Quote from: mdgiles on December 14, 2012, 05:22:39 AM
I've always found it interesting that people who describe themselves - first and foremost - by their sexual urges, will in the next sentence tell you how they will suppress all of those same urges if they're in the military. And we should believe that because?

They also expect the military to be a reflection of society, and for everything to be "fair".
The military will never be fair, based on those standards. Never was, never was intended to be. It's an authoritarian dictatorship. Poor me. I remember working 16 hour days, and they didn't even pay me minimum wage or time and a half for overtime.
They didn't give me privacy. They brought drug dogs onboard the ship and searched our stuff with no warrant.

The military has a very specific purpose. At least when I was in, caring about our "feelings" wasn't on the priority list. I worked in the hole as a snipe, (engine room). Average temps ran about 110 F. Nobody cared how we felt.

It's very telling, that when I mentioned "men" and "childcare" in the same sentence, Paladin assumed that they must be child molesters, although I said no such thing, and yet he sits in judgement of me when I say that admitted and practicing homosexuals might be tempted to act on their sexual proclivity, when surrounded by and living in close quarters with people that they are sexually attracted to.

Quote from: taxed on December 13, 2012, 11:51:42 PM
Gay people are all about the penis. Their world revolves around it.

Classic and extremely true.

By the way, do you not see a couple of people posting under the guise of Conservatism pushing a gay agenda?

Quote from: Solar on December 14, 2012, 06:10:16 AM

Classic and extremely true.

By the way, do you not see a couple of people posting under the guise of Conservatism pushing a gay agenda?

LEFTIST gay agenda. Conservatives are quite willing to support a rightist gay agenda - quietly living your own life, without constant demands for public approval.

Quote from: Solar on December 14, 2012, 06:10:16 AM

Classic and extremely true.

By the way, do you not see a couple of people posting under the guise of Conservatism pushing a gay agenda?

Ding, ding, ding,
  YES!    Kinda hard to miss them, they all sound alike.  Do they have some kind of activist book to go by?

Quote from: Solar on December 14, 2012, 06:10:16 AM

Classic and extremely true.

Totally!  And I didn't make that up...  my uncle has been gay for a long time and has broken down the gay psychology for me many-a-time.  That is what being gay is all about -- like us straight people are about girls.  How does it not make sense???  I guess these champions of the gays spend too much time trying to not be homophobic, yet seem to have no clue about them. 

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By the way, do you not see a couple of people posting under the guise of Conservatism pushing a gay agenda?

It's like Liberace wearing a Reagan Halloween mask.  We're all conservative -- and we should roll out the red carpet if someone declares they like to chug c**k, like I care...

Quote from: taxed on December 14, 2012, 09:08:59 AM
Totally!  And I didn't make that up...  my uncle has been gay for a long time and has broken down the gay psychology for me many-a-time.  That is what being gay is all about -- like us straight people are about girls.  How does it not make sense???  I guess these champions of the gays spend too much time trying to not be homophobic, yet seem to have no clue about them. 
It's like Liberace wearing a Reagan Halloween mask.  We're all conservative -- and we should roll out the red carpet if someone declares they like to chug c**k, like I care...

They're working in concert, it's the new Paulets, or Ronets stance on Conservatism.
I'm starting to see a pattern here, the Paul supporters are taking the extreme LIBertarian ideal to a new left, and they somehow think it's a Conservative ideal, to bend over and capitulate to the left.
When in reality, they are no better than a bunch of damned RINO capitulating to the left.

This is what happens when kids awake to politics, lock onto one ideal and never understand the history connected to their beliefs.

Getting the GOP to concentrate on fiscal matters is one thing, but they'd rather focus on social matters, in turn falling into the leftist trap and letting their talking points be their guide.

Quote from: Solar on December 14, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
They're working in concert, it's the new Paulets, or Ronets stance on Conservatism.
I'm starting to see a pattern here, the Paul supporters are taking the extreme LIBertarian ideal to a new left, and they somehow think it's a Conservative ideal, to bend over and capitulate to the left.
When in reality, they are no better than a bunch of damned RINO capitulating to the left.

