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Re: On the gay issue which divides our party
« Reply #90 on: December 13, 2012, 05:00:41 PM »
Why is it that when Republicans lose election all at once the chorus goes out that we have to "change". We have to get rid of those stinking "social issues"? Yeah! That's the ticket! Fiscal Conservative and Social Liberal!

Is that what the Democrats do? When they lose elections, do they gnash their teeth and wring their hands and say, "You know what? We just have to give up on this social issues! Stop pushing abortion, and gun control! That whole gay marriage thing is a mill-stone around our necks - we've got to get rid of that! Yessir! That's the ticket!"

Socials Issues didn't lose the election for Romney - it was Santa Clause! As long as the Democrat Party can offer at least half the country money from the other half of the country's pocketbooks, the Democrats will win.

It is as simple as that!



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Re: On the gay issue which divides our party
« Reply #91 on: December 13, 2012, 05:04:04 PM »
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ROFL! What you just said sounds like Rachael Maddow!

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Socials Issues didn't loose the election for Romney, it was Santa Clause! As long as the Democrat Party can offer at least half the country money from the other half of the country's pocketbook, the Democrats will win.

The Santa Clause thing is just an easy explanation so Republicans can feel better about losing.
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Re: On the gay issue which divides our party
« Reply #92 on: December 13, 2012, 05:22:44 PM »
I have gay family members as well, and have been around gays for my adult life.  They have been employees, friends, and business associates.
This is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.  It's true on a small scale, but not the gay culture over-all.

I live in the Los Angeles area which has a huge diversity in the population, plus things tend to get discussed here probably more than in other parts of the country.  My experience is similar to Paladin's and not the same as yours.  Can't we all accept the fact that we have different experiences and realize the limitations when we try to extrapolate and make sweeping generalizations?

My uncle was a gay soldier.  Still, gays shouldn't be in the military.  You are clueless.

From what Paladin wrote above, he is a recent combat veteran and I think it is offensive to call him clueless on this topic.  That said, people will have different opinions.  In the absence of hard data or examples indicating specific issues, it's all a matter of opinion.  Considering surveys from active military saying they have no problem serving with gays, that should have some weight.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/10/dont_ask_survey_shows_majority.html

Sorry, guys can't concentrate when there is a nice piece of ass in front of us.  It's called "nature".

How would this be any different from heterosexual guys being around women in a professional environment.  Are we always thinking about the piece of ass to the point of being distracted from our jobs?  Understand the military is different with the communal living arrangement, but given surveys like the one linked above, until there are issues reported, your supposition is not well founded in facts.

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Re: On the gay issue which divides our party
« Reply #93 on: December 13, 2012, 06:07:41 PM »

No...I understand it far better than you.



No you don't, and here is why you don't.


By extension of your argument, you do.
Read carefully and try and absorb what I say.


You say I do, and yet you cannot explain how I do- how funny. Well here's the real deal. If I were in favor of changing the constitution, I'd have no problem stating so (and online of all places.. C'mon lol). However, as I stated quite a few times already.. I don't believe the definition of marriage should be changed. There are quite a few gays out there who also don't want anything changed, some have religious reasons for this, constitutional  reasons, and then some truly hate how many gays try to emulate heterosexual relationships- as in a man behaving like a female by emulating a wife- a female... I gotta say I agree with all of these positions- and therefore do not agree with changing anything.

Stepping aside, or dictating?
There is a huge difference here. I have no issue if the Pubs step aside on the issue, I just don't see the need to support an action to benefit less than 1% of the Nation.


I'm not telling you to support anything, hell I don't even support gay marriage for the same reasons why all the gay people I know, or learned of- do not. I also don't agree with changing the definition of marriage.. But If I were a candidate on that state with Santorum, I would have called him out on his ridiculousness- for also being against civil unions. The issue has been labeled a civil rights issue- and I feel two consenting adults in love, should not be denied the happiness, leave them alone-and I'm not going to spout my religious convictions in their face (I hate people who do that- they remind me of the pharisees Jesus scolded, for turning their noses up at those they deemed "not pure enough").. Modern conservatives mirror this behavior.

One of the things I mentioned, is that politicians like Santorum, and all other half-wits like him, or who support him. Wouldn't even acknowledge the union of a gay couple, who either had a wedding in a gay accepting church, a non denominational setting/figure, and or just signed some papers having a legal binding (civil union). I shook my head when I heard him say this in response to civil unions during the primaries. So basically two consenting adults in love, who may have gotten married at a gay accepting church, or non church- would not be entitled to the same freedoms (benefits) of their partner, because under people like Santorum, their union is illegitimate... This is what I am talking about, not the constitution. This mentality of the Republican party needs to vanish. It was never apart of the ideology of the party, its ugly, and backwards, and its killing the party... Among other things.

