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ROFL! What you just said sounds like Rachael Maddow!
Socials Issues didn't loose the election for Romney, it was Santa Clause! As long as the Democrat Party can offer at least half the country money from the other half of the country's pocketbook, the Democrats will win.
I have gay family members as well, and have been around gays for my adult life. They have been employees, friends, and business associates.This is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. It's true on a small scale, but not the gay culture over-all.
My uncle was a gay soldier. Still, gays shouldn't be in the military. You are clueless.
Sorry, guys can't concentrate when there is a nice piece of ass in front of us. It's called "nature".
No...I understand it far better than you.
By extension of your argument, you do.Read carefully and try and absorb what I say.
Stepping aside, or dictating?There is a huge difference here. I have no issue if the Pubs step aside on the issue, I just don't see the need to support an action to benefit less than 1% of the Nation.
Really? Show me, because no one on this forum ever said such a thing.I find that very hard to believe, because I support civil unions, just don't define it as marriage.
But it does affect you, it requires an amendment to the Constitution.
In truth, God has nothing to do with civil unions, but on the other hand, it has everything to do with marriage from a Religious point.Does the Fed have the right to interfere with the dictates of the First Amendment?Using your argument, you are advocating for a Constitutional Amendment to the First.Now do you get it?
Why is it that when Republicans lose election all at once the chorus goes out that we have to "change". We have to get rid of those stinking "social issues"? Yeah! That's the ticket! Fiscal Conservative and Social Liberal!Is that what the Democrats do? When they lose elections, do they gnash their teeth and wring their hands and say, "You know what? We just have to give up on this social issues! Stop pushing abortion, and gun control! That whole gay marriage thing is a mill-stone around our necks - we've got to get rid of that! Yessir! That's the ticket!" Socials Issues didn't lose the election for Romney - it was Santa Clause! As long as the Democrat Party can offer at least half the country money from the other half of the country's pocketbooks, the Democrats will win. It is as simple as that!
No you don't, and here is why you don't.You say I do, and yet you cannot explain how I do- how funny. Well here's the real deal. If I were in favor of changing the constitution, I'd have no problem stating so (and online of all places.. C'mon lol). However, as I stated quite a few times already.. I don't believe the definition of marriage should be changed. There are quite a few gays out there who also don't want anything changed, some have religious reasons for this, constitutional reasons, and then some truly hate how many gays try to emulate heterosexual relationships- as in a man behaving like a female by emulating a wife- a female... I gotta say I agree with all of these positions- and therefore do not agree with changing anything.I'm not telling you to support anything, hell I don't even support gay marriage for the same reasons why all the gay people I know, or learned of- do not. I also don't agree with changing the definition of marriage.. But If I were a candidate on that state with Santorum, I would have called him out on his ridiculousness- for also being against civil unions. The issue has been labeled a civil rights issue- and I feel two consenting adults in love, should not be denied the happiness, leave them alone-and I'm not going to spout my religious convictions in their face (I hate people who do that- they remind me of the pharisees Jesus scolded, for turning their noses up at those they deemed "not pure enough").. Modern conservatives mirror this behavior.One of the things I mentioned, is that politicians like Santorum, and all other half-wits like him, or who support him. Wouldn't even acknowledge the union of a gay couple, who either had a wedding in a gay accepting church, a non denominational setting/figure, and or just signed some papers having a legal binding (civil union). I shook my head when I heard him say this in response to civil unions during the primaries. So basically two consenting adults in love, who may have gotten married at a gay accepting church, or non church- would not be entitled to the same freedoms (benefits) of their partner, because under people like Santorum, their union is illegitimate... This is what I am talking about, not the constitution. This mentality of the Republican party needs to vanish. It was never apart of the ideology of the party, its ugly, and backwards, and its killing the party... Among other things.I'd like to see the Republican party be the fighters to protect houses of worship from being forced into having to do things they do not agree with due to faith. Many priest are wimps afraid of backlash from the gov, for saying what is in their faith. If the Republican party did what it was designed to do- they'd get these men the courage to stand and fight for their faith. I'd like to see them be the classic liberal, constitutional minded party it used to be... But you know I'm not holding my breath lol.http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Sarah_Palin_Civil_Rights.htm There you go, (gotta scroll down a bit). I also agree with her words here too. She doesn't support changing the definition of marriage, naturally doesn't believe in it due to her faith- but would