Quote from: Solar on November 18, 2018, 06:29:18 PM
I have no idea what "WRT environmental regulation" stands for [...]

Hello Solar...

'WRT' is a common internet abbreviation for 'With Regard To'... Sorry to confuse.

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[...] and not to disagree with anything you said because it's all true, but out here in Ca it's even worse where simply clearing brush is concerned.
If someone calls the State to complain you're clearing land, not only will you be immediately ordered to cease and desist, but you will be forced to get an environmental impact study done at your own expense, after which, you could be fined for God only knows what, but you could actually face jail time as well.
Here in Ca, a mud puddle is protected, they even changed it's designation to "Vernal Pool".
Had a farmer nearly lose his land for tilling part of a dried out "Vernal Pool". This state is so fucked up, that many are afraid to have brush removed due to so many hidden clauses protecting and kind of habitat, be it frogs or insects, the state has a law covering it.

Yes, yes... I know you have it worse... And freely admit that. But we have a similar if lesser problem. Still a problem of immense dimension. We do have it likewise. The old joke around here is that you can't piss on the ground without a fed showing up to declare it a 'protected wildlife refuge' or an 'eagle flyway'...

I don't bring it up to diminish the problems in CA, but rather to expand upon it. We can still clear brush away from houses and such, but that really doesn't do much in the big picture, as the forest right outside of the cleared area hasn't itself been cleared in decades now... And is actively prescribed against clearing by law, or is simply never let out to a timber sale...

And in the mean time, beetle-kill takes more and more of the timber, and sets the whole thing up for disaster. And that disaster surely comes. When it does, that meager private clearing is hardly any insurance... And barely justifiable.

Take away all the crazy CA regulations, and you will still be left with the federal ones. And they are still onerous. Jussayin.

Quote from: roamer_1 on November 18, 2018, 07:38:11 PM
Hello Solar...

'WRT' is a common internet abbreviation for 'With Regard To'... Sorry to confuse.

Your abbreviation 'WRT' has 28 meanings on the internet, with 'With Regard To' being one of them. 
I will add WRT in our abbreviations in the Library.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/library/attention-members/

Quote from: walkstall on November 18, 2018, 08:54:52 PM
Your abbreviation 'WRT' has 28 meanings on the internet, with 'With Regard To' being one of them. 
I will add WRT in our abbreviations in the Library.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/library/attention-members/

Hello Walkstall,
It is easy to use, but YMMV.

(Your mileage may vary) 

Quote from: roamer_1 on November 18, 2018, 09:09:49 PM
Hello Walkstall,
It is easy to use, but YMMV.

(Your mileage may vary) 

Quote from: roamer_1 on November 18, 2018, 07:38:11 PM
Hello Solar...

'WRT' is a common internet abbreviation for 'With Regard To'... Sorry to confuse.

Yes, yes... I know you have it worse... And freely admit that. But we have a similar if lesser problem. Still a problem of immense dimension. We do have it likewise. The old joke around here is that you can't piss on the ground without a fed showing up to declare it a 'protected wildlife refuge' or an 'eagle flyway'...

I don't bring it up to diminish the problems in CA, but rather to expand upon it. We can still clear brush away from houses and such, but that really doesn't do much in the big picture, as the forest right outside of the cleared area hasn't itself been cleared in decades now... And is actively prescribed against clearing by law, or is simply never let out to a timber sale...

And in the mean time, beetle-kill takes more and more of the timber, and sets the whole thing up for disaster. And that disaster surely comes. When it does, that meager private clearing is hardly any insurance... And barely justifiable.

Take away all the crazy CA regulations, and you will still be left with the federal ones. And they are still onerous. Jussayin.

Yep, Moonbeam ran with the already fucked Clinton admin regs and tripled down on stupid.
I know Trump has taken on BLM regs regarding land use, but I was hoping to hear him gut the last 30 years of nonsense, hard to believe it's been that long,, I even worked on the spotted owl survey, so as to get an insiders view of what was going on.
Turned out to be the fraud everyone knew it to be in the first place, but it fit the purpose at the time, brought logging to a stand still and cost the industry billions not to mention all the families it displaced, and that was before the crippling closures in the decade to follow.
I'd love too see Trump apologize on behalf of failed govt policies that killed an entire industry based on an emotionally charged leftist plan designed to kill an American way of life.
Sadly, I believe Ca is destined to suffer decades long, after all the USFS regs are reversed, this States electorate is too stupid to see the damage lib /prog policy has on the rest of the state, so the fires and ruined lives will continue.
The sad thing is, all of our shuttered mills will not return, nor will the State clean up the forests with Ca tax dollars, they'll let the Fed do that, so the State owned land and ridiculous policies will remain in place, but what will change, and this is part and parcel for leftists is, the govt will be doing all sorts of environmental impact studies costing billions (work project) and the end recommendation, will be that crews will be allowed on private land to clear brush and possibly dead trees.