I'd like to see the Republican party be the fighters to protect houses of worship from being forced into having to do things they do not agree with due to faith. Many priest are wimps afraid of backlash from the gov, for saying what is in their faith. If the Republican party did what it was designed to do- they'd get these men the courage to stand and fight for their faith.  I'd like to see them be the classic liberal, constitutional minded party it used to be... But you know I'm not holding my breath lol.
Really? Show me, because no one on this forum ever said such a thing.
I find that very hard to believe, because I support civil unions, just don't define it as marriage.


http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Sarah_Palin_Civil_Rights.htm  There you go, (gotta scroll down a bit). I also agree with her words here too. She doesn't support changing the definition of marriage, naturally doesn't believe in it due to her faith- but would not interfere with the personal freedom of two consenting adults in a union. That right there is true Conservatism, classic Liberalism- which (before progressives tainted that word), was not only the idea of the experiment known as America- but also the philosophy of the Republican party... This also isn't news by the way, first time I heard of this was back in 08, and crushed someone in a debate who said she hates gays... That's why I love this chick, even though her voice gets annoying at times... Dont'cha know lol (I had to).

Santorum aka Morel Orel (google it lol), would have denied them that, because he would have governed with his faith, instead of thinking of the founding fathers... Making him not too far from what the founding fathers ran away from. Again this is why modern conservatism, and the Republican party are losing. Too many of these bible thumping twits sadly, Mitt Romney got pulled into it too- having to try to "out right-wing" his opponents to appease the religious right.. Again, I'm not talking about the constitution, get that out your head. I'm talking about idiots within the Republican party, and modern conservatives, who'd even block civil unions- all due to their religious views on the issue of gays doing anything that emulates marriage to them. Gays can be just fine and free without the definition being changed.

But it does affect you, it requires an amendment to the Constitution.


Yes it would require an amendment to the constitution- one I would not agree with, and I'd blame Republicans, and modern conservatives for allowing it to happen- since again they suck at presenting their argument well... Yes it would affect my life... If the government told me I had to marry a man, instead of a woman; as government is not supposed to be compelling me to do anything of that sort (or other things). Just as it is not the government's right to be telling me how I should and should not live my life, due to any religious views that "leader" may have. That's government getting its hands in religion like the Catholic church did in Europe, and it seems the "Christian" right- would very well be ok with that sort of set up.

In truth, God has nothing to do with civil unions, but on the other hand, it has everything to do with marriage from a Religious point.

Does the Fed have the right to interfere with the dictates of the First Amendment?
Using your argument, you are advocating for a Constitutional Amendment to the First.

Now do you get it?


I agree 100%, god has nothing to do with civil unions- never implied it did... Now lets get politicians and other bible thumping twits who are killing the Republican party, to see that- because they don't agree- and anyone ok with civil unions are called "rinos", or "lefties". And of course not voted for.

On the religious point, I agree one man one woman.. But the job of a politician is not to govern with faith, faith in mind asking god for wisdom, and courage yes.. But not faith in mind that he will put in place policies that infringe or restrict the citizens who may not believe as him. He is not god, he is not Jesus, he is not a priest, therefore I don't wish to hear nothing coming from his mouth, telling me how I am to live my life, when he may not be living such a pure life himself.

Again I say you misunderstand, because I'm not talking about doing anything with the constitution, leave it alone. I'm talking about the party moving away from morons within the party- who wish to govern with faith in mind, and gets involved in people's personal lives.

Do you get it now?

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Re: On the gay issue which divides our party
« Reply #94 on: December 13, 2012, 06:55:49 PM »
Why is it that when Republicans lose election all at once the chorus goes out that we have to "change". We have to get rid of those stinking "social issues"? Yeah! That's the ticket! Fiscal Conservative and Social Liberal!

Is that what the Democrats do? When they lose elections, do they gnash their teeth and wring their hands and say, "You know what? We just have to give up on this social issues! Stop pushing abortion, and gun control! That whole gay marriage thing is a mill-stone around our necks - we've got to get rid of that! Yessir! That's the ticket!"

Socials Issues didn't lose the election for Romney - it was Santa Clause! As long as the Democrat Party can offer at least half the country money from the other half of the country's pocketbooks, the Democrats will win.

It is as simple as that!