not interfere with the personal freedom of two consenting adults in a union. That right there is true Conservatism, classic Liberalism- which (before progressives tainted that word), was not only the idea of the experiment known as America- but also the philosophy of the Republican party... This also isn't news by the way, first time I heard of this was back in 08, and crushed someone in a debate who said she hates gays... That's why I love this chick, even though her voice gets annoying at times... Dont'cha know lol (I had to). Santorum aka Morel Orel (google it lol), would have denied them that, because he would have governed with his faith, instead of thinking of the founding fathers... Making him not too far from what the founding fathers ran away from. Again this is why modern conservatism, and the Republican party are losing. Too many of these bible thumping twits sadly, Mitt Romney got pulled into it too- having to try to "out right-wing" his opponents to appease the religious right.. Again, I'm not talking about the constitution, get that out your head. I'm talking about idiots within the Republican party, and modern conservatives, who'd even block civil unions- all due to their religious views on the issue of gays doing anything that emulates marriage to them. Gays can be just fine and free without the definition being changed.Yes it would require an amendment to the constitution- one I would not agree with, and I'd blame Republicans, and modern conservatives for allowing it to happen- since again they suck at presenting their argument well... Yes it would affect my life... If the government told me I had to marry a man, instead of a woman; as government is not supposed to be compelling me to do anything of that sort (or other things). Just as it is not the government's right to be telling me how I should and should not live my life, due to any religious views that "leader" may have. That's government getting its hands in religion like the Catholic church did in Europe, and it seems the "Christian" right- would very well be ok with that sort of set up.I agree 100%, god has nothing to do with civil unions- never implied it did... Now lets get politicians and other bible thumping twits who are killing the Republican party, to see that- because they don't agree- and anyone ok with civil unions are called "rinos", or "lefties". And of course not voted for. On the religious point, I agree one man one woman.. But the job of a politician is not to govern with faith, faith in mind asking god for wisdom, and courage yes.. But not faith in mind that he will put in place policies that infringe or restrict the citizens who may not believe as him. He is not god, he is not Jesus, he is not a priest, therefore I don't wish to hear nothing coming from his mouth, telling me how I am to live my life, when he may not be living such a pure life himself.Again I say you misunderstand, because I'm not talking about doing anything with the constitution, leave it alone. I'm talking about the party moving away from morons within the party- who wish to govern with faith in mind, and gets involved in people's personal lives.Do you get it now?
I have gay family members as well, and have been around gays for my adult life. They have been employees, friends, and business associates.
This is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. It's true on a small scale, but not the gay culture over-all.
Conservatives just don't care about gay people, until they start trying to push legislation and being gay in public.
Sorry, guys can't concentrate when there is a nice piece of ass in front of us. It's called "nature"
Are you moving goalposts now?
Wrong. It has to do with low information voters -- not a stance of the Republican party. I don't support gay marriage, and it is a state issue. Tell me, how am I at odds with the gay community?
I live in the Los Angeles area which has a huge diversity in the population, plus things tend to get discussed here probably more than in other parts of the country. My experience is similar to Paladin's and not the same as yours. Can't we all accept the fact that we have different experiences and realize the limitations when we try to extrapolate and make sweeping generalizations?
From what Paladin wrote above, he is a recent combat veteran and I think it is offensive to call him clueless on this topic.
That said, people will have different opinions. In the absence of hard data or examples indicating specific issues, it's all a matter of opinion. Considering surveys from active military saying they have no problem serving with gays, that should have some weight.http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/10/dont_ask_survey_shows_majority.htmlHow would this be any different from heterosexual guys being around women in a professional environment. Are we always thinking about the piece of ass to the point of being distracted from our jobs? Understand the military is different with the communal living arrangement, but given surveys like the one linked above, until there are issues reported, your supposition is not well founded in facts.
You can give me all the surveys you want. Straight males, overall, prefer not to be in tight quarters with gays.
Ok lets pick your rubbish apart,
by the way you sound no different from the ignorant hateful leftist...Just letting you know, and because your argument is based on irrational, and ignorant emotions, this will be too easy for me... Let's begin.
And yet you display your ignorance, and play right into the hands of the left.. What a loser.
Wow somebody didn't do too well with reading comprehension I see.