This is what happens when kids awake to politics, lock onto one ideal and never understand the history connected to their beliefs.

Getting the GOP to concentrate on fiscal matters is one thing, but they'd rather focus on social matters, in turn falling into the leftist trap and letting their talking points be their guide.

Interesting...........

That does seem to be the latest thing.  What is really funny is how they care about what people do in their bedrooms -- then try to say we're biggots because we don't care about their lifestyle.

Quote from: redlom xof on December 14, 2012, 02:29:32 AM
Found my new signature.

Keep it up taxed, you're sure entertaining.

Why should people be forced to hide a part of their life just because some childish moron doesn't like gays ?

Imagine if don't ask, don't tell was around for religion. You couldn't display your religion or even mention it and I couldn't ask you about it either. All because I didn't like Christianity.

You're the genius who believes in AGW and other fairy tales, which explains your ridiculous post.

Quote from: Solar on December 14, 2012, 06:10:16 AM

Classic and extremely true.

By the way, do you not see a couple of people posting under the guise of Conservatism pushing a gay agenda?

Thats why they keep writing books on each post they make about the gay agenda.     In my younger days they were called Queer, for over 50 years they were called sick people.  Now there called gays.   

Quote from: taxed on December 14, 2012, 09:42:27 AM
Interesting...........

That does seem to be the latest thing.  What is really funny is how they care about what people do in their bedrooms -- then try to say we're biggots because we don't care about their lifestyle.

'Exactly!!!

Quote from: Solar on December 14, 2012, 10:21:02 AM
'Exactly!!!

It's like "global warming"...  it will cause the destruction of man, yet, they are Darwinists that say humans evolve and adapt.

It doesn't take any brainpower to be a lib, that's for sure.

Quote from: kramarat on December 14, 2012, 02:28:11 AM
I should have said "open" homosexuality. I was okay with don't ask, don't tell.

I never said a word about child molestation. That was a complete fabrication on your part, and you missed my point completely, as well.

You did, however, demonstrate my point perfectly.

I was talking about completely normal men, that decided to get into baby sitting to make money. As soon as I mentioned "men as baby sitters", you automatically assumed that they were child molesters. That's called prejudice. It's a prejudice that I have also.

You're not making any points though, just going on about irrational emotions, based in ignorance. Its ok if you don't agree with gay marriage, or even homosexuality. But I see a lot of people lumping ALL homosexuals in the same category, and just saying things that continue to hurt conservatism, and the Republican party- so the behavior of people towards the party, and conservatism, isn't very surprising to me.

And that's nice you cleared up the whole thing about men baby sitting... Though I'm not sure why you even thought that was important to talk about.

You make this too easy for me, really lol.

Quote from: taxed on December 13, 2012, 11:51:42 PMBecause I don't support gay marriage and don't think gays should serve in the military?  Gee, how hateful.  Women shouldn't serve either.  Do I hate women?

You continue to display poor comprehension skills. Nobody said you were hateful, because you don't support gay marriage. I've already stated countless times, I don't even support gay marriage, and there are gays who don't either. As far as gays in the military go, I didn't give a crap or wonder who was gay when I was serving. And when it happen to come out that one of the guys in my unit was gay- sure we were surprised, as nobody would have even thought so about him- but he was a damn good soldier, awesome guy, and did his job beyond well which is all we cared about. As far as women in combat go, I have mixed feelings about that, but hey if a woman chooses to defend and serve this country, and can do the damn job, then she's got my respect. No you aren't hateful because you don't support those things, I called you hateful because your wording was irrational and ignorant- same as I hear on the left... In other words you made yourself look the part.

Quote from: taxed on December 13, 2012, 11:51:42 PMNo.  I don't agree with the left simply because I don't want them to think I'm a mean 'ol biggot.  I'm a patriotic, pro-American, so I am already at odds with libs.