Half right here. Yes Obama was Santa, and the American people largely are stupid children. However Romney also lost because a load of modern conservatives did not support him, because he's a Mormon. Romney had about 300k less (possibly larger with some of the numbers I've seen) Republicans than McCain did, and it didn't surprise me. That's the stupidity of the religious right. And yeah I agree Romney made some mistakes too, especially allowing Obama to define him, and not really saying anything, but he was the best candidate out of the bunch, the others... No.

The primaries also went on too long, which also hindered Romney, and as usual Republicans always give the left ammo. During the whole war on women rubbish. I was praying that someone in the Republican party would have the brains to talk about what Muslim women have to go through, not just in the Middle East, but even here in America; and we have this silly twit prancing about talking about how the government should pay for her birth control. That would have shut that crap down, because it would have made her look like a spoiled irrelevant twit... But then we get not only get Todd Akin's magical words of "legitimate rape" which has to be the dumbest statement of the decade... But also the Republican party making the platform of the convention.. Abortion, no exception; easy ammo for the left.

Romney was also damaged with statements on immigration, and even social issues- when trying to out right-wing his opponents, and overall Republicans today just suck at messaging, big time- and still haven't grasped using technology like the other side does. The Republicans will lose in 2016 as well, if they don't get it together, and then you'll start seeing Republican governors, senators, mayors, and congressmen losing.

I thought it was shameful, that Republicans/conservatives didn't jump on people who were slandering Romney's foreign policy adviser due to the fact that he is gay. Very intelligent and informative guy, but the left played the double standard game as usual. Republicans didn't turn the left's own game on them, which would have outed them as being the real haters... Unfortunately there were also religious right-wing twits who also trashed him, with still silence from the Republican party, and the guy left not wanting to be further distraction. I don't blame a lot of people who don't want to be associated with the party.

Mia Love's wikipedia page gets a load of racist, and misogynistic rubbish plastered all over- it. Not much of a peep at all, from anyone. Republican party, and the religious right- just suck. I wouldn't be surprised if a third party emerged, because the Republican party is on life support right now, and Democrats are going to be damaged when we have our Greece moment.

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Re: On the gay issue which divides our party
« Reply #95 on: December 13, 2012, 07:01:00 PM »
No you don't, and here is why you don't.

You say I do, and yet you cannot explain how I do- how funny. Well here's the real deal. If I were in favor of changing the constitution, I'd have no problem stating so (and online of all places.. C'mon lol). However, as I stated quite a few times already.. I don't believe the definition of marriage should be changed. There are quite a few gays out there who also don't want anything changed, some have religious reasons for this, constitutional  reasons, and then some truly hate how many gays try to emulate heterosexual relationships- as in a man behaving like a female by emulating a wife- a female... I gotta say I agree with all of these positions- and therefore do not agree with changing anything.

I'm not telling you to support anything, hell I don't even support gay marriage for the same reasons why all the gay people I know, or learned of- do not. I also don't agree with changing the definition of marriage.. But If I were a candidate on that state with Santorum, I would have called him out on his ridiculousness- for also being against civil unions. The issue has been labeled a civil rights issue- and I feel two consenting adults in love, should not be denied the happiness, leave them alone-and I'm not going to spout my religious convictions in their face (I hate people who do that- they remind me of the pharisees Jesus scolded, for turning their noses up at those they deemed "not pure enough").. Modern conservatives mirror this behavior.

One of the things I mentioned, is that politicians like Santorum, and all other half-wits like him, or who support him. Wouldn't even acknowledge the union of a gay couple, who either had a wedding in a gay accepting church, a non denominational setting/figure, and or just signed some papers having a legal binding (civil union). I shook my head when I heard him say this in response to civil unions during the primaries. So basically two consenting adults in love, who may have gotten married at a gay accepting church, or non church- would not be entitled to the same freedoms (benefits) of their partner, because under people like Santorum, their union is illegitimate... This is what I am talking about, not the constitution. This mentality of the Republican party needs to vanish. It was never apart of the ideology of the party, its ugly, and backwards, and its killing the party... Among other things.

I'd like to see the Republican party be the fighters to protect houses of worship from being forced into having to do things they do not agree with due to faith. Many priest are wimps afraid of backlash from the gov, for saying what is in their faith. If the Republican party did what it was designed to do- they'd get these men the courage to stand and fight for their faith.  I'd like to see them be the classic liberal, constitutional minded party it used to be... But you know I'm not holding my breath lol.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Sarah_Palin_Civil_Rights.htm  There you go, (gotta scroll down a bit). I also agree with her words here too. She doesn't support changing the definition of marriage, naturally doesn't believe in it due to her faith- but would not interfere with the personal freedom of two consenting adults in a union. That right there is true Conservatism, classic Liberalism- which (before progressives tainted that word), was not only the idea of the experiment known as America- but also the philosophy of the Republican party... This also isn't news by the way, first time I heard of this was back in 08, and crushed someone in a debate who said she hates gays... That's why I love this chick, even though her voice gets annoying at times... Dont'cha know lol (I had to).

