Quote from: Charliemyboy on February 18, 2016, 03:33:28 PM
I've seen some of the treasures at the Vatican and I'm sure that what is on public display is the tip of the iceberg compared to what's hidden away.  If the pope is so concerned about refugees and illegal aliens, let him sell them and give the money to their assistance.  This guy is a Communist from the streets of Argentina and got lucky when he was elected pope.  He lives in splendor with many other priests (And some nuns who are uh......housekeepers) and has a summer palace for when Rome gets too hot. He says that building walls is not in the gospels, but I don't believe a pope is either.  I know the bible says that Jesus told Peter "Upon you I will build my church" but that is a far cry from telling him to be a pope and become wealthy at the expense of the poor.  In fact, several years ago I read that 3/4 of the money which supports that nonsense comes from the US.  Also, those who give a lot can become nobility, for instance Rose Kennedy was a Countess. 

The pope of Rome has no business interfering in our election and the whole idea of popes is ridiculous.

Oh yeah.  He looks like Gomer Pyle in a dress.

You are right, the treasures we see on display ARE just the tip of the iceberg of what the Vatican really has. There's works of art by artists like Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Raphael etc...that are in the Pope's private residence! Many are held in a secret storage facility beneath the Vatican as well.

There are even some, works held by the vatican that can't be accessed by anyone, other than the Pope himself.

It's hard telling what knowledge mankind has "lost" that's sitting in the archives of the Vatican.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on February 18, 2016, 04:31:30 PM
This is why the Catholic church is failing in all but the third world crap holes like Mexico and other parts of South America (phony Catholics or CINO's) Conservative Catholics like myself and Mrs Billy, beleive we have almost no place in the Church due to our political beliefs, we are outspoken against abortion, which seems to only get passing lip service and outspoken against ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS (Mrs Billy is a legal resident immigrant) which the Church seems to coddle and even facilitate.

So if his Holiness is so concerned about immigrants and unchristian acts then he should go don to predominately CATHOLIC Mexico and tell them how unchristian it is to shoot fellow Catholics from Guatemala when they cross the border, or how the body count in Narco terrorist controlled Mexico and to some extent Columbia now exceeds the US casualties in the Vietnam war.

It works like this folks....The CHurch wants a high body count, and the easiest way to get your numbers up in your parish is to invite immigrant families to church on Sunday and "help and assist them in anyway possible" in others words operate a a big sanctuary city in violation of the law.

The problem started with the leftists infiltrating and changing the focus of the church to Social issues, a gospel of guilt & socialism under the guise of helping lift up fellow man.  Pick up any Catholic encyclopedia current and +70 years ago, and compare the same topics, the directional shift to "the social gospel" is stunning.  Current pope is right in line with the newer philosophy.

Quote from: Hoofer on February 19, 2016, 05:12:18 PM

The problem started with the leftists infiltrating and changing the focus of the church to Social issues, a gospel of guilt & socialism under the guise of helping lift up fellow man.  Pick up any Catholic encyclopedia current and +70 years ago, and compare the same topics, the directional shift to "the social gospel" is stunning.  Current pope is right in line with the newer philosophy.

When I went to Catholic school We used to pray every day for the scourge of communism to end, we used to pray for the Cuban people suffering under Castro...... now they tout 'socialism' and rub elbows with the Castro's like they are some kind of hero's

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on February 19, 2016, 05:43:25 PM


When I went to Catholic school We used to pray every day for the scourge of communism to end, we used to pray for the Cuban people suffering under Castro...... now they tout 'socialism' and rub elbows with the Castro's like they are some kind of hero's

And some people say it's because the Mass is no longer said in Latin, Priest faces the people, etc., etc.
I think a part of the problem was the massive building campaign during the 1960's, and expectations all those seminaries would be filled with Baby Boomers - absolutely fell flat, and nearly bankrupted many parishes.

During that time, I remember seeing a long sheet of paper, an accounting, posted on the doors as you exited, with the dollar value amount each family contributed the previous year.  Yeah... mixed feelings about that!

When we were filling a little bowl with change, for needy children in fill-in-the-blank-country (per my mom), the smart ass kid I was, "Name TWO, mom."  Unfortunately, I was well within her reach.

The '60s brought many changes, revolution to America and the Churches in general - I'd say it was the beginning of the Church loosing focus on the Gospel, which just swung open the floodgates to Socialism, Communism and moral relativism.  So, adapting to societal trends, a huge mistake - removing /lessoning the "moral rudder" so-to-speak.   Just an observation... the American Roman Catholic Church is as corrupt as Donald Trump.