I don't give a crap what anyone thinks of me, except family and closest friends; and I loathe political correctness (just as much as prudes). My whole philosophy is based more on classic liberalism- which is also part of the philosophy of classic Republicanism, but also what America was meant to be. In other words, if you're not hurting me, anyone I love and care for,  the country, other people, and you're happy with yourself- then I don't give a shit- my opinion of you is formed by the character you display- where you show your heart is. I just happen to know that, not every gay person is a flaming fairy who hates god, hates America, and wants to tear down all noble philosophies of this country. I don't agree with the left or "libs" as you call them, nor do I agree with the right. They're both morons- and neither one of them are pro-American patriots- they're just sunshine patriots... I put you in that category of course.

Quote from: taxed on December 13, 2012, 11:51:42 PMDon't look now, genius, but you're making my case.

ROFL!!! This is exactly why I say your comprehension skills are lacking.

No this wasn't your case, in fact I'm not even sure what case you're trying to make- since you sound like an irrational twit lol.

Those men (and women too), who don't even like the word gay; because they don't like what mainstream gay culture has done to it.... DON'T EVEN LIVE AND LOVE MAINSTREAM GAY CULTURE aka "gay lifestyle". They stay away from it, because it clashes with their traditions and values, and even political beliefs- due to mainstream gay culture being left-wing. Because these gays (who my friend labeled "Group C" in his research), stay away from it- they get viciously trashed by the ones who love it, and live it. They if not threatened physically, are also called things like "sell out", or "self-hater". You're not going to find these gay men and women, in any gay bars, gay clubs, and definitely not a gay pride parade- they find them to be freak shows, disrespectful, degrading, not who they are.

These gays (conservative gays), don't go about wearing their sexuality on their sleeve. Its not who they are- its their character as a man, or a woman that defines who they are, not who they are physically and emotionally attracted to. Mainstream gay culture on the other hand believes the opposite. Which is one of the biggest tenants in left-wing ideology. If you're gay, or black, you must think, behave, and like the same, and support all left-wing ideology... Your statements so far, have played right into this- and you're too ignorant to even catch it.

Quote from: taxed on December 13, 2012, 11:51:42 PMYou can call my views pathetic because they don't agree with what you saw on your friend's research.  Sorry, I have this thing called "experience".

LOL No you have a little thing called "irrational ignorance" (the stupid kind of ignorance at that). Your statements mirror more someone of that nature, not someone of experience, or wisdom. That's my department. I had experience living with someone who is gay, serving with someone who is gay- and then took interest in my friend's research, and information which he had been gathering for 12 and a half years- which was very fascinating after meeting some of these people.

quote author=taxed link=topic=9010.msg103700#msg103700 date=1355471502]Dude, conservatives, overall, don't care about gays.  We're the ones not supporting stupid legislation.  We're the ones saying "Do what you want, just not out in public -- like the rest of us straight folks."  Gay people aren't special because they're gay.  Sorry.  Get over it.  The right wouldn't rejoice in a theocratic society either.  That would suck.
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1. A real American patriot cares for the freedoms and rights of ALL Americans. As I said, if you're not hurting anyone, or the country, and you're happy- then I don't care. I'm not going to stand in your way of life, if you aren't ruining anyone else's. Modern conservatives, just as modern liberals- only care for their little ideology, and their group of morons who support them.


2. Again, you're talking about left-wing gay activist here- who live and love mainstream gay culture- who I feel are garbage because of what they spew. The gays who keep away from mainstream gay culture, aka "gay lifestyle" (who also think it and they are garbage), don't push legislation change, don't care for it- nor do they "do anything in public". They just mind their own business, live their life, and want to be left alone to do so... Unfortunately (which is my point to this entire topic)... We have right-wing politicians, who wouldn't acknowledge the union of two gays... Meaning, if these two gays got a civil union (which many of these right-wing twits do not support- due to religious reasons), or they were married in a gay accepting church.  The couple would not be entitled to the benefits of their partner. This interferes with their freedom, and should not be- it isn't "special treatment". Sarah Palin as I mentioned, vetoed a bill, that would have prevented same sex couples from receiving their partner's benefits. This isn't "special treatment"- because she's a real conservative, and real patriot.

