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On Green Energy
« on: March 29, 2017, 01:34:07 PM »
Well the topic Solar chose was why is Green energy a better source of energy then the alternatives?  It would be helpful if he specified on what he considered green energy, but I'll go by the standard assumptions.

The most obvious reason green energy is a preferable alternative is due to climate change.  For three years straight the Pentagon has listed climate change as the greatest threat to our survival.  (1)  The department of defense agreed saying, "the Defense Department already is observing the impacts of climate change in shocks and stressors to vulnerable nations and communities, including in the United States, the Arctic, the Middle East, Africa, Asia and South America, officials said.(2)  And in 2014, again from the DOD, "“We are almost done with a baseline survey to assess the vulnerability of our military’s more than 7,000 bases, installations, and other facilities. In places like the Hampton Roads region in Virginia, which houses the largest concentration of US military sites in the world, we see recurrent flooding today, and we are beginning work to address a projected sea-level rise of 1.5 feet over the next 20 to 50 years."  This is of course a small sampling.  The British Military concurs.(4)  As does the entire European Union, as they released a report saying, "climate change – both in Europe and the rest of the world – was continuing, with "climate-related extremes" such as droughts, heatwaves and heavy precipitation increasing in both intensity and frequency across "many regions.'(5)  A report by the Israeli government also agrees, "The impacts of climate change are evident across the globe," warning it threatens the very survival of Israel.(6)The Japanese government as well is taking strong steps and firmly believes climate change threatens their existence.(7)Even China.(8)  When weighing all of these believers in climate change we should offer the alternative side.  Namely, President Trump believes it is a chinese hoax.


Between 90 to 100% of climate scientists believe that climate change is real and caused by human action according to a new peer reviewed study.  No no no.  Not the old one to which I know you have a response for.  This is a new tighter, peer-reviewed study.(9)  However, we still must acknowledge Trump's argument that it is a Chinese hoax. This study has since been replicated six times with the same figures, between 90-100%.(10)  While a commonly psychotic argument is made that such studies are fraudulently done, which would mean but scientists, and all militarizes around the world for grant money, there is of course as much grant money as disproving climate change as not.  The incentive to lie about the climate is much higher for actual oil companies, etc, who make billions off it, not a professor getting a pathetic grant.  Even Exxon Mobil now believes in climate change.(11) "Scientists have concluded that most of the observed warming is very likely due to the burning of coal, oil, and gas," according to one study.(12) As does a study by NASA, who also believes in climate change.(13) A 70th study here.(14)Another.(15)Another.(16)  One can literally go on and on and on and on and on.  New documents released show Exon knew about climate change for 30 years.(17)Oh and the last three years were the hottest three years on record, defeating each other one after the other.(18)  Oh and anyone who experiences weather over a 25 year span knows full well it has changed.  Even for the remaining skeptic who thinks himself smarter then the rest of the world, it would certainly make sense to err on the side of caution when the planet is at stake, no?  Not to mention fossil fuels, aside from climate change, cause sicknesses, cancer, asthma, etc. (19)

The other main reason to favor green energy is to reduce our dies with child raping tyrants like that in Saudi Arabia.  There for 50 years, we have given money to brutal dictators who kill innocent people and enslave women.  The saudis ideologically are the same as ISIS, fund fundamentalist ideology everywhere,   and make the Iranians look like saints. We wont have to give chemical and biolgical weapons to tyrants like Sadaam Hussein while he kills his own people.  We dont have to treat the middle east like an imperial playground. We could close up shop our 100 military bases in the region, stop supporting monsters and fighting war after war and instead focus on things that matter.  Border protection, education, etc.

Green energy is growing everywhere.  The business opportunities will go to who acts the fastest.(20)  To deny climate change is to openly accept ignorance.  By failing to fully act on climate change the US may go down as the worst country in the history of earth.  What worse way to illegal enter anothers borders then to destroy the earth they live in?  How dare we threaten the earth?  If the US refuses to acknowledge climate change then I hope for the future of man, that one day, our country collapses.  No greater justice would ever happen!