Santorum aka Morel Orel (google it lol), would have denied them that, because he would have governed with his faith, instead of thinking of the founding fathers... Making him not too far from what the founding fathers ran away from. Again this is why modern conservatism, and the Republican party are losing. Too many of these bible thumping twits sadly, Mitt Romney got pulled into it too- having to try to "out right-wing" his opponents to appease the religious right.. Again, I'm not talking about the constitution, get that out your head. I'm talking about idiots within the Republican party, and modern conservatives, who'd even block civil unions- all due to their religious views on the issue of gays doing anything that emulates marriage to them. Gays can be just fine and free without the definition being changed.

Yes it would require an amendment to the constitution- one I would not agree with, and I'd blame Republicans, and modern conservatives for allowing it to happen- since again they suck at presenting their argument well... Yes it would affect my life... If the government told me I had to marry a man, instead of a woman; as government is not supposed to be compelling me to do anything of that sort (or other things). Just as it is not the government's right to be telling me how I should and should not live my life, due to any religious views that "leader" may have. That's government getting its hands in religion like the Catholic church did in Europe, and it seems the "Christian" right- would very well be ok with that sort of set up.

I agree 100%, god has nothing to do with civil unions- never implied it did... Now lets get politicians and other bible thumping twits who are killing the Republican party, to see that- because they don't agree- and anyone ok with civil unions are called "rinos", or "lefties". And of course not voted for.

On the religious point, I agree one man one woman.. But the job of a politician is not to govern with faith, faith in mind asking god for wisdom, and courage yes.. But not faith in mind that he will put in place policies that infringe or restrict the citizens who may not believe as him. He is not god, he is not Jesus, he is not a priest, therefore I don't wish to hear nothing coming from his mouth, telling me how I am to live my life, when he may not be living such a pure life himself.

Again I say you misunderstand, because I'm not talking about doing anything with the constitution, leave it alone. I'm talking about the party moving away from morons within the party- who wish to govern with faith in mind, and gets involved in people's personal lives.

Do you get it now?

Sorry, I have no interest in reading an entire book every time you post.
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Re: On the gay issue which divides our party
« Reply #96 on: December 13, 2012, 09:04:18 PM »
Ok lets pick your rubbish apart, by the way you sound no different from the ignorant hateful leftist...Just letting you know, and because your argument is based on irrational, and ignorant emotions, this will be too easy for me... Let's  begin.


I have gay family members as well, and have been around gays for my adult life.  They have been employees, friends, and business associates.

And yet you display your ignorance, and play right into the hands of the left.. What a loser.


This is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.  It's true on a small scale, but not the gay culture over-all.

Wow somebody didn't do too well with reading comprehension I see. Read it more carefully, and think before you respond. Ready? I never said anything about anyone within the gay culture- finding gay culture vile. I said people like my friend, my brother- and the many gay men he's interviewed in his 12 and a half year long research. These men who while not ashamed of themselves, as they carry themselves in a respectable way as well... Don't even like the word "gay", because of what mainstream gay culture has done to it... Pretty interesting that this group is growing.

That's just what I've seen looking at my friend's notes, and watching him conduct his interviews, fascinating stuff- which also had to be true, since it pissed off gay leftist twits, as well as twits on the religious right...Don't expect you to get all that though, you're stuck in your pathetic little ignorant views... Not trying to change your mind- don't care to. Just letting you know how ridiculous you sound, and that you're part of the reason why conservatism, and even Christianity, is easily attacked.. Moving on.

Conservatives just don't care about gay people, until they start trying to push legislation and being gay in public.

Again, that is something gay left-wing activist do; which everyone in here including myself, do not agree with, nor do the gay men I mentioned earlier- who also get trashed by those gays... However religious right-wing twits also support politicians, who'd push policies, that reflect more their morals, and beliefs. If we woke up tomorrow living in a truly massive socialist country, the left would rejoice. If we woke up and became a theocratic government (Christian), the religious right would rejoice. Both are pathetic fools, who understand nothing of the constitution or the founding fathers- though pay it a lot of lip service, and behave as sunshine patriots... I'm thinking you belong in that category.

My uncle was a gay soldier.  Still, gays shouldn't be in the military.  You are clueless.

I just want to let you know, I laughed at this for about 20 minutes; as did my buddy, and my bro... Ok lets get into this ridiculous statement of yours lol.