3. Get over what? The only thing I'm talking about, and see needs to change- are the overly religious twits within the Republican party- or at least the wanting to appease the religious right so much. This is hurting the party which is of no surprise. I do not agree with changing definition of marriage, but I do agree that if a gay couple got a civil union, or was married in a gay accepting church, that couple should be entitled to the same benefits a traditional couple has. Denying them this stands in the way their of their personal freedom, and again... Unfortunately we have members within the Republican party, who would not acknowledge the union, therefore would deny them this... This is basically what Rick Santorum said in the primaries, when he said he would not acknowledge the civil union either- all due to his religious views... If you think I should "get over it", then you really need to stop calling yourself an American patriot because you're not, if you can't see what's wrong with that.

4. I said religious right, and no it would not suck to them- check your reading skills please ^_^.

Quote from: taxed on December 13, 2012, 11:51:42 PMI countered USAPatriot's comment that you know about this topic because you served.  Whether you served or not, or my Uncle serving, has no affect on my perspective.  I'm sorry if you want me to care.

You didn't "counter" anything, just displayed more ignorance- to which if your uncle really said that crap for real, then that's sadly hilarious. I'm also not asking you to care about anything, I'm only pointing out how ridiculously you appear- and part of why conservatism, and the Republican party, and just anyone on the right is easily mocked, and torn down- because of tactless statements, that are based in ignorance. I don't know what your "gay" uncle did to make him feel gays shouldn't be in the military, but the gay guy I served with had no problems, so sorry (actually I'm not sorry)- I'm not going to share the ridiculous opinion you and your uncle have on this issue.

Quote from: taxed on December 13, 2012, 11:51:42 PM
No.  This was back in the 80s.  No one knew he was gay.  That's why it worked out, and was OK.

Nobody knew the guy I served with was gay, as he didn't feel it was important. It only came up when we were talking about girls, and he was asked if he had a girlfriend or wife- he simply said "no I'm gay". We were all surprised, because nobody in a million years would ever think he was gay, but everyone got curious and asked him a load of questions (not disrespectful ones), and they were shocked about his responses- because it didn't match up with what they knew or thought of gay people, and ultimately nobody cared.

Quote from: taxed on December 13, 2012, 11:51:42 PMSure...

ROFL I've seen this photo before, and the men who are gay that I know, and the guys I got to meet during my friend's research... Laugh at shit like this. They don't like this stuff, because they feel it its just not very manly for a guy to be holding another dude like that kissing on him like that in public my girlfriend was in my arms like that when I came home lol. They don't even like holding hands in public, feeling that's a male/female thing. They don't use terms like "boyfriend" or "husband", again it emulates male/female. And so again you further prove your ignorance with mass generalizations... Not every gay person behaves in this manner. I don't find any of what you say offensive or anything, nor would any of the gays I know... They aren't cry baby lefties.

I'm just letting you again, know how retarded you sound. Unfortunately too many on the right do this sort of thing- and not all of it is even done with any kind of malice, just more as a joke. I think its funny, the gay men I know would too. However you cannot afford to be joking like that, when you're already pegged as either racist, anti-gay, or just trapped in the 1950's. Then of course the right-wing politician who may have joked like this, or any of his supporters. Now has to spend time talking about how he's not racist, or anti-gay, which takes time away from his message.

The independent (which out number left and right), who may have a gay friend or family  member- may see it as "mean" or "unfair" to poke fun at this, or maybe even hateful- and will say (which I've heard many times) "Republicans are stuck in the 50's" "Why are they so concerned about people's relationships" "My gay friend doesn't behave like this". And so then they'll move further away from anything that has to do with conservatism or the Republican party- and so the left continues to lead the culture... Wise up.