Sorry and no offense to the Catholics on the board but the Roman Catholic church has a long history of building walls between the church and other Christian faiths.  Not always other faiths though. 

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 19, 2016, 07:31:33 PM
Sorry and no offense to the Catholics on the board but the Roman Catholic church has a long history of building walls between the church and other Christian faiths.  Not always other faiths though.

I have been on this fascinating ride for a great many years called Earth.      From what I can see they all do that in one way or the other . 

Quote from: walkstall on February 19, 2016, 08:02:00 PM
I have been on this fascinating ride for a great many years called Earth.      From what I can see they all do that in one way or the other .

Building walls, and trying to protect their personal Utopian dream is the nature of man.  Jesus didn't have so much as a stone to lay his head on...  what a contrast.

Perhaps the Pope should spend a few nights in the ghetto. He might rethink some things.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on February 19, 2016, 05:43:25 PM


When I went to Catholic school We used to pray every day for the scourge of communism to end, we used to pray for the Cuban people suffering under Castro...... now they tout 'socialism' and rub elbows with the Castro's like they are some kind of hero's

Just like our government.

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 19, 2016, 07:31:33 PM
Sorry and no offense to the Catholics on the board but the Roman Catholic church has a long history of building walls between the church and other Christian faiths.  Not always other faiths though.

The Roman Catholic Church has a lonnnnnnng history. Yes. Roughly 2,000 years or so if you toss in all the saints and so forth. They were also first, and any good union man or politician will attest that seniority counts and always will.

As for building walls, read this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/world/americas/pope-arrives-in-cuba-for-historic-meeting-with-russian-orthodox-leader.html?_r=0

Quote from: walkstall on February 19, 2016, 08:02:00 PM
I have been on this fascinating ride for a great many years called Earth.      From what I can see they all do that in one way or the other .

Well true.  Every denomination has doctrine but the structure of the Roman Catholic church has created a history that we all have to carry in the Christian name.  It is the fact that the Pope believes that he has the moral authority over the world.  The succession and there have been many corrupt popes.  The pope is just a human being.  And just like Islam Roman Catholicism isn't just a religion but a law, and government.  It is a state and it believes it holds authority over the world and every single Christian denomination.  Hold Statehood at UN.  So it is oppressive to the world and especially other Christian denominations.

I believe the Catholic church has done good and bad things.  It is loosing its moral authority as it moves further and further left in its positions.  You can see with any subject Catholics can and do accept or reject the Popes judgment as was with this case.  And they should because he is a man not Jesus.  I am thankful for the good moral judgment that many American leaders have used in their governing of the United States.  There are others who have discarded almost every good and right dictate from the Bible to govern. 

http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/topics/politics/TheCatholicChurchattheUnitedNationsChurchorState.asp



 

Quote from: Hoofer on February 19, 2016, 09:27:11 PM
Building walls, and trying to protect their personal Utopian dream is the nature of man.  Jesus didn't have so much as a stone to lay his head on...  what a contrast.

This is one major thing that stands out to me about the Roman Catholic church.  Its wealth.  I don't get that from the Bible.  Jesus rode in on a donkey.  He didn't have a place to lie his head.  He didn't own gold or wealth in any way.  His wealth is in Heaven with God.

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 20, 2016, 10:00:41 AM
This is one major thing that stands out to me about the Roman Catholic church.  Its wealth.  I don't get that from the Bible.  Jesus rode in on a donkey.  He didn't have a place to lie his head.  He didn't own gold or wealth in any way.  His wealth is in Heaven with God.

Wealth... "Is in Eye of the Beholder."  He who walked the earth for the great one, could do and see what we can not.  So why would he need what we think is wealth?

Quote from: walkstall on February 20, 2016, 10:16:37 AM

Wealth... "Is in Eye of the Beholder."  He who walked the earth for the great one, could do and see what we can not.  So why would he need what we think is wealth?

I am not Catholic could you clarify who you are talking about (great one and he)

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 20, 2016, 10:38:25 AM
I am not Catholic could you clarify who you are talking about (great one and he)

LOL Why would you think I am Catholic?

I am not Catholic also.  I am a U.S. half breed Western Cherokee/Heinz 57.  The Great One and He goes by a great many name, just like Santa Claus.