Read it more carefully, and think before you respond. Ready? I never said anything about anyone within the gay culture- finding gay culture vile. I said people like my friend, my brother- and the many gay men he's interviewed in his 12 and a half year long research. These men who while not ashamed of themselves, as they carry themselves in a respectable way as well... Don't even like the word "gay", because of what mainstream gay culture has done to it... Pretty interesting that this group is growing.
That's just what I've seen looking at my friend's notes, and watching him conduct his interviews, fascinating stuff- which also had to be true, since it pissed off gay leftist twits, as well as twits on the religious right...Don't expect you to get all that though, you're stuck in your pathetic little ignorant views... Not trying to change your mind- don't care to. Just letting you know how ridiculous you sound, and that you're part of the reason why conservatism, and even Christianity, is easily attacked.. Moving on.
Again, that is something gay left-wing activist do; which everyone in here including myself, do not agree with, nor do the gay men I mentioned earlier- who also get trashed by those gays... However religious right-wing twits also support politicians, who'd push policies, that reflect more their morals, and beliefs. If we woke up tomorrow living in a truly massive socialist country, the left would rejoice. If we woke up and became a theocratic government (Christian), the religious right would rejoice. Both are pathetic fools, who understand nothing of the constitution or the founding fathers- though pay it a lot of lip service, and behave as sunshine patriots... I'm thinking you belong in that category.
I just want to let you know, I laughed at this for about 20 minutes; as did my buddy, and my bro... Ok lets get into this ridiculous statement of yours lol.First of all, and this is why I say the left and the right- are two sides of the same pathetic coin. You just did exactly what they do. You talk about your "uncle" who was "gay", and was a "soldier", who said "gays shouldn't be in the military"- hoping it would shut me up. Yet you fail to realize the stupidity of your own lie (yes I think you're lying). That would be like me saying "white men shouldn't be history teachers" (I'm a teacher).
I'll pretend you're telling the truth, and ask... Was you're uncle one of those feminine whiny gays, who complained about manual labor, and squealed like a little girl at the scary boom boom noises?
LOL The men I know who are gay and served, and just gay men like them in general- don't like girlish behavior, and cowardice in men. They served just fine, professionally, and honorably- and as I mentioned before- I wasn't even thinking about my friend's sexuality, when he was pulling me to safety..
Jesus people like you are the pure definition of stupidity lol; and this is part why conservatism, the Republican party, and even Christianity are so easily mocked... Too many muppets like you claiming it... My brother, his partner, and my friend- are true patriots, and way more man than you and your "uncle" combined, both of you are scum.. Ok next...
Ok, its clear you're being dumb; and even recalling some military sex fantasies- I don't know ROFL... I will say though, there's a large number of gay men, who don't find anything sexually appealing about messing around in a guy's ass. You can even do some research on it, but I'm sure its just easier for you to be ignorant and foolish lol- play on.
Is your brain functioning yet?Apparently not.And your last statement, now makes fact- that the left and the right; are both warped lol.I never said you were at odds with the gay community... I also recall stating that I don't even agree with gay marriage, or changing the constitution about to support it. There are gays who don't believe in gay marriage, or changing the constitution, and don't like the gay community. So your words show you're not getting it.The problem is, we have members of the Republican party (and idiots who support them)- who not only don't support, nor would acknowledge civil unions.. But don't even support the states handling it. Rick Santorum was spouting this rubbish during the primaries. They are dead wrong to push any kind of policy which would block even the civil unions, or not acknowledge them- or would prevent states from handling the issue- due to their religious views.
Again this is a step into the direction of government ruling people through religion. These members of the Republican party- who seek to be leaders for the religious right-- instead of the American people- are a large part as to why the Republican party and conservatism is dying.