Quote from: taxed on December 13, 2012, 11:51:42 PMI'm not religious.  Try again..

Sure you're religious. Your religion is right-wing ideology, which keeps you from actually thinking for yourself, but also keeps you from thinking about the original platform of the Republican party, conservatism, and what classic liberalism is- as well as what the founding fathers had intended for this country. Its quite alright for you to be against gays in the military, gay marriage, ect- and if you explain a reasonable positions for your beliefs, it doesn't make you hateful at all. I too was once against gays in the military. My reasons were due to a lot of the hazing that goes on. I didn't want someone saying "I was treated this way because I'm gay", and now a good instructor or so, is getting in trouble. But that hasn't happened in all the years gays have been serving, or today, which by the way nobody's noticed any change nor cares about DADT's repeal. I know soldiers who have asked gay soldiers "so how does it feel", their response "just another day". Though there are some who are now not afraid of receiving a letter, phone call, or email from their partner, or listing them as a beneficiary if they are killed.

Quote from: taxed on December 13, 2012, 11:51:42 PMGay people are all about the penis. Their world revolves around it.  That is reality.  I'm sorry you are having an issue accepting what your brother does, but you need to get over it.

Another mass generalization further making you look retarded lol. I don't have a hard time accepting anything about my brother- he's happy I'm happy. He's a good man, and good brother, proud of him, no more or less than my other two brothers, or the ones who don't share my blood. You don't offend me, just further prove my opinion of your stupidity.

Quote from: taxed on December 13, 2012, 11:51:42 PMThat is their religious views.  Why do you have a problem with that?

I don't have a problem with anyone's religious views, so long as their religion doesn't call for ending another person's life- or restricting a person's personal choice or freedom- if they are not hurting anyone.

Unfortunately as I've been mentioning- which has been my point on this debate. There are members within the Republican party, who'd deny a gay couple from receiving benefits from their partner, because they do not acknowledge the union of the couple, due to religious reasons. This I have a problem with, they are behaving no differently from the left- who wish to tell you what car to drive, what bulb to use, what you can and cannot say. Keep your faith out of policy that has to do with people's personal lives. I was praying Romney would have the balls, to stand by how he was in Massachusetts- with the whole civil unions, and benefits, but he had to play Mr Right-wing, to appease the religious right-wing twits who were all in love with  Santorum.

You can say you don't agree with gay marriage, and state your religious views for having that belief. This doesn't make you hateful. However when you want to restrict a certain group of people from doing something that involves their own personal life- due to how you feel religiously on the issue, thus afraid to be in favor of it- this is what makes you look ridiculous, and wrong- as it s not original conservatism, or Republicanism.

Sarah Palin doesn't agree with gay marriage, or anything that has to do with changing the definition of marriage. Yet she was ok with not restricting gay couples from receiving benefits from their partner. This does not mean she supports gay marriage or homosexuality. It means she supports the views of liberty the founding father had, the original views of the Republican party Lincoln had,(based on classic Liberalism), and the true meaning of conservatism, not Nixion's 1950's conservatism.

Quote from: taxed on December 13, 2012, 11:51:42 PMYou need to do a better job figuring out who "hates gays", and who just disagrees with them.  Just because someone is religious and doesn't agree with the gay lifestyle isn't a reason for me to have a problem with them.  Sorry.

I'm starting to really believe you were dropped on your head or something as a baby... You appear quite slow to comprehend simple things... You need to do a better job at reading, and taking the time to fully grasp and understand what is being said, especially when it has to be repeated numerous times, because you aren't getting it. I know children more intelligent and wise than what you're displaying- very sad.

I never accused anyone of hating anyone- except gays who can't stand gay culture, and the gays who live and promote gay culture, who can't stand that not all gays are left-wing god hating freaks.

