliest days of the Qin and Han Dynasties, words
have meant little and actions everything to Chinese leadership; a reality
Trump will very likely have to confront sooner rather than later.
We shall see.

His achievements are too long to list, but to name a few, Saudi Arabia, that one is huge, especially where it gutted the Dim party donations.
Add to that,  Defeating ISIS.

Rebuilding the military.

Building a border wall. (in progress)

Cutting funding for sanctuary cities.

Reducing regulations on manufacturers.

Placing a hiring freeze on federal employees. ETC...

Or had you not noticed?

Quote from: Solar on May 07, 2018, 06:53:51 AM
Walter, why is it so important we walk away with little to show for our efforts? After decades of capitulation and giving up the store, Trump said FU, either We get what we want or the deal is off.
And you take issue with that? AS a lifelong CEO myself, Trump did exactly the right thing. Give it time, we hold all the cards in this game, China depends on us, not the other way around.
As evidenced by how quickly the Nation ramped up for WWII production. If necessary, Americans will gladly sacrifice for the short time while America rebuilds its manufacturing base and leaves China in the dust.

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Solar,
Agree we certainly need not walk away empty handed.
Also agree that by calling attention to China, Trump did us
and the world a large favor.
My core point is direct and simple.
There are several serious issues on the front burner now and
as any CEO, such as your good-self knows, one has to prioritize;
so I urge him to move this collusion /obstruction malarkey from
his Dining Room to the detached garage.

Now that Mueller is being raped on the Manafort "reschedule this thing forever", and the "Russians who will never show up and will be found guilty in absentia" actually SHOWING UP for discovery...............

..here comes this one - http://freebeacon.com/issues/fbi-delays-release-communications-firm-examined-dnc-servers/?utm_source=Freedom+Mail&utm_campaign=a2cbcefe3c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_05_04&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b5e6e0e9ea-a2cbcefe3c-45941157

Mueller being told to give up the Hillary server communications with Crowdstrike, and trying to avoid it.

Looks like Mueller is enjoying several loser-blowouts just as bad as Anthrax !!

Throw in Flynn too.  What a hilarious show.

Quote from: Walter Josh on May 07, 2018, 12:16:09 PM
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Solar,
Agree we certainly need not walk away empty handed.
Also agree that by calling attention to China, Trump did us
and the world a large favor.
My core point is direct and simple.
There are several serious issues on the front burner now and
as any CEO, such as your good-self knows, one has to prioritize;
so I urge him to move this collusion /obstruction malarkey from
his Dining Room to the detached garage.

The left is doing that for him, except this time it's not the garage, it'll be a holding cell.

Quote from: Walter Josh on May 07, 2018, 12:16:09 PM
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Solar,
Agree we certainly need not walk away empty handed.
Also agree that by calling attention to China, Trump did us
and the world a large favor.
My core point is direct and simple.
There are several serious issues on the front burner now and
as any CEO, such as your good-self knows, one has to prioritize;
so I urge him to move this collusion /obstruction malarkey from
his Dining Room to the detached garage.

OTOH, I sometimes get the feeling Trump uses the left's own distractions against them. While they're harping on this or that "collusion" story, or going wild over the latest Trump tweet, Trump and his administration do things like negotiate one of the largest tax cuts in history, cutting back scores of overbearing EPA and other regulations, brought NK to the negotiations table, convinced a number of NATO allies to honor their financial commitments, enacted a variety of policies which has unemployment down to 3.9%, Black and Hispanic unemployment down to historic lows, and a whole host of other accomplishments which the MSM have been too busy with tweets and collusion theories to tell J.Q.Public how bad they are doing under Trump.

https://twitter.com/dominicholden/status/993558810404052992

Quote from: The Boo Man... on May 07, 2018, 05:40:32 PM
https://twitter.com/dominicholden/status/993558810404052992

One more down and out. 

How that wave going for them. 

Quote from: walkstall on May 07, 2018, 07:05:01 PM
One more down and out. 

How that wave going for them. 

As Solar said the blue wave is just Ty-D-Bol swirling around the toilet.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on May 07, 2018, 07:25:04 PM
As Solar said the blue wave is just Ty-D-Bol swirling around the toilet.

Quote from: Solar on May 10, 2018, 07:32:16 AM

If the blue wave is just Ty-D-Bol swirling around the toilet does that make Tom Perez a urinal cake?

Quote from: The Boo Man... on May 10, 2018, 05:37:31 PM
If the blue wave is just Ty-D-Bol swirling around the toilet does that make Tom Perez a urinal cake?

That would actually mean he has a purpose. Nah, he's the turd that plugs the line.

Quote from: Solar on May 10, 2018, 08:46:08 PM
That would actually mean he has a purpose. Nah, he's the turd that plugs the line.

So, he's worse than a urinal cake. The only thing worse than a urinal cake is....being the head of the DNC! And we've come full circle folks.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on May 10, 2018, 11:30:10 PM
So, he's worse than a urinal cake. The only thing worse than a urinal cake is....being the head of the DNC! And we've come full circle folks.

Yep, urinal cakes have a place in society and serve a purpose, as opposed to the DNC which literally plays the opposite function.