Palin in 2016

Started by taxed, February 26, 2013, 03:22:41 PM

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Bowhntr

I would love to see her run and WIN.  However, I think we all know that she does not stand a snowballs chance.  Look at how bad the state ran media crucified her in 2008.  There was more attention given to the VP candidate from the GOP than the top of the Dem ticket.  It would be funny to watch the liberals go into convulsions but we need someone who can WIN!!!

Solar

Quote from: Bowhntr on February 28, 2013, 06:06:46 AM
I would love to see her run and WIN.  However, I think we all know that she does not stand a snowballs chance.  Look at how bad the state ran media crucified her in 2008.  There was more attention given to the VP candidate from the GOP than the top of the Dem ticket.  It would be funny to watch the liberals go into convulsions but we need someone who can WIN!!!
I believe that to be what is referred to as a "self fulfilling prophecy".
The media made such a fuss over her, that Conservatives have convinced themselves that she hasn't got a chance, I believe that to be far from true.
Just imagine if she were to stand up and dare the left to take her on, they already shot their wod, they have nothing left to throw at her.

I believe if she honestly has it left in her to take on the MSM, she would come out the winner and the media/left would look like petty fools.
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Quote from: Solar on February 28, 2013, 06:24:18 AM
I believe that to be what is referred to as a "self fulfilling prophecy".
The media made such a fuss over her, that Conservatives have convinced themselves that she hasn't got a chance, I believe that to be far from true.
Just imagine if she were to stand up and dare the left to take her on, they already shot their wod, they have nothing left to throw at her.

I believe if she honestly has it left in her to take on the MSM, she would come out the winner and the media/left would look like petty fools.

Solar is right, when Jesse Ventura ran for governor of MN, the media tried to make sure he had no chance.  I won't deny that they drove him insane once he won, but he did win.

Bowhntr

Quote from: Solar on February 28, 2013, 06:24:18 AM
I believe that to be what is referred to as a "self fulfilling prophecy".
The media made such a fuss over her, that Conservatives have convinced themselves that she hasn't got a chance, I believe that to be far from true.
Just imagine if she were to stand up and dare the left to take her on, they already shot their wod, they have nothing left to throw at her.

I believe if she honestly has it left in her to take on the MSM, she would come out the winner and the media/left would look like petty fools.

I disagree.  In this country of "low information voters" all it will take is a couple of 6 o'clock news stories and she is done.  The majority of voters in this country do not care enough to research issues and learn the truth.  So, all it would take is more of the same from the propaganda machine and she would have no chance.  All one has to do is look at the 2008 and 2012 election results to find the proof.

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Quote from: Bowhntr on February 28, 2013, 06:35:46 AM
I disagree.  In this country of "low information voters" all it will take is a couple of 6 o'clock news stories and she is done.   The majority of voters in this country do not care enough to research issues and learn the truth.  So, all it would take is more of the same from the propaganda machine and she would have no chance.  All one has to do is look at the 2008 and 2012 election results to find the proof.

I don't often find myself on a different page than Solar since I came here but this time I'm afraid that I am.  Your first sentence sums it up.  The second sentence is the icing on the cake for me as well.

The media isn't going to turn their bias around any time soon.  Besides haven't we had enough of the rethreads?  The Bush family, the Clintons and Palin.

I don't think she could generate enough enthusiam  to overcome the odds.    She'll fire up her base but that won't "translate" nationwide.

Solar

Quote from: Bowhntr on February 28, 2013, 06:35:46 AM
I disagree.  In this country of "low information voters" all it will take is a couple of 6 o'clock news stories and she is done.  The majority of voters in this country do not care enough to research issues and learn the truth.  So, all it would take is more of the same from the propaganda machine and she would have no chance.  All one has to do is look at the 2008 and 2012 election results to find the proof.
Low information voters have never been on the right side of the isle, those that vote for Pubs generally are voting for two reasons, they either actually support the candidate, or they genuinely hate the left, but to say our side is full of low information voters is simply ludicrous.
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Quote from: Solar on February 28, 2013, 07:11:58 AM
Low information voters have never been on the right side of the isle, those that vote for Pubs generally are voting for two reasons, they either actually support the candidate, or they genuinely hate the left, but to say our side is full of low information voters is simply ludicrous.

I'm saying the exact opposite....the other side is FULL of low information/single issue voters and no matter how much the GOP rallies our faithful and swing votes we can not defeat their majority.  Anyone that may have been swung by truth is so disengaged that all it would take is a couple of 6:00 stories and they will vote dem. It is a sad but true reality that the dems have created a voting majority that are on the government dole and they are not going to vote to give themselves a pay cut!