I'm a Christian, and don't agree with gay marriage- I don't know how many times I've said that already. There are also gays who don't agree with gay marriage- either due to religious views, and Jesus as we know said marriage is between one man, one woman. Or the fact that they don't even like the word marriage used between same sex couples, because they feel its trying to emulate heterosexual couples, and they think this is wrong to do, and therefore don't do it.

However what I did say, is that it is wrong for a politician to govern with faith in mind, meaning... "Since I don't believe in gay marriage, I'm going to deny a same sex couple from receiving benefits from their partner". This is wrong. This is unfortunately the position of many within the Republican party- who are more concerned with appeasing the religious right voters, than they are with being a leader for all Americans, sticking to the principles of true conservatism, and what the Republican party stood for. These politicians are stuck in Nixion's 1950's conservatism, and the joining of the Christian coalition and the Republican party after the Democrats did it, and won because of it.  Disagree with homosexuality and gay marriage all you wish, its ok- but stay out of the lives of those who wish to have a union and be entitled to the benefits that come with a union- its not for anyone to be concerned with... And unfortunately there are politicians who just can't.

Quote from: taxed on December 13, 2012, 11:51:42 PMIt boils down to gays, overall, behave like hormonal women.  Show me a gay person, and I'll show you a drama queen.

Aww let me guess, you were trying to make a funny.. LOL Show me a right-winger, and I'll show you a brainless twat, who thinks he's different from a left-winger lol.

Quote from: Paladin on December 14, 2012, 11:38:40 PM
You're not making any points though, just going on about irrational emotions, based in ignorance. Its ok if you don't agree with gay marriage, or even homosexuality. But I see a lot of people lumping ALL homosexuals in the same category, and just saying things that continue to hurt conservatism, and the Republican party- so the behavior of people towards the party, and conservatism, isn't very surprising to me.

And that's nice you cleared up the whole thing about men baby sitting... Though I'm not sure why you even thought that was important to talk about.

Talking about men and baby sitting wasn't important. It certainly was effective at revealing your own prejudice though. By default, you went to, "Men that want to baby sit children, must be child molesters". It's a prejudice that most of us share, but a prejudiced position, nonetheless.

So you are against civil unions? If it has to be marriage or bust, it seems to me that it's the left that wants to keep the fight alive.
Bear in mind, this is the same left that has been degrading marriage, since the late 60s. Remember?
Marriage is a ball and chain.
Marriage is outdated and no longer necessary.
We don't need a stupid piece of paper to prove that we love each other.
Marriage was invented by men, to force women into submission.

This work has paid off. The left has been wildly successful in destroying the traditional nuclear family. Now we live in the wonderful world of having kids screwing like rabbits by the time they are 14, abortions on demand, and many of them becoming adults that are hollow, empty and lack any purpose whatsoever.

Now we've got the schizophrenic left telling us that marriage is a right for homosexuals, and that the selfish heterosexuals are hoarding this wonderful and loving institution for themselves. You like to lump conservatives together, and yet the positions from the left are both laughable, and often times, conflicting. To expect a coherent response from conservatives, when the message from the left is, "Marriage is old fashioned and it sucks. And we demand that homosexuals are allowed to do it", is a farce. The left wants new laws passed, and can't even make up their minds what it is they want.

For 40 years or more, the left has been dead set on destroying one institution after another, and we've got a society that reflects the results of that hard work.....................and yet the work is not done.
Any mention of God is now offensive. For a kid to wear a shirt with the American flag on it to school, is a suspendable offense. Pride in our military is now gay pride.

When conservative make any attempt to slow or stop this "progress", we are called bigots and haters. Since the left seems incapable of seeing the damage that they are doing, just how in the hell would you suggest that we act?

I'm a pretty damned tolerant person, and I am not one of these conservatives that wants to see the country run by religious caliphate. But this shit is getting old. This is a two way street, and I have to insist that I am also allowed to live my life the way I see fit, and not be coerced into accepting a morality that I don't agree with.

Civil unions/partnerships for gays? Sure thing. Don't push the envelope, and we'll get along fine.