First of all, and this is why I say the left and the right- are two sides of the same pathetic coin. You just did exactly what they do. You talk about your "uncle" who was "gay", and was a "soldier", who said "gays shouldn't be in the military"- hoping it would shut me up. Yet you fail to realize the stupidity of your own lie (yes I think you're lying). That would be like me saying "white men shouldn't be history teachers" (I'm a teacher).

I'll pretend you're telling the truth, and ask... Was you're uncle one of those feminine whiny gays, who complained about manual labor, and squealed like a little girl at the scary boom boom noises? LOL The men I know who are gay and served, and just gay men like them in general- don't like girlish behavior, and cowardice in men. They served just fine, professionally, and honorably- and as I mentioned before- I wasn't even thinking about my friend's sexuality, when he was pulling me to safety.. Jesus people like you are the pure definition of stupidity lol; and this is part why conservatism, the Republican party, and even Christianity are so easily mocked... Too many muppets like you claiming it... My brother, his partner, and my friend- are true patriots, and way more man than you and your "uncle" combined, both of you are scum.. Ok next...


Sorry, guys can't concentrate when there is a nice piece of ass in front of us.  It's called "nature"

Ok, its clear you're being dumb; and even recalling some military sex fantasies- I don't know ROFL... I will say though, there's a large number of gay men, who don't find anything sexually appealing about messing around in a guy's ass. You can even do some research on it, but I'm sure its just easier for you to be ignorant and foolish lol- play on.

Are you moving goalposts now?

Is your brain functioning yet?

Wrong.  It has to do with low information voters -- not a stance of the Republican party.  I don't support gay marriage, and it is a state issue.  Tell me, how am I at odds with the gay community?

Apparently not.

And your last statement, now makes fact- that the left and the right; are both warped lol.

I never said you were at odds with the gay community... I also recall stating that I don't even agree with gay marriage, or changing the constitution about to support it. There are gays who don't believe in gay marriage, or changing the constitution, and don't like the gay community. So your words show you're not getting it.

The problem is, we have members of the Republican party (and idiots who support them)- who not only don't support, nor would acknowledge civil unions.. But don't even support the states handling it. Rick  Santorum was spouting this rubbish during the primaries. They are dead wrong to push any kind of policy which would block even the civil unions, or not acknowledge them- or would prevent states from handling the issue- due to their religious views. Again this is a step into the direction of government ruling people through religion. These members of the Republican party- who seek to be leaders for the religious right-- instead of the American people- are a large part as to why the Republican party and conservatism is dying.

People fail in this debate, because nobody is talking about civil unions, making sure they'd protect churches who don't want to be forced into marrying a gay couple, or letting the states deal with the issue. The only thing I see people doing is accusing people of being rinos, or liberals, and talking about how they don't believe in gay marriage. The current form of the Republican party, and Conservatism- are not its original- and so its now falling apart. Its quite telling, when you have a lot of people generally agree with the basic ideas of the party, and even conservatism (classic). Bute don't want to be associated with the Republican party. As they feel its become too much a political church, and too judgmental - they're right.

Nite nite, I'll check in after work tomorrow ^_^

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Re: On the gay issue which divides our party
« Reply #97 on: December 13, 2012, 11:06:25 PM »
I live in the Los Angeles area which has a huge diversity in the population, plus things tend to get discussed here probably more than in other parts of the country.  My experience is similar to Paladin's and not the same as yours.  Can't we all accept the fact that we have different experiences and realize the limitations when we try to extrapolate and make sweeping generalizations?

No, and it is ridiculous that you are trying to make the case the the gay community, overall, isn't a bunch of drama queens.  Sure, they tone it down at the office, or in mixed social settings, but when they get together.... LOOK OUT HONEY....


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From what Paladin wrote above, he is a recent combat veteran and I think it is offensive to call him clueless on this topic.

Good. I'm glad I can offend him. It puts hair on his chest.


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  That said, people will have different opinions.  In the absence of hard data or examples indicating specific issues, it's all a matter of opinion.  Considering surveys from active military saying they have no problem serving with gays, that should have some weight.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/10/dont_ask_survey_shows_majority.html
How would this be any different from heterosexual guys being around women in a professional environment.  Are we always thinking about the piece of ass to the point of being distracted from our jobs?  Understand the military is different with the communal living arrangement, but given surveys like the one linked above, until there are issues reported, your supposition is not well founded in facts.