AndyJackson

I'd rather lose with Palin than some milktoast schmuck like Dole, McCain, Romney.

Get our money's worth at least.  She would at least tear the biased MSM and fixed debates, a new asshole each.

Palin and Paul would be cool.  Or Palin and a sterling conservative minority.

Turks

A Palin nomination would only serve to revive Tina Fey's somewhat fading star.    :wink:

Crock Hunter

Quote from: Solar on February 27, 2013, 07:37:38 PM
This forum is far Right as you put it, we also believe the Founders had it completely right.
Are you saying the Founders were "a mash-up of disorganized Libertarian notions magnified through a distorted Conservative lens.. .."

No, the Founders were neither Conservative nor Liberal.. They were Radicals...   But the question put to me was "what makes someone far-right" ..  (actually the individual was asking me for my definition of "far-right") .. .

As I said.. The Founders were Radicals but their ideas were without a doubt liberal..  The Founders with their support of Free Speech, a Free Press ..  of individual rights and liberties flew in the face of contemporary thinking.. The Founders were in no way attempting to "Conserve" the existing form of governance.. 

Turks

Perhaps the Founders were more "innovative" than liberal in their thinking.  The founders had a Judeo-Christian influence on their philosophies.  Hardly what today's liberal is influenced by.

Crock Hunter

Quote from: Turks on February 28, 2013, 08:09:29 AM
Perhaps the Founders were more "innovative" than liberal in their thinking.  The founders had a Judeo-Christian influence on their philosophies.  Hardly what today's liberal is influenced by.

"innovative"..  progressive...liberal... All just semantics..  What they were NOT is Conservative.

And though influenced by Judeo-Christian values ... in regards to governing they were much more influenced by the Enlightenment movement coming out of Europe.. from philosophers such as John Locke, Thomas Hobbes and Jean-Jacques Rousseau. 

Briefly.. Hobbes held that government is necessary... from Rousseau and John Locke came the concept of a government of, for and by the people.

And the addition of a SCOTUS as a governmental branch insured that the Constitution would remain a living document in that the court would interpret based on a changing world and our obligations to the past.


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Quote from: Bowhntr on February 28, 2013, 07:36:51 AM
I'm saying the exact opposite....the other side is FULL of low information/single issue voters and no matter how much the GOP rallies our faithful and swing votes we can not defeat their majority.  Anyone that may have been swung by truth is so disengaged that all it would take is a couple of 6:00 stories and they will vote dem. It is a sad but true reality that the dems have created a voting majority that are on the government dole and they are not going to vote to give themselves a pay cut!
Absolutely disagree, look how much of the base sat home because the RINO pushed another RINO down our throats.
First Johnny now Romney, and you think Palin would somehow be a death sentence?
You give the media to much credit...

Yeah, I guess we just need to keep repeating the the same process over and over again. Can you say Insanity?

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Quote from: Crock Hunter on February 28, 2013, 08:34:54 AM
"innovative"..  progressive...liberal... All just semantics..  What they were NOT is Conservative.

And though influenced by Judeo-Christian values ... in regards to governing they were much more influenced by the Enlightenment movement coming out of Europe.. from philosophers such as John Locke, Thomas Hobbes and Jean-Jacques Rousseau. 

Briefly.. Hobbes held that government is necessary... from Rousseau and John Locke came the concept of a government of, for and by the people.

And the addition of a SCOTUS as a governmental branch insured that the Constitution would remain a living document in that the court would interpret based on a changing world and our obligations to the past.

So what is your position on Obama's war on guns?
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Solar

Quote from: Crock Hunter on February 28, 2013, 07:59:58 AM
No, the Founders were neither Conservative nor Liberal.. They were Radicals...   But the question put to me was "what makes someone far-right" ..  (actually the individual was asking me for my definition of "far-right") .. .

As I said.. The Founders were Radicals but their ideas were without a doubt liberal..  The Founders with their support of Free Speech, a Free Press ..  of individual rights and liberties flew in the face of contemporary thinking.. The Founders were in no way attempting to "Conserve" the existing form of governance..
Absolutely Wrong! The Founders were Classic Liberals, the opposite of today's liberals, which makes them aligned with the Far Right as in Tea party Conservative.
The Tea party movement aligns itself with the Founders, leaning Libertarian, like the Founders, the Tea movement believes in a small, less intrusive Govt, quite the antonym of the progressives of today, where they want to grow Govt into every aspect of our lives, the exact opposite of the Govt structure the Founders created.
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