Sourcesc

1.http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/7/pentagon-orders-commanders-to-prioritize-climate-c/
2.https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/612710
3.http://www.newsweek.com/pentagon-report-us-military-considers-climate-change-immediate-threat-could-277155
4.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/defence-and-security-blog/2013/jul/08/army-conflict-climate-change
5.http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/25/europe-warns-on-climate-change-as-trump-administration-starts-to-roll-back-us-policies.html
6.http://www.sviva.gov.il/InfoServices/ReservoirInfo/DocLib2/Publications/P0701-P0800/P0739.pdf
7. http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/07/30/commentary/japan-commentary/japans-action-plan-to-fight-climate-change/
8.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/29/world/asia/trump-climate-change-paris-china.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=C950F0F631E1807EAC77621F45315071&gwt=pay
9.http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002/pdf
10.ibid
11. http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/current-issues/climate-policy/climate-perspectives/our-position
12.http://www.nwf.org/wildlife/threats-to-wildlife/global-warming/global-warming-is-human-caused.aspx
13.https://climate.nasa.gov/causes/
14. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/global-warming-causes/
15.https://phys.org/news/2017-03-deadly-climate.html
16.https://asunow.asu.edu/20170327-arizona-impact-asu-study-shows-effect-climate-change-food-energy-and-water-across-southwest
17.https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
18.http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=18751
19.https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/graphic-science-health-care-burden-of-fossil-fuels/
20.https://www.forbes.com/sites/nishthachugh/2017/01/31/trump-cant-stop-renewables-energy-growth-at-home-or-abroad/#79dfab9323a9
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Re: On Green Energy: Only For Solar and Myself
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2017, 02:05:25 PM »
Man-made global warming is a fraud.  Why do you fall for scams so easily?

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Re: On Green Energy: Only For Solar and Myself
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2017, 02:09:25 PM »
Man-made global warming is a fraud.  Why do you fall for scams so easily?
Easily?  Come on I am falling for like virtually every scientist on earth, every military on earth, my own eyes, thermometers, oil companies.  I am just as gullible as everyone else! 


Guy thinks he can refute an article with 20 sources in one sentence lol.  Go ahead, go into each an argue the science!

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Re: On Green Energy: Only For Solar and Myself
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2017, 02:17:31 PM »
Easily?  Come on I am falling for like virtually every scientist on earth, every military on earth, my own eyes, thermometers, oil companies.  I am just as gullible as everyone else! 
That's a lie as well.  You will believe anything it seems like.

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Guy thinks he can refute an article with 20 sources in one sentence lol.  Go ahead, go into each an argue the science!
There is no science in those articles.  Like I used to tell you people in the 1990s, no, we won't be under water by the year 2000.  Yet, you guys gobbled it up and kept believing it for decades.  Smart people don't grasp onto lies and believe scams.

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Re: On Green Energy: Only For Solar and Myself
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2017, 02:28:34 PM »
That's a lie as well.  You will believe anything it seems like.
There is no science in those articles.  Like I used to tell you people in the 1990s, no, we won't be under water by the year 2000.  Yet, you guys gobbled it up and kept believing it for decades.  Smart people don't grasp onto lies and believe scams.

Thats not an argument.  Nothing you made was an argument.  There is loads of science in that article.  Including studies replicated that produce the same results.

You mock what you dont understand.

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Re: On Green Energy: Only For Solar and Myself
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2017, 02:32:07 PM »
Thats not an argument.  Nothing you made was an argument.  There is loads of science in that article.  Including studies replicated that produce the same results.
No there isn't.  We're not under water, no matter how much you want to believe it to be so.

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You mock what you dont understand.
You didn't post any science.  That's why you have to manipulate climate data and try to pull off scams.  For example, CO2 isn't a pollutant, no matter how much you want to believe it is.  Why is that?

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Re: On Green Energy: Only For Solar and Myself
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2017, 02:34:49 PM »
Easily?  Come on I am falling for like virtually every scientist on earth, every military on earth, my own eyes, thermometers, oil companies.  I am just as gullible as everyone else! 


Guy thinks he can refute an article with 20 sources in one sentence lol.  Go ahead, go into each an argue the science!