You can give me all the surveys you want.  Straight males, overall, prefer not to be in tight quarters with gays.
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Re: On the gay issue which divides our party
« Reply #98 on: December 13, 2012, 11:43:45 PM »
You can give me all the surveys you want.  Straight males, overall, prefer not to be in tight quarters with gays.
In other words, "Don't bother me with any facts.  My opinions are the real facts.  I know best.  I do.  I do.  I do.  And my military experience is based on .... I talked to one person and saw movies too."  LOL No point in even debating someone like you.  Have your opinions and enjoy them.  But influencing others?   Oh well, not too important.
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Re: On the gay issue which divides our party
« Reply #99 on: December 13, 2012, 11:51:42 PM »
Ok lets pick your rubbish apart,

Goodie.  This ought to be interesting....

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by the way you sound no different from the ignorant hateful leftist...Just letting you know, and because your argument is based on irrational, and ignorant emotions, this will be too easy for me... Let's  begin.

Because I don't support gay marriage and don't think gays should serve in the military?  Gee, how hateful.  Women shouldn't serve either.  Do I hate women?


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And yet you display your ignorance, and play right into the hands of the left.. What a loser.

No.  I don't agree with the left simply because I don't want them to think I'm a mean 'ol biggot.  I'm a patriotic, pro-American, so I am already at odds with libs.


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Wow somebody didn't do too well with reading comprehension I see.

No worries.  Just keep working at it...

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Read it more carefully, and think before you respond. Ready? I never said anything about anyone within the gay culture- finding gay culture vile. I said people like my friend, my brother- and the many gay men he's interviewed in his 12 and a half year long research. These men who while not ashamed of themselves, as they carry themselves in a respectable way as well... Don't even like the word "gay", because of what mainstream gay culture has done to it... Pretty interesting that this group is growing.

Don't look now, genius, but you're making my case.

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That's just what I've seen looking at my friend's notes, and watching him conduct his interviews, fascinating stuff- which also had to be true, since it pissed off gay leftist twits, as well as twits on the religious right...Don't expect you to get all that though, you're stuck in your pathetic little ignorant views... Not trying to change your mind- don't care to. Just letting you know how ridiculous you sound, and that you're part of the reason why conservatism, and even Christianity, is easily attacked.. Moving on.

You can call my views pathetic because they don't agree with what you saw on your friend's research.  Sorry, I have this thing called "experience".

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Again, that is something gay left-wing activist do; which everyone in here including myself, do not agree with, nor do the gay men I mentioned earlier- who also get trashed by those gays... However religious right-wing twits also support politicians, who'd push policies, that reflect more their morals, and beliefs. If we woke up tomorrow living in a truly massive socialist country, the left would rejoice. If we woke up and became a theocratic government (Christian), the religious right would rejoice. Both are pathetic fools, who understand nothing of the constitution or the founding fathers- though pay it a lot of lip service, and behave as sunshine patriots... I'm thinking you belong in that category.

Dude, conservatives, overall, don't care about gays.  We're the ones not supporting stupid legislation.  We're the ones saying "Do what you want, just not out in public -- like the rest of us straight folks."  Gay people aren't special because they're gay.  Sorry.  Get over it.  The right wouldn't rejoice in a theocratic society either.  That would suck.


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I just want to let you know, I laughed at this for about 20 minutes; as did my buddy, and my bro... Ok lets get into this ridiculous statement of yours lol.

First of all, and this is why I say the left and the right- are two sides of the same pathetic coin. You just did exactly what they do. You talk about your "uncle" who was "gay", and was a "soldier", who said "gays shouldn't be in the military"- hoping it would shut me up. Yet you fail to realize the stupidity of your own lie (yes I think you're lying). That would be like me saying "white men shouldn't be history teachers" (I'm a teacher).

I countered USAPatriot's comment that you know about this topic because you served.  Whether you served or not, or my Uncle serving, has no affect on my perspective.  I'm sorry if you want me to care.


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I'll pretend you're telling the truth, and ask... Was you're uncle one of those feminine whiny gays, who complained about manual labor, and squealed like a little girl at the scary boom boom noises?

No.  This was back in the 80s.  No one knew he was gay.  That's why it worked out, and was OK.


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LOL The men I know who are gay and served, and just gay men like them in general- don't like girlish behavior, and cowardice in men. They served just fine, professionally, and honorably- and as I mentioned before- I wasn't even thinking about my friend's sexuality, when he was pulling me to safety..


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Jesus people like you are the pure definition of stupidity lol; and this is part why conservatism, the Republican party, and even Christianity are so easily mocked... Too many muppets like you claiming it... My brother, his partner, and my friend- are true patriots, and way more man than you and your "uncle" combined, both of you are scum.. Ok next...

