On the gay issue which divides our party

Started by Skeptic, December 02, 2012, 04:02:10 PM

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Darth Fife

Quote from: Skeptic on December 02, 2012, 05:46:35 PM
It is not an anomaly. Just observe the animal kingdom and you will notice dozens of mammal species that exhibit homosexual behavior. So it doesn't deviate from our observations.

Actually, the observed behavior is not the same as homosexuality as practiced by humans. It is more often than not a dominate male or female reinforcing their position in the group's social order with their inferiors.

By the way, some species in the animal kingdom cannibalize their young. Call me old fashioned but, I don't think we humans should be doing that, either.
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Yawn

He doesn't seem to know that humans are to be governed by moral principles not animal instinct.

That gay friend used to say that "Humans have the ability to live like gods on earth, or worse than animals. It's up to us to choose."

Dolphins engage in gang rape. WE punish for that (unless you're muslim).

BILLY Defiant

personally I could care less who mounts who or who does what to whom
in their bedroom.

The gay people are going to be our next protect/privledged class...that is what I object to.

Billy
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manifest

Quote from: Yawn on December 02, 2012, 04:34:28 PM
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This is what happens when God is removed from the mix

Gay marriage and atheism are not the same thing.   I'm sure plenty of gay people, either in marriages or committed relationships, believe in God and perhaps even believe that God smiles upon and blesses their union.







Bronx

Quote from: manifest on December 08, 2012, 06:33:03 AM
Gay marriage and atheism are not the same thing.   I'm sure plenty of gay people, either in marriages or committed relationships, believe in God and perhaps even believe that God smiles upon and blesses their union.

The devil also believes in God...just saying.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

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Quote from: manifest on December 08, 2012, 06:33:03 AM
Gay marriage and atheism are not the same thing.   I'm sure plenty of gay people, either in marriages or committed relationships, believe in God and perhaps even believe that God smiles upon and blesses their union.
I don't doubt that for a second since many consider the fact that God made them that way.
But I agree with Yawn as well, in that removing God from many aspects of our lives, perversions have become a political tool of the left.

Can you see the connection?
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kramarat

Quote from: Solar on December 08, 2012, 06:49:29 AM
I don't doubt that for a second since many consider the fact that God made them that way.
But I agree with Yawn as well, in that removing God from many aspects of our lives, perversions have become a political tool of the left.

Can you see the connection?

I'm done worrying about gay marriage. The SCOTUS is going to give it to them, we are talking about a tiny segment of the population, and it won't have any meaningful impact on my life. I will fight the gay lifestyle being taught to our children, but that's where it ends.

There are bigger fish out there to worry about. The ones that are seeking to destroy the country.

Solar

Quote from: kramarat on December 08, 2012, 06:57:42 AM
I'm done worrying about gay marriage. The SCOTUS is going to give it to them, we are talking about a tiny segment of the population, and it won't have any meaningful impact on my life. I will fight the gay lifestyle being taught to our children, but that's where it ends.

There are bigger fish out there to worry about. The ones that are seeking to destroy the country.
They are merely pawns in a nasty game of power grab.
The left has a history of pitting groups against each other, known as divide and conquer.
These groups will all suffer under the oppressive thumb of communism/fascism.
As Panetta once said, it's an ends to a means....
They don't care who or what the destroy as long as it meets their end goal.
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kramarat

Quote from: Solar on December 08, 2012, 07:03:29 AM
They are merely pawns in a nasty game of power grab.
The left has a history of pitting groups against each other, known as divide and conquer.
These groups will all suffer under the oppressive thumb of communism/fascism.
As Panetta once said, it's an ends to a means....
They don't care who or what the destroy as long as it meets their end goal.

I'm not going to worry about it. On the other hand, once they get the green light on getting married, I fully expect them to shut up and go live out their lives quietly.

Yeah, right. :unsure:

walkstall

Quote from: kramarat on December 08, 2012, 07:16:25 AM
I'm not going to worry about it. On the other hand, once they get the green light on getting married, I fully expect them to shut up and go live out their lives quietly.
Yeah, right. :unsure:




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Quote from: Skeptic on December 02, 2012, 04:25:36 PM
There was also a time when segregation was the norm, until President Eisenhower desegregated the military and laid the foundation to allow the Supreme Court to find that separate but equal was in fact unequal.

Actually it was Truman that desegregated the armed services.

Eisenhower ( laying the foundation to eliminate segregation is somewhat of a stretch ) continued to pack the SCOTUS with liberal Justices, most notably Earl Warren, who in turn, used a book by a socialist Gunnar Myrdal written in 1940 0r 1941 as the 'MODERN AUTHORITY', to rule in Brown vs Board of Education, and then unconsciously and unconstitutionally invaded Little Rock, Arkansas.