Ok....I invite you to watch a short you tube video that I think you will thoroughly enjoy; I know I did.  I've watched it several times.  It's an exchange between Senator Ted Cruz and the Sierra Club.

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Re: On Green Energy
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2017, 02:36:58 PM »
Blake ... one thing is for certain ... right now you're entertaining.   I'm not sure how much entertainment, I'll be able to handle.   :popcorn:
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Re: On Green Energy
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2017, 02:38:03 PM »
Blake ... one thing is for certain ... right now you're entertaining.   I'm not sure how much entertainment, I'll be able to handle.   :popcorn:

Blake isn't good at debating, because he falls for scams.  What him become disassembled, and eventually have a melt down (they all do).

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Re: On Green Energy
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2017, 03:12:41 PM »
Blake isn't good at debating, because he falls for scams.  What him become disassembled, and eventually have a melt down (they all do).

Ya, but there should come a point in time in one's life when you begin to realize that what you have experienced in life and witness what's going on in your surroundings isn't jiving with what you're being told.  It's sort of like realizing that there really isn't a tooth fairy or an Easter Bunny.
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Re: On Green Energy
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2017, 03:16:58 PM »
Blake isn't good at debating, because he falls for scams.  What him become disassembled, and eventually have a melt down (they all do).

Next thing ya know he'll be telling us about investing in Bitcoins.
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Re: On Green Energy: Only For Solar and Myself
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2017, 03:17:15 PM »
That's a lie as well.  You will believe anything it seems like.
There is no science in those articles.  Like I used to tell you people in the 1990s, no, we won't be under water by the year 2000.  Yet, you guys gobbled it up and kept believing it for decades.  Smart people don't grasp onto lies and believe scams.
Bsahahhahaha.  Yeah the Japanese government, US pentagon and the China, scientists, and NASA are all in collusion.


Read the study on climate scientists.  Right up there.  6 separate studies done reproduced the same results.  Yeah they are all liars but some random guy on a message board who cant even interpret a peer reviewed study is correct.  Even the CEO of exxon Mobil is in on the scam.


Bahahahhahahahahahahaha.  Bahahahahahahha.

Oh and the fact the last three years are the hottest on record is just a lucky coincidence for the scammers.   Bhahahahhahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Re: On Green Energy
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2017, 03:17:37 PM »
Well the topic Solar chose was why is Green energy a better source of energy then the alternatives?  It would be helpful if he specified on what he considered green energy, but I'll go by the standard assumptions.

The most obvious reason green energy is a preferable alternative is due to climate change.  For three years straight the Pentagon has listed climate change as the greatest threat to our survival.  (1)  The department of defense agreed saying, "the Defense Department already is observing the impacts of climate change in shocks and stressors to vulnerable nations and communities, including in the United States, the Arctic, the Middle East, Africa, Asia and South America, officials said.(2)  And in 2014, again from the DOD, "“We are almost done with a baseline survey to assess the vulnerability of our military’s more than 7,000 bases, installations, and other facilities. In places like the Hampton Roads region in Virginia, which houses the largest concentration of US military sites in the world, we see recurrent flooding today, and we are beginning work to address a projected sea-level rise of 1.5 feet over the next 20 to 50 years."  This is of course a small sampling.  The British Military concurs.(4)  As does the entire European Union, as they released a report saying, "climate change – both in Europe and the rest of the world – was continuing, with "climate-related extremes" such as droughts, heatwaves and heavy precipitation increasing in both intensity and frequency across "many regions.'(5)  A report by the Israeli government also agrees, "The impacts of climate change are evident across the globe," warning it threatens the very survival of Israel.(6)The Japanese government as well is taking strong steps and firmly believes climate change threatens their existence.(7)Even China.(8)  When weighing all of these believers in climate change we should offer the alternative side.  Namely, President Trump believes it is a chinese hoax.