I'm not religious.  Try again...


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Ok, its clear you're being dumb; and even recalling some military sex fantasies- I don't know ROFL... I will say though, there's a large number of gay men, who don't find anything sexually appealing about messing around in a guy's ass. You can even do some research on it, but I'm sure its just easier for you to be ignorant and foolish lol- play on.

Gay people are all about the penis. Their world revolves around it.  That is reality.  I'm sorry you are having an issue accepting what your brother does, but you need to get over it.


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Is your brain functioning yet?

Apparently not.

And your last statement, now makes fact- that the left and the right; are both warped lol.

I never said you were at odds with the gay community... I also recall stating that I don't even agree with gay marriage, or changing the constitution about to support it. There are gays who don't believe in gay marriage, or changing the constitution, and don't like the gay community. So your words show you're not getting it.

The problem is, we have members of the Republican party (and idiots who support them)- who not only don't support, nor would acknowledge civil unions.. But don't even support the states handling it. Rick  Santorum was spouting this rubbish during the primaries. They are dead wrong to push any kind of policy which would block even the civil unions, or not acknowledge them- or would prevent states from handling the issue- due to their religious views.

That is their religious views.  Why do you have a problem with that?


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Again this is a step into the direction of government ruling people through religion. These members of the Republican party- who seek to be leaders for the religious right-- instead of the American people- are a large part as to why the Republican party and conservatism is dying.

You need to do a better job figuring out who "hates gays", and who just disagrees with them.  Just because someone is religious and doesn't agree with the gay lifestyle isn't a reason for me to have a problem with them.  Sorry.


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People fail in this debate, because nobody is talking about civil unions, making sure they'd protect churches who don't want to be forced into marrying a gay couple, or letting the states deal with the issue. The only thing I see people doing is accusing people of being rinos, or liberals, and talking about how they don't believe in gay marriage. The current form of the Republican party, and Conservatism- are not its original- and so its now falling apart. Its quite telling, when you have a lot of people generally agree with the basic ideas of the party, and even conservatism (classic). Bute don't want to be associated with the Republican party. As they feel its become too much a political church, and too judgmental - they're right.

Nite nite, I'll check in after work tomorrow ^_^

It boils down to gays, overall, behave like hormonal women.  Show me a gay person, and I'll show you a drama queen.
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Re: On the gay issue which divides our party
« Reply #100 on: December 14, 2012, 02:28:11 AM »

You started off good, but then the rest of your statements took a giant nosedive, due to ignorance.

I've lived around gay people myself, (especially when I lived in Europe),  three of my best friends are gay, that would be my older brother, a man I served with in the military, and my brother's partner, who ran a 12 and a half year study on the entire issue, to which I learned some very interesting stuff.

gay men like the people I mentioned (and learned there are quite a lot of em), while they have no shame acknowledging that they are gay, meaning they do not hate themselves. They strongly detest gay culture. They find it disgusting, depressing, destructive, disrespectful, and degrading. The gays who are conservative, and do believe in god, and do hold on to noble values- get trashed all the time by the larger majority who are quite leftist. So they do not associate with them, you won't find them in gay clubs, bars, or gay pride... Unfortunately they also get a lot of crap from ignorant wankers on the right as well. While disappointing to them (and to me), they are strong- and don't go flailing about like a crybaby leftist. They keep quiet and keep to themselves.

As far as gays in the military goes... The man I served with, was a damn good soldier- and had everyone's respect. His sexuality was non existent on our minds, especially when I almost got killed, and he was one of the people pulling me to safety. Its mostly the higher ups who get their panties in the knot about gays in the military, but while I do respect their position, they don't mean much to me, because they don't go through the same things guys out in the field do, and I certainly don't care for the opinion of someone who hasn't served and flaps off at the mouth about gays in the military, or disrespects a soldier because he is gay- yet thinks of himself as a patriot- to me, they are garbage. The man I served with, also viewed us as his brothers, so the thought of any kind of sexual activity or thought, would have simply grossed him out, aside from that- anyone would have thought we were all gay, with the horseplay and jokes we'd all do lol.... He also had no problem doing his job, or any problem with his sexuality save for the fact he had to be careful to not let other morons who'd  probably want to get him kicked out, learn he was gay- by either getting a letter, phone call, or email from his partner (this was before DADT was repealed).

There are gays in the military in Europe, and gays in the Israeli military as well- and no problems. And you're not supposed to be having sex in the military or look at porn regardless of your sexuality- bigger issue with male/female, due to the possibility of pregnancy. Its highly unprofessional to be getting into that. I missed my girl a lot, as did other guys. I didn't sneak to go find a female to mess about with, nor did he seek to mess about with anyone.