People fail in this debate, because nobody is talking about civil unions, making sure they'd protect churches who don't want to be forced into marrying a gay couple, or letting the states deal with the issue. The only thing I see people doing is accusing people of being rinos, or liberals, and talking about how they don't believe in gay marriage. The current form of the Republican party, and Conservatism- are not its original- and so its now falling apart. Its quite telling, when you have a lot of people generally agree with the basic ideas of the party, and even conservatism (classic). Bute don't want to be associated with the Republican party. As they feel its become too much a political church, and too judgmental - they're right.Nite nite, I'll check in after work tomorrow ^_^
You started off good, but then the rest of your statements took a giant nosedive, due to ignorance.I've lived around gay people myself, (especially when I lived in Europe), three of my best friends are gay, that would be my older brother, a man I served with in the military, and my brother's partner, who ran a 12 and a half year study on the entire issue, to which I learned some very interesting stuff.gay men like the people I mentioned (and learned there are quite a lot of em), while they have no shame acknowledging that they are gay, meaning they do not hate themselves. They strongly detest gay culture. They find it disgusting, depressing, destructive, disrespectful, and degrading. The gays who are conservative, and do believe in god, and do hold on to noble values- get trashed all the time by the larger majority who are quite leftist. So they do not associate with them, you won't find them in gay clubs, bars, or gay pride... Unfortunately they also get a lot of crap from ignorant wankers on the right as well. While disappointing to them (and to me), they are strong- and don't go flailing about like a crybaby leftist. They keep quiet and keep to themselves.As far as gays in the military goes... The man I served with, was a damn good soldier- and had everyone's respect. His sexuality was non existent on our minds, especially when I almost got killed, and he was one of the people pulling me to safety. Its mostly the higher ups who get their panties in the knot about gays in the military, but while I do respect their position, they don't mean much to me, because they don't go through the same things guys out in the field do, and I certainly don't care for the opinion of someone who hasn't served and flaps off at the mouth about gays in the military, or disrespects a soldier because he is gay- yet thinks of himself as a patriot- to me, they are garbage. The man I served with, also viewed us as his brothers, so the thought of any kind of sexual activity or thought, would have simply grossed him out, aside from that- anyone would have thought we were all gay, with the horseplay and jokes we'd all do lol.... He also had no problem doing his job, or any problem with his sexuality save for the fact he had to be careful to not let other morons who'd probably want to get him kicked out, learn he was gay- by either getting a letter, phone call, or email from his partner (this was before DADT was repealed).There are gays in the military in Europe, and gays in the Israeli military as well- and no problems. And you're not supposed to be having sex in the military or look at porn regardless of your sexuality- bigger issue with male/female, due to the possibility of pregnancy. Its highly unprofessional to be getting into that. I missed my girl a lot, as did other guys. I didn't sneak to go find a female to mess about with, nor did he seek to mess about with anyone.The last bit about the whole daughter thing, was really sad. Child molestation has nothing to do with someone's sexuality. Its about someone who has no kind of control over their life,(regardless of sexuality)- and feels that control and power- when they are in control of a child. Some have a perverted fascination with the innocence of children- boy, girl, or both. Then some are re-enacting abuse that was put upon them at some point in their life. I wouldn't leave my child with anyone who I didn't know and trust.Your statements is exactly what makes conservatism, and the Republican party look bad- too judgmental, ignorant, hateful even. And then conservatives are shocked and surprised elections get lost. If this attitude and mentality remains popular within the party, just get used to the reality that George Bush Jr, was the last president of the Republican party.
Gay people are all about the penis. Their world revolves around it. That is reality.
I was okay with don't ask, don't tell.
Found my new signature. Keep it up taxed, you're sure entertaining. Why should people be forced to hide a part of their life just because some childish moron doesn't like gays ? Imagine if don't ask, don't tell was around for religion. You couldn't display your religion or even mention it and I couldn't ask you about it either. All because I didn't like Christianity.
I was okay with don't ask, don't tell.Why should people be forced to hide a part of their life just because some childish moron doesn't like gays ? Imagine if don't ask, don't tell was around for religion. You couldn't display your religion or even mention it and I couldn't ask you about it either. All because I didn't like Christianity.
Did you notice that when I mentioned men getting into the child care business, (despite the fact that I said that they had clean records and had never done anything wrong), Paladin jumped to the conclusion that they were child molesters? Interesting, huh?Our military is comprised primarily of kids in their late teens and early twenties.I think I can safely say that people that age think about sex a lot. Particularly when around others that are the object of their sexual attraction.If I had been placed in a company of women during my military days, 24/7, and often on long deployments, I can assure you, that being around women all the time would have had me thinking about sex constantly.Are you telling me that homosexuals have no sexual urges toward others of the same sex? If so, please link the evidence. My point has nothing to do with a bias against homosexuals. How do you suppose it would work out if heterosexual men and women shared sleeping and showering facilities, particularly on long, lonely deployments? I don't think you can honestly tell me that a bunch of 20 somethings wouldn't have problems.