Between 90 to 100% of climate scientists believe that climate change is real and caused by human action according to a new peer reviewed study.  No no no.  Not the old one to which I know you have a response for.  This is a new tighter, peer-reviewed study.(9)  However, we still must acknowledge Trump's argument that it is a Chinese hoax. This study has since been replicated six times with the same figures, between 90-100%.(10)  While a commonly psychotic argument is made that such studies are fraudulently done, which would mean but scientists, and all militarizes around the world for grant money, there is of course as much grant money as disproving climate change as not.  The incentive to lie about the climate is much higher for actual oil companies, etc, who make billions off it, not a professor getting a pathetic grant.  Even Exxon Mobil now believes in climate change.(11) "Scientists have concluded that most of the observed warming is very likely due to the burning of coal, oil, and gas," according to one study.(12) As does a study by NASA, who also believes in climate change.(13) A 70th study here.(14)Another.(15)Another.(16)  One can literally go on and on and on and on and on.  New documents released show Exon knew about climate change for 30 years.(17)Oh and the last three years were the hottest three years on record, defeating each other one after the other.(18)  Oh and anyone who experiences weather over a 25 year span knows full well it has changed.  Even for the remaining skeptic who thinks himself smarter then the rest of the world, it would certainly make sense to err on the side of caution when the planet is at stake, no?  Not to mention fossil fuels, aside from climate change, cause sicknesses, cancer, asthma, etc. (19)

The other main reason to favor green energy is to reduce our dies with child raping tyrants like that in Saudi Arabia.  There for 50 years, we have given money to brutal dictators who kill innocent people and enslave women.  The saudis ideologically are the same as ISIS, fund fundamentalist ideology everywhere,   and make the Iranians look like saints. We wont have to give chemical and biolgical weapons to tyrants like Sadaam Hussein while he kills his own people.  We dont have to treat the middle east like an imperial playground. We could close up shop our 100 military bases in the region, stop supporting monsters and fighting war after war and instead focus on things that matter.  Border protection, education, etc.

Green energy is growing everywhere.  The business opportunities will go to who acts the fastest.(20)  To deny climate change is to openly accept ignorance.  By failing to fully act on climate change the US may go down as the worst country in the history of earth.  What worse way to illegal enter anothers borders then to destroy the earth they live in?  How dare we threaten the earth?  If the US refuses to acknowledge climate change then I hope for the future of man, that one day, our country collapses.  No greater justice would ever happen!






Sourcesc

1.http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/7/pentagon-orders-commanders-to-prioritize-climate-c/
2.https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/612710
3.http://www.newsweek.com/pentagon-report-us-military-considers-climate-change-immediate-threat-could-277155
4.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/defence-and-security-blog/2013/jul/08/army-conflict-climate-change
5.http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/25/europe-warns-on-climate-change-as-trump-administration-starts-to-roll-back-us-policies.html
6.http://www.sviva.gov.il/InfoServices/ReservoirInfo/DocLib2/Publications/P0701-P0800/P0739.pdf
7. http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/07/30/commentary/japan-commentary/japans-action-plan-to-fight-climate-change/
8.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/29/world/asia/trump-climate-change-paris-china.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=C950F0F631E1807EAC77621F45315071&gwt=pay
9.http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002/pdf
10.ibid
11. http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/current-issues/climate-policy/climate-perspectives/our-position
12.http://www.nwf.org/wildlife/threats-to-wildlife/global-warming/global-warming-is-human-caused.aspx
13.https://climate.nasa.gov/causes/
14. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/global-warming-causes/
15.https://phys.org/news/2017-03-deadly-climate.html
16.https://asunow.asu.edu/20170327-arizona-impact-asu-study-shows-effect-climate-change-food-energy-and-water-across-southwest
17.https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
18.http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=18751
19.https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/graphic-science-health-care-burden-of-fossil-fuels/
20.https://www.forbes.com/sites/nishthachugh/2017/01/31/trump-cant-stop-renewables-energy-growth-at-home-or-abroad/#79dfab9323a9





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Re: On Green Energy
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2017, 03:26:09 PM »
Ya, but there should come a point in time in one's life when you begin to realize that what you have experienced in life and witness what's going on in your surroundings isn't jiving with what you're being told.  It's sort of like realizing that there really isn't a tooth fairy or an Easter Bunny.

One would hope, but this kid needs to get past unicorns before we break the news about Santa Claus...


 

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