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Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« on: November 21, 2012, 01:28:20 PM »
Teen sentenced to 10 years of church attendance

 Religion News Services reports Judge Mike Norman gave Tyler Alred, 17, a 10-year deferred sentence for DUI manslaughter. Alred was driving a pickup truck that crashed and killed a passenger in December 2011.

In deferring the sentence, the judge not only ordered Alred to a decade of church attendance, but also required him to finish high school and welding school.

Alred's attorney and the victim's family agreed to the terms of the sentence.

The ACLU in Oklahoma calls the church requirement a "clear violation of the First Amendment."
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=23047435&nid=1016&title=teen-sentenced-to-10-years-of-church-attendance&s_cid=queue-5


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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2012, 01:33:27 PM »
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The ACLU in Oklahoma calls the church requirement a "clear violation of the First Amendment."

The wicked ACLU is again WRONG because.....
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Alred's attorney and the victim's family agreed to the terms of the sentence.

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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2012, 01:37:00 PM »
The wicked ACLU is again WRONG because.....
I loved that part, it literally tied the ACLU hands behind their backs.
They so badly wanted to intervene, only to sit in the corner and sulk. :laugh:
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2012, 01:53:43 PM »
I loved that part, it literally tied the ACLU hands behind their backs.
They so badly wanted to intervene, only to sit in the corner and sulk. :laugh:

I'm sure this is not forced religion. His option was to go to prison. His pick. :smile:

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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2012, 01:56:33 PM »
I loved that part, it literally tied the ACLU hands behind their backs.
They so badly wanted to intervene, only to sit in the corner and sulk. :laugh:

If the ACLU were to intervene and successfully thrown the church 'sentence' out, I imagine the kid will instead have to spend some time in jail. I'm sure they'd rather have that outcome than have the First Amendment 'violated'.
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2012, 04:19:13 PM »
Now wait a minute....you'll have some idiot in the ACLU and the Obamao commie regime say this is why they need to adopt some UN resolution about parents not being able to discipline their children or agreeing to discipline their children by the CJS.


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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2012, 06:51:23 PM »
I've always been opposed to these kinds of sentences - regardless of the religious aspect.

This kid gets away with manslaughter and has to attend church for 10 years.

Some black kid in the inner city would probably get hard time.

Is that "Equal Justice Under the Law"?

I don't think so!
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2012, 07:21:04 PM »
I've always been opposed to these kinds of sentences - regardless of the religious aspect.

This kid gets away with manslaughter and has to attend church for 10 years.

Some black kid in the inner city would probably get hard time.

Is that "Equal Justice Under the Law"?

I don't think so!

Do you know for a fact that black judges in predominantly black communities don't do creative sentencing?

There is more to the story, keep in mind, the victims family wanted leniency as well.

Dum died Dec. 3, 2011, after being ejected from a Chevrolet pickup driven by Alred at 4 a.m. on a county road a few miles east of Muskogee. The pickup veered off the east side of the road and struck a tree before going airborne. Dum was pinned under the vehicle and pronounced dead at the scene. Alred and a third teenager also in the vehicle were uninjured. Neither Alred nor Dum were wearing seatbelts.

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Alred was taken to jail under suspicion of driving under the influence but was then released to a guardian. When a warrant for his arrest didn't come until February, Dum’s parents wondered why it took two months for the district attorney’s office to determine whether charges would be filed. Alred was charged as a youthful offender, giving the courts wide latitude, ranging from rehabilitation with the Oklahoma Juvenile Authority to a full adult sentence in prison.

Alred pleaded guilty in August in a blind plea, meaning he would accept whatever sentence the judge decided and there was no plea bargain.

During the sentencing hearing, one of Dum’s two sisters said there was no sense in ruining two lives by sending Alred to prison. Alred’s lawyer told the judge that his client’s life was hanging in the balance.

“The issue you have, judge, is whether we’re going to destroy two lives,” Baker said. “One we can’t do anything about. The other, like they said, you’re the judge, so it’s up to you. I usually represent outlaws, and criminals. This is a kid that made a mistake. Judge, I think he’s worth saving.”

Taking into account Alred’s clean criminal and school records, Judge Norman agreed. After completing the rest of the requirements in his sentence, Alred will have the charge removed from his record.

“Only time will tell if we’ve saved Tyler Alred’s life,” the judge said.
http://www.abpnews.com/ministry/people/item/7981-teen-sentenced-to-church-for-manslaughter#.UK2ZF4YstOY
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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2012, 07:31:33 PM »
Do you know for a fact that black judges in predominantly black communities don't do creative sentencing?

There is more to the story, keep in mind, the victims family wanted leniency as well.