The last bit about the whole daughter thing, was really sad. Child molestation has nothing to do with someone's sexuality. Its about someone who has no kind of control over their life,(regardless of sexuality)- and feels that control and power- when they are in control of a child. Some have a perverted fascination with the innocence of children- boy, girl, or both. Then some are re-enacting abuse that was put upon them at some point in their life. I wouldn't leave my child with anyone who I didn't know and trust.

Your statements is exactly what makes conservatism, and the Republican party look bad- too judgmental, ignorant, hateful even. And then conservatives are shocked and surprised elections get lost. If this attitude and mentality remains popular within the party, just get used to the reality that George Bush Jr, was the last president of the Republican party.

I should have said "open" homosexuality. I was okay with don't ask, don't tell.

I never said a word about child molestation. That was a complete fabrication on your part, and you missed my point completely, as well.

You did, however, demonstrate my point perfectly.

I was talking about completely normal men, that decided to get into baby sitting to make money. As soon as I mentioned "men as baby sitters", you automatically assumed that they were child molesters. That's called prejudice. It's a prejudice that I have also.
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Re: On the gay issue which divides our party
« Reply #101 on: December 14, 2012, 02:29:32 AM »
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Gay people are all about the penis. Their world revolves around it.  That is reality. 

Found my new signature.

Keep it up taxed, you're sure entertaining.

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I was okay with don't ask, don't tell.

Why should people be forced to hide a part of their life just because some childish moron doesn't like gays ?

Imagine if don't ask, don't tell was around for religion. You couldn't display your religion or even mention it and I couldn't ask you about it either. All because I didn't like Christianity.
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Re: On the gay issue which divides our party
« Reply #102 on: December 14, 2012, 03:12:52 AM »
Found my new signature.

Keep it up taxed, you're sure entertaining.

Why should people be forced to hide a part of their life just because some childish moron doesn't like gays ?

Imagine if don't ask, don't tell was around for religion. You couldn't display your religion or even mention it and I couldn't ask you about it either. All because I didn't like Christianity.

Did you notice that when I mentioned men getting into the child care business, (despite the fact that I said that they had clean records and had never done anything wrong), Paladin jumped to the conclusion that they were child molesters? Interesting, huh?

Our military is comprised primarily of kids in their late teens and early twenties.
I think I can safely say that people that age think about sex a lot. Particularly when around others that are the object of their sexual attraction.
If I had been placed in a company of women during my military days, 24/7, and often on long deployments, I can assure you, that being around women all the time would have had me thinking about sex constantly.
Are you telling me that homosexuals have no sexual urges toward others of the same sex? If so, please link the evidence.

My point has nothing to do with a bias against homosexuals. How do you suppose it would work out if heterosexual men and women shared sleeping and showering facilities, particularly on long, lonely deployments? I don't think you can honestly tell me that a bunch of 20 somethings wouldn't have problems.

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Re: On the gay issue which divides our party
« Reply #103 on: December 14, 2012, 04:15:31 AM »
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I was okay with don't ask, don't tell.

Why should people be forced to hide a part of their life just because some childish moron doesn't like gays ?

Imagine if don't ask, don't tell was around for religion. You couldn't display your religion or even mention it and I couldn't ask you about it either. All because I didn't like Christianity.


This is what I was responding to. It gets confusing when you guys use the "insert quote" feature to carry on side conversations within a thread. :confused:

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Re: On the gay issue which divides our party
« Reply #104 on: December 14, 2012, 05:22:39 AM »
Did you notice that when I mentioned men getting into the child care business, (despite the fact that I said that they had clean records and had never done anything wrong), Paladin jumped to the conclusion that they were child molesters? Interesting, huh?

Our military is comprised primarily of kids in their late teens and early twenties.
I think I can safely say that people that age think about sex a lot. Particularly when around others that are the object of their sexual attraction.
If I had been placed in a company of women during my military days, 24/7, and often on long deployments, I can assure you, that being around women all the time would have had me thinking about sex constantly.
Are you telling me that homosexuals have no sexual urges toward others of the same sex? If so, please link the evidence.

My point has nothing to do with a bias against homosexuals. How do you suppose it would work out if heterosexual men and women shared sleeping and showering facilities, particularly on long, lonely deployments? I don't think you can honestly tell me that a bunch of 20 somethings wouldn't have problems.
I've always found it interesting that people who describe themselves - first and foremost - by their sexual urges, will in the next sentence tell you how they will suppress all of those same urges if they're in the military. And we should believe that because?
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