You may take note it was a Republican controlled Congress that first enacted school segregation in the schools of Washington, DC.
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BTW and just for the record. The gay issue isn't dividing our party. The gay issue is what the Democrats and Progressives are blowing all out of proportion in hopes that it will  drive a wedge between the different factions of the Republican Party.

mdgiles

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Quote from: Shooterman on December 08, 2012, 07:30:49 AM
Actually it was Truman that desegregated the armed services.
Actually it was World War II, that desegregated the military. In Europe and in the Pacific, the US was literally running short of combat infantryman at the end of the war. In desperation, they started using rear echelon black troops in combat units. The found - contrary to their experience with segregated units - that integrated units worked well. The Air Force when it became and independent service branch, moved to removed segregation even before Truman's executive order,  as they found it wasteful of manpower. In addition, being integrated gave the Air Force access to a pool of recruits unavailable to the other services.

QuoteEisenhower ( laying the foundation to eliminate segregation is somewhat of a stretch ) continued to pack the SCOTUS with liberal Justices, most notably Earl Warren, who in turn, used a book by a socialist Gunnar Myrdal written in 1940 0r 1941 as the 'MODERN AUTHORITY', to rule in Brown vs Board of Education, and then unconsciously and unconstitutionally invaded Little Rock, Arkansas.
Earl Warren was the governor of California who pushed for removing Japanese-Americans from the west coast during the war. He hardly started out as a Liberal. Once on the court, he allowed the court to be dominated by the left wingers Douglas and Brennen.

QuoteYou may take note it was a Republican controlled Congress that first enacted school segregation in the schools of Washington, DC.
The public schools of DC were first created in 1806. The first public schools for blacks were created in the 1860's and were segregated. However as federal employees, both black and white teachers had to meet the same standards and were paid the same. Real legal segregation, in both housing and employment, arrived with Southerner Woodrow Wilson in 1913.
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Yawn

Quote from: Darth Fife on December 08, 2012, 08:13:46 AM
BTW and just for the record. The gay issue isn't dividing our party. The gay issue is what the Democrats and Progressives are blowing all out of proportion in hopes that it will  drive a wedge between the different factions of the Republican Party.

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valjean

I'm tired of the naiveté surrounding this gay issue. It isn't just about the government trying to redefine marriage, it's not just about people perceiving that they are being denied so called "rights" There is so much more at stake here than these simple ideas. If the government presumes to redefine marriage to include homosexual couples, this new government morality is going to be pushed in the public school systems, even if you are opposed to the gay agenda, the government will deliberately undermine the sexual morals you try to teach your kids and indoctrinate them into thinking there is no difference between two men, two women, or one man and one woman getting married.

Businesses and charities that don't believe in same sex marriage will be sued and possibly forced to close if they deny service to a gay couple because the basis of service provided is directed at recognizing a marital union that the charity or business does not feel they can morally recognize. One example is Catholic orphanages being sued because such orphanages refuse to let gay couples adopt the children in their care. Or take the example of that woman who refused to bake a cake for a gay "marriage" reception. I am of the mind that you should not be forced to perform business that conflicts with your conscience under penalty of law.

The point is here, that this issue isn't as narrow as people try to frame it, if the government redefines marriage into its own government sanctioned definition, then this change will affect more than just the gay couples seeking "the right to marry" It will affect our school system where our children will be indoctrinated from kindergarten up to see homosexual relationships and homosexual sex as no different than heterosexual relationships. Not only this, but they will be taught that if they think there is something morally wrong with the homosexual lifestyle that that means that THEY are defective, there is something wrong with THEM, that THEY need reeducation, that THEIR parents are bigots and need therapy to overcome their hatefulness. They will send kids on guilt trips for not agreeing with the majority or their teachers, and this is very very wrong. Think I'm overstating this? I don't; I remember being in grade school while the eco-crazies were drilling into our heads the importance of refusing to buy rainforest wood, (forget the fact that the refusal to do so could mean the financial ruin of some very poor people in South America) and all sorts of other left wing causes that were taught as actual education from kindergarten to HS.

This agenda to redefine marriage to include homosexual couples is not as noble and serene as the media tries to portray, it isn't just about gaining what they perceive to be their civil rights, it's about forcing society to accept the homosexual lifestyle without and distinction or qualification. They want hate speech laws that will target people for simply quoting a belief from the Bible, they want to completely crush any opposition to their agenda using legal means to do so. Anti-Bullying Laws, while I despise bullying of any sort, are going to be used to target students who merely express opposition to homosexual sex, relationships, and so on. And this isn't right, this is the government trying to spread their ethics, by using the law to target anyone who feels differently with the hope of using the law, political correctness, government education, to reshape the thought of the society. I for one do not want to go along with this, and oppose measures to redefine marriage to include homosexual couples because that is the falling domino that will be used to justify any other measure that the gay agenda wants, and as I said, this agenda is intent on eradicating opposing opinion, while using the government as a means to do so.