Wait, unconstitutional, you say? This is Ca after all, where the schools teach buggering as just another lifestyle.

WRT

Who Rogered Trevor?

Moonbeam Admits Trump Was RIGHT! This is huge folks, this reverses 30 year of pure bullshit over night for us landowners in the Sierra.

California Gov. Jerry Brown appears to have quietly admitted President Donald Trump's suggestion about improving California forestry was correct and is now urging state lawmakers to loosen restrictive logging regulations put in place to appease environmentalists.

The Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that Brown is proposing one of the most significant changes to the state's logging rules in nearly half a century.

"Gov. Jerry Brown is proposing broad new changes to California's logging rules that would allow landowners to cut larger trees and build temporary roads without obtaining a permit as a way to thin more forests across the state," the paper reports.

Environmentalists in California aren't on board. They've been pushing for years to make California's logging rules more restrictive, not less, but in the wake of the deadly forest fires that ripped through the state this month, prominent lawmakers believe a change must be made before more people die from a preventable situation.

"Under Brown's proposal, private landowners would be able to cut trees up to 36 inches in diameter — up from the current 26 inches — on property 300 acres or less without getting a timber harvest permit from the state, as long as their purpose was to thin forests to reduce fire risk," the Sentinel reports. "They also would be able to build roads of up to 600 feet long without getting a permit, as long as they repaired and replanted them."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/38520/gov-jerry-brown-quietly-admits-trump-was-right-emily-zanotti

Quote from: Solar on November 19, 2018, 07:06:28 PM
Moonbeam Admits Trump Was RIGHT! This is huge folks, this reverses 30 year of pure bullshit over night for us landowners in the Sierra.

California Gov. Jerry Brown appears to have quietly admitted President Donald Trump's suggestion about improving California forestry was correct and is now urging state lawmakers to loosen restrictive logging regulations put in place to appease environmentalists.

The Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that Brown is proposing one of the most significant changes to the state's logging rules in nearly half a century.

"Gov. Jerry Brown is proposing broad new changes to California's logging rules that would allow landowners to cut larger trees and build temporary roads without obtaining a permit as a way to thin more forests across the state," the paper reports.

Environmentalists in California aren't on board. They've been pushing for years to make California's logging rules more restrictive, not less, but in the wake of the deadly forest fires that ripped through the state this month, prominent lawmakers believe a change must be made before more people die from a preventable situation.

"Under Brown's proposal, private landowners would be able to cut trees up to 36 inches in diameter — up from the current 26 inches — on property 300 acres or less without getting a timber harvest permit from the state, as long as their purpose was to thin forests to reduce fire risk," the Sentinel reports. "They also would be able to build roads of up to 600 feet long without getting a permit, as long as they repaired and replanted them."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/38520/gov-jerry-brown-quietly-admits-trump-was-right-emily-zanotti

Only 600', hell my drive way is longer then that.  It's over 600' before you even start down hill.

Quote from: Solar on November 19, 2018, 07:06:28 PM
Moonbeam Admits Trump Was RIGHT! This is huge folks, this reverses 30 year of pure bullshit over night for us landowners in the Sierra.

California Gov. Jerry Brown appears to have quietly admitted President Donald Trump's suggestion about improving California forestry was correct and is now urging state lawmakers to loosen restrictive logging regulations put in place to appease environmentalists.

The Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that Brown is proposing one of the most significant changes to the state's logging rules in nearly half a century.

"Gov. Jerry Brown is proposing broad new changes to California's logging rules that would allow landowners to cut larger trees and build temporary roads without obtaining a permit as a way to thin more forests across the state," the paper reports.

Environmentalists in California aren't on board. They've been pushing for years to make California's logging rules more restrictive, not less, but in the wake of the deadly forest fires that ripped through the state this month, prominent lawmakers believe a change must be made before more people die from a preventable situation.

"Under Brown's proposal, private landowners would be able to cut trees up to 36 inches in diameter — up from the current 26 inches — on property 300 acres or less without getting a timber harvest permit from the state, as long as their purpose was to thin forests to reduce fire risk," the Sentinel reports. "They also would be able to build roads of up to 600 feet long without getting a permit, as long as they repaired and replanted them."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/38520/gov-jerry-brown-quietly-admits-trump-was-right-emily-zanotti

That is certainly a possible development. Now, I ask a question as to whether this has snowball's chance in hell to get passed by the legislature?

Quote from: supsalemgr on November 20, 2018, 04:26:42 AM
That is certainly a possible development. Now, I ask a question as to whether this has snowball's chance in hell to get passed by the legislature?

