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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2012, 08:52:19 PM »
That's exactly what it was, even the family of the victim didn't want him to go to prison.
Hell, it was kids being stupid, they weren't even wearing seat belts and he wasn't even drunk according to police.

Should we throw the full weight of the courts every time something bad happens?
I certainly wouldn't want to be a kid in this day and age, considering all the stupid stuff I used to get away with.

I would have been in jail at the age of 9 more then once.   :ohmy: 
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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2012, 05:15:40 AM »


Did you take a life with your stupidity? Cause if you didn't than youre not comparing apples to apples here.

Full weight of the law thrown at this young man? No, but much more than "you gotta go to church and finish school".
So the law should ignore the wishes of the victims family?
What good does prison do, when this was not a crime of malice, but stupidity, punish an act of stupidity the same as one of intent?
The kids were being stupid, the victim is equally culpable in that he neglected to protect himself by wearing a seat belt.
No, this was nothing more than Darwin's law in effect.
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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2012, 05:18:09 AM »
I would have been in jail at the age of 9 more then once.   :ohmy:
Yep, I'd be in solitary for life.
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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2012, 05:34:08 AM »
Solar,

"Which Folks Do ya Support"

Not an easy question?

Good, Moral, Positive, Kick Ass Winners?

Moral Equivalency?     

Now that I know your IQ is 160....YOU cannot duck the question... :popcorn:

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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2012, 06:16:23 AM »
Solar,

"Which Folks Do ya Support"

Not an easy question?

Good, Moral, Positive, Kick Ass Winners?

Moral Equivalency?     

Now that I know your IQ is 160....YOU cannot duck the question... :popcorn:
Context? Is it something to do with the OP, or completely out of context to the article?
I haven't a clue as to what you're asking.
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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2012, 06:23:57 AM »
Good Point...Solar

It is About Your Conservative Orientaion....an not about a GivenThread;
'Obviously you are ANTI anything that Smacks of Liberal.....

But you ARE a very Smart Person......

We, as a Country Have Complex Problems:

What needs to happen IYO....

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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2012, 06:48:23 AM »
Good Point...Solar

It is About Your Conservative Orientaion....an not about a GivenThread;
'Obviously you are ANTI anything that Smacks of Liberal.....

But you ARE a very Smart Person......

We, as a Country Have Complex Problems:

What needs to happen IYO....

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Let's not derail the thread, so make this the last post on your question.

What needs to happen, will never happen, what is taking place, took decades to congeal.
Thank our so called "greatest generation", they screwed the rest of us, even my own father born at the turn of the last century apologized for screwing us.

I see no way out of this mess, the leftists generation cares nothing of history and ignores the consequences there of.
It's also why I posed the ridiculous question what if we lose the country in the next four years, do we help bankrupt it into submission, or actually fight in the physical sense.

I've always been an optimist, but with both party's full of liberals, I no longer see our silver lining, that is unless we can wrestle both Houses back come mid term, otherwise I see no righting this great ship, only scuttling it.

For future reference, IQ equivalency is a complete joke, it's a tool used by the academe as a way of justifying their worthless existence, the majority of educated people I know are some of the stupidest people the walk the earth.
The most intelligent people i know never needed college to succeed, success came natural as did their intellect.

If you really wanted a true measurement of intellect, there should be a commonsense test, not a memory test.
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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2012, 07:03:41 AM »
Let's not derail the thread, so make this the last post on your question.

What needs to happen, will never happen, what is taking place, took decades to congeal.
Thank our so called "greatest generation", they screwed the rest of us, even my own father born at the turn of the last century apologized for screwing us.

I see no way out of this mess, the leftists generation cares nothing of history and ignores the consequences there of.
It's also why I posed the ridiculous question what if we lose the country in the next four years, do we help bankrupt it into submission, or actually fight in the physical sense.

I've always been an optimist, but with both party's full of liberals, I no longer see our silver lining, that is unless we can wrestle both Houses back come mid term, otherwise I see no righting this great ship, only scuttling it.

For future reference, IQ equivalency is a complete joke, it's a tool used by the academe as a way of justifying their worthless existence, the majority of educated people I know are some of the stupidest people the walk the earth.
The most intelligent people i know never needed college to succeed, success came natural as did their intellect.

If you really wanted a true measurement of intellect, there should be a commonsense test, not a memory test.

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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2012, 09:15:32 AM »
So the law should ignore the wishes of the victims family?
What good does prison do, when this was not a crime of malice, but stupidity, punish an act of stupidity the same as one of intent?
The kids were being stupid, the victim is equally culpable in that he neglected to protect himself by wearing a seat belt.
No, this was nothing more than Darwin's law in effect.


It shouldn't ignore the wishes of the victims family, but when  a life is taken it should act as equally in judgement across the board no matter the wishes from families.