Dum died Dec. 3, 2011, after being ejected from a Chevrolet pickup driven by Alred at 4 a.m. on a county road a few miles east of Muskogee. The pickup veered off the east side of the road and struck a tree before going airborne. Dum was pinned under the vehicle and pronounced dead at the scene. Alred and a third teenager also in the vehicle were uninjured. Neither Alred nor Dum were wearing seatbelts.

tyler alredTyler Alred
Alred was taken to jail under suspicion of driving under the influence but was then released to a guardian. When a warrant for his arrest didn't come until February, Dum’s parents wondered why it took two months for the district attorney’s office to determine whether charges would be filed. Alred was charged as a youthful offender, giving the courts wide latitude, ranging from rehabilitation with the Oklahoma Juvenile Authority to a full adult sentence in prison.

Alred pleaded guilty in August in a blind plea, meaning he would accept whatever sentence the judge decided and there was no plea bargain.

During the sentencing hearing, one of Dum’s two sisters said there was no sense in ruining two lives by sending Alred to prison. Alred’s lawyer told the judge that his client’s life was hanging in the balance.

“The issue you have, judge, is whether we’re going to destroy two lives,” Baker said. “One we can’t do anything about. The other, like they said, you’re the judge, so it’s up to you. I usually represent outlaws, and criminals. This is a kid that made a mistake. Judge, I think he’s worth saving.”

Taking into account Alred’s clean criminal and school records, Judge Norman agreed. After completing the rest of the requirements in his sentence, Alred will have the charge removed from his record.

“Only time will tell if we’ve saved Tyler Alred’s life,” the judge said.
http://www.abpnews.com/ministry/people/item/7981-teen-sentenced-to-church-for-manslaughter#.UK2ZF4YstOY


Do you know for a fact that they do?

Maybe I'm a tad bitter.

I had a niece die in prison after she received the maximum sentence for selling drugs (as a first offense). She wasn't a "dealer" she was selling for the same reason most druggies sell - to make money to support their habit. The effing D.A. wanted to make a name for himself.

Everybody's got a sob story! If you get the right judge, or can hire a high powered lawyer, you get off light.

If not, you get screwed!



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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2012, 07:36:32 PM »
I've always been opposed to these kinds of sentences - regardless of the religious aspect.

This kid gets away with manslaughter and has to attend church for 10 years.

Some black kid in the inner city would probably get hard time.

Is that "Equal Justice Under the Law"?

I don't think so!


Agreed. 

'School, church, and welding school' isn't a punishment for taking a life.  Not to mention the fact that this type of sentence sets a bad example for other kids that are thinking about being idiots , drinking while driving. 

Though setting in church is like being in prison, it still doesn't quite cut it, just my opinion.  :thumbdown:
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Re: Pissing Off The Libs and ACLU
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2012, 07:53:53 PM »
I am completely opposed to this sentence.

1.  Church is not a punishment.

2.  In no way can they enforce it.

3.   He could choose a "church" like Westborough Baptist, which obviously, is not going to help anyone.

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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2012, 07:57:57 PM »
I don't think it's meant to be punishment.  It is rehabilitation.  It's going to school to learn basic morality.

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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2012, 08:01:06 PM »
I am completely opposed to this sentence.

1.  Church is not a punishment.

2.  In no way can they enforce it.

3.   He could choose a "church" like Westborough Baptist, which obviously, is not going to help anyone.

I'm torn. I don't believe that church was intended to be a punishment.

I think it was intended to give this dumb kid a new lease on life...............maybe reflect a little. Maybe provide him with an opportunity to help rectify his massive screw up, rather than tossing him in prison.

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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2012, 08:37:39 PM »
I don't think it's meant to be punishment.  It is rehabilitation.  It's going to school to learn basic morality.
That's exactly what it was, even the family of the victim didn't want him to go to prison.
Hell, it was kids being stupid, they weren't even wearing seat belts and he wasn't even drunk according to police.

Should we throw the full weight of the courts every time something bad happens?
I certainly wouldn't want to be a kid in this day and age, considering all the stupid stuff I used to get away with.
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2012, 08:48:31 PM »
That's exactly what it was, even the family of the victim didn't want him to go to prison.
Hell, it was kids being stupid, they weren't even wearing seat belts and he wasn't even drunk according to police.

Should we throw the full weight of the courts every time something bad happens?
I certainly wouldn't want to be a kid in this day and age, considering all the stupid stuff I used to get away with.



Did you take a life with your stupidity? Cause if you didn't than youre not comparing apples to apples here.

Full weight of the law thrown at this young man? No, but much more than "you gotta go to church and finish school".
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