I Assure you, by the time it reaches his desk, the only thing about it that won't change. is the name, the rest will be packed full of crazy ass stipulations and clauses.
Like, the only time you can remove a tree is between the weeks of August 1st and August 2nd after 9:00 pm, but before the sun goes down only in areas facing South with a West wind over 20 mph.
None of which is even possible, and no, it's a literal impossibility for us to get a 20 mph west wind in the sierra, being 100 miles from the ocean,, we never get that wind.
Point is, their will be so many stipulations involved, most people will never ideally fit the mold they create, and if they do, there are so many other entities in the State with their own regulations that could cause even bigger problems.
One issue in this state and wheat other states need to be aware of, is the amount of prosecutorial power each entity has, unlike the past,, where say the EPA, or transportation had to go through the court system, just like the rest of us,, they now have the power of seizure without warrant.
As unconstitutional as that sounds, they've found a way around it, eg. you are dumping a barrel of water on the ground but the label say diesel, they can enter your property and arrest you, no questions asked.

Quote from: Solar on November 20, 2018, 05:56:20 AM
I Assure you, by the time it reaches his desk, the only thing about it that won't change. is the name, the rest will be packed full of crazy ass stipulations and clauses.
Like, the only time you can remove a tree is between the weeks of August 1st and August 2nd after 9:00 pm, but before the sun goes down only in areas facing South with a West wind over 20 mph.
None of which is even possible, and no, it's a literal impossibility for us to get a 20 mph west wind in the sierra, being 100 miles from the ocean,, we never get that wind.
Point is, their will be so many stipulations involved, most people will never ideally fit the mold they create, and if they do, there are so many other entities in the State with their own regulations that could cause even bigger problems.
One issue in this state and wheat other states need to be aware of, is the amount of prosecutorial power each entity has, unlike the past,, where say the EPA, or transportation had to go through the court system, just like the rest of us,, they now have the power of seizure without warrant.
As unconstitutional as that sounds, they've found a way around it, eg. you are dumping a barrel of water on the ground but the label say diesel, they can enter your property and arrest you, no questions asked.

Exactly what I figured.

Theyu cleaned the missing number up and instead of 1000 plus, it's back down to 600.
This is really not good news, the fire is still only 70% contained, meaning for the most part, there is still a lot of land yet to be searched.
But the good news is, the fire will in essence, be out by Friday, rain starts late tonight, early tomorrow.

Even though this is my area, it's no different 40 miles North in Paradise.

Severe Weather Alerts - Georgetown, CA
Special Weather Statement
Special Weather Statement in effect until Thursday, 4:30 AM PST. Source: U.S. National Weather Service
...Major change to Winter Weather forecast for the Holiday
Weekend...

A major change in the weather pattern is coming to NorCal this
week impacting holiday travel. A series of winter like storms
will plow through NorCal bringing rain and mountain snow to the
region. The first system is set to arrive late Tuesday night
pushing through the north state Wednesday and Wednesday night.
Another system will move though late Thursday and Thursday night
with one last system pushing through on Friday.

Snowfall over the Sierra and debris flow over the recent Norcal
Fires are a major concern with these weather systems and hazard
watches have been issued for these impacts.

This change in the weather pattern will bring other impacts as
well. The accumulation of dirt and oils on the roadways will
produce very slick conditions especially early on in this wet
period Tuesday night and Wednesday. The Wednesday evening commute
and Thanksgiving travel period will likely see increased traffic
accidents due to the slick roadways and motorists should use extra
caution. As rainfall accumulates over the holiday weekend,
ponding water will be possible where storm drains have been
clogged by leaves and other debris. In addition to the rainfall,
the weather system passing through norcal late Thursday will bring
gusty south winds. The northern Sacramento valley could see wind
gusts up to 40 or 45 mph with gusts to over 60 mph over the higher
Sierra. Downed tree limbs, blowing objects, and difficult driving
will be a concern during this late Thursday through Friday time
period. Use extra care while traveling this holiday weekend as
many weather related hazards will be present that have not been a
concern for the last several months.

Conditions will begin to improve on Sunday with a return to drier
weather expected early next week.

Quote from: Solar on November 20, 2018, 08:24:20 AM
But the good news is, the fire will in essence, be out by Friday, rain starts late tonight, early tomorrow.

As do the mudslides...
Folks that don't live in the mountains just will not understand...
It is grievous and continuing, letting such a thing happen.
That land will be unstable for years.

Quote from: roamer_1 on November 20, 2018, 04:20:18 PM
As do the mudslides...
Folks that don't live in the mountains just will not understand...
It is grievous and continuing, letting such a thing happen.
That land will be unstable for years.

Yeah, they've warned people that the search will be postponed till the ground settles, and that many may never be found due to mud slides and ash pools.

Well rain finally hit, light, about a quarter inch so far,, more on its way, but heavier tomorrow, so they're in the process of sandbagging and other types of erosion control.
The work never ends, just takes on a new aspect.
You can watch live coverage here.

https://www.actionnewsnow.com/livestream/