I dont think life in prison would be the right punishment here, but I could certainly see them putting him in Juvenile detention until 18, probably less than a year, and then require him to do community service until 21, going from school to school talking about his actions and what it cost him. That would at least be better than painting church as a punishment.
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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2012, 09:57:24 AM »

It shouldn't ignore the wishes of the victims family, but when  a life is taken it should act as equally in judgement across the board no matter the wishes from families.

I dont think life in prison would be the right punishment here, but I could certainly see them putting him in Juvenile detention until 18, probably less than a year, and then require him to do community service until 21, going from school to school talking about his actions and what it cost him. That would at least be better than painting church as a punishment.
Show me where he bent the rule of law or didn't act equally across the board..
The only ones pissed about the outcome of the trial is the ACLU, and I have no problem with that.

He could easily have given suspended sentence had he wished, but he didn't.
This was a class Class D felony, one in which retains leniency from the court, especially where a minor is concerned, or someone under 18.

Now show me he bent the rules of law.
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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2012, 10:07:28 AM »
I'll save you the embarrassment, scroll down to Oklahoma, the state where he adjudicates.

http://www.madd.org/laws/law-overview/Vehicular_Homicide_Overview.pdf
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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2012, 10:31:30 AM »
I'll save you the embarrassment, scroll down to Oklahoma, the state where he adjudicates.

http://www.madd.org/laws/law-overview/Vehicular_Homicide_Overview.pdf




No need to be embarrassed here, even the judge called his actions "unconstitutional". 

Just because the state allows for "leniency" doesn't mean it calls for "unconstitutional" treatment, no matter how much some people wish to upset the "ACLU".   

I'd say this is a case where a judge, and those like minds of the judge, used a tragedy to push their religious agenda to stick it to groups that they dont like rather than focusing on a proper punishment that could really help the young man, and others, learn from his mistakes.
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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2012, 11:13:16 AM »


No need to be embarrassed here, even the judge called his actions "unconstitutional". 
So now you change your tune. :laugh:
The part that could be called unconstitutional is sending him to church, but regardless, it was legal because all party's agreed to the terms.
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Just because the state allows for "leniency" doesn't mean it calls for "unconstitutional" treatment, no matter how much some people wish to upset the "ACLU".   
So he did it to piss off the ACLU?
You're a riot!

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I'd say this is a case where a judge, and those like minds of the judge, used a tragedy to push their religious agenda to stick it to groups that they dont like rather than focusing on a proper punishment that could really help the young man, and others, learn from his mistakes.
So now the law was designed as punishment?
It's a class D felony, one where judicial discretion may be applied, sending him back to school sounds like the law being applied was one of rehabilitation.
Study the law, it gives great latitude when deciding ones fate, accidental death is not always seen as a crime.

Keep in mind, this kid was well liked by the family, I can't say I'd feel the same way if it were my son, but this was their choice and the judge agreed.
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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2012, 11:50:16 AM »
So now you change your tune. :laugh:



No, Im not. Judges do not equally knowingly act unconstitutional.

The part that could be called unconstitutional is sending him to church, but regardless, it was legal because all party's agreed to the terms.So he did it to piss off the ACLU?

He did it knowing that it would upset people like the ACLU, and knowing it was "unconstitutional".

So now the law was designed as punishment?
It's a class D felony, one where judicial discretion may be applied, sending him back to school sounds like the law being applied was one of rehabilitation.
Study the law, it gives great latitude when deciding ones fate, accidental death is not always seen as a crime.

Keep in mind, this kid was well liked by the family, I can't say I'd feel the same way if it were my son, but this was their choice and the judge agreed.


Sending him to school isn't a punishment, it's a privilege. Sending someone to church shouldn't be a punishment either.

When you get behind the wheel of a vehicle drunk and kill someone it should go from accidental death to manslaughter. Maybe involuntary but still manslaughter.


Am glad you can at least see a different side based on it being your son though. 
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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2012, 12:10:16 PM »

No, Im not. Judges do not equally knowingly act unconstitutional.
What he did was legal, had he not had an agreement between the two party's and made the same ruling, it then and only then could be considered unconstitutional.

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He did it knowing that it would upset people like the ACLU, and knowing it was "unconstitutional".
Your ignorance of the law exposes your bias.

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Sending him to school isn't a punishment, it's a privilege. Sending someone to church shouldn't be a punishment either.
He is being forced to do something he may not have done on his own, doing so is called arrest, so yes, this is a form of court arrest and punishment.
But then, it was not really meant to be the kind of punishment you would like doled out, in it's stead it's designed as a rehabilitative sentence, one that is well within the law.
 
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When you get behind the wheel of a vehicle drunk and kill someone it should go from accidental death to manslaughter. Maybe involuntary but still manslaughter.
He wasn't drunk!!!!!

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Am glad you can at least see a different side based on it being your son though.

I've always been open minded, nothing has changed.
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