Newly released documents reveal Obama changed FISA rules to allow foreign governments access to FISA info on US citizens and spy on such individuals and their contacts which avoids Constitutional protections, since foreign governments are not bound by out Constitutional requirements, which safeguards individual rights. This set the stage for the spying on all GOP candidates and eventually the nominee, whoever that was, so they cook cook up their hoax.

Obama is currently in Germany having a top level meeting with Angela Merkel.  This story about the Foreign FISA spying connection broke three days ago.  Coincidence?

Worth Watching..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOxLaZ5nW8

Five Eyes. How is it we're only just now hearing about this, again, what happened?
I say this, because I remember when he changed the rules, and the media played it off as nothing, but all of a sudden this is making news. So what is Trump up to?

We've heard all this shit about Christopher Steele "an ex spy" but Spies all over the world were enlisted by Obama to spy on members of the Trump campaign.  Brennen & Clapper and his spooks could create what they needed to salt the mine and make targets like Popadopolis and Carter Page look suspicious to Five Eyes members.  The FBI even recruited Russians to meet with such individuals so they knew that Five Eyes Intelligence would report such meetings through official channels.  Such foreign intelligence services were either in on it (like Christopher Steele) or duped into believing that our FBI and Intelligence services were working a real case and not being used to set up a political opponent.  Time will tell.

This video's a goody...Worth watching!  Stay tuned!   

Quote from: wally on April 07, 2019, 06:13:16 AM
We've heard all this shit about Christopher Steele "an ex spy" but Spies all over the world were enlisted by Obama to spy on members of the Trump campaign.  Brennen & Clapper and his spooks could create what they needed to salt the mine and make targets like Popadopolis and Carter Page look suspicious to Five Eyes members.  The FBI even recruited Russians to meet with such individuals so they knew that Five Eyes Intelligence would report such meetings through official channels.  Such foreign intelligence services were either in on it (like Christopher Steele) or duped into believing that our FBI and Intelligence services were working a real case and not being used to set up a political opponent.  Time will tell.

This video's a goody...Worth watching!  Stay tuned! 

Yes, we know all that, but my point is what is Trump up to, that suddenly this is getting attention again? There is more here than meets the eye, Trump is setting something up.

Quote from: Solar on April 07, 2019, 06:20:21 AM
Yes, we know all that, but my point is what is Trump up to, that suddenly this is getting attention again? There is more here than meets the eye, Trump is setting something up.

The Black Conservative Patriot (video) addresses this very issue.  He posts a series of Trump's tweets and puts them together with what is going on.  Trump couldn't do anything until the Mueller report cleared him.  Now the focus has shifted to prosecutions.  If criminal prosecutions are conducted professionally, the public knows nothing about what is going on, including Grand Juries which may be looking at evidence of individuals who have committed crimes.  Often, in Federal RICO cases, many people are indicted by the Grand Jury, but those indictments are sealed until each and every individual case has been brought to the Grand Jury.

Think about how the FBI goes out and brings in the whole nest of mobsters including both the little fish and the crime bosses.  No one knows anything about it until the day of the mass arrests.  Thinks about how Rudi Guiliano cut his teeth as a young US Attorney taking down the mob in New York!

Quote from: wally on April 07, 2019, 06:37:40 AM
The Black Conservative Patriot (video) addresses this very issue.  He posts a series of Trump's tweets and puts them together with what is going on. Trump couldn't do anything until the Mueller report cleared him.  Now the focus has shifted to prosecutions.  If criminal prosecutions are conducted professionally, the public knows nothing about what is going on, including Grand Juries which may be looking at evidence of individuals who have committed crimes.  Often, in Federal RICO cases, many people are indicted by the Grand Jury, but those indictments are sealed until each and every individual case has been brought to the Grand Jury.

Think about how the FBI goes out and brings in the whole nest of mobsters including both the little fish and the crime bosses.  No one knows anything about it until the day of the mass arrests.  Thinks about how Rudi Guiliano cut his teeth as a young US Attorney taking down the mob in New York!

I think that nailed it. Time is on Trump's side, I get frustrated looking at the two years that have gone by, but look at how much Trump did in those two years, and there is six more years to go.  And to think two years ago I would have been satisfied if he just didn't screw things up.

Quote from: wally on April 07, 2019, 06:37:40 AM
The Black Conservative Patriot (video) addresses this very issue.  He posts a series of Trump's tweets and puts them together with what is going on.  Trump couldn't do anything until the Mueller report cleared him.  Now the focus has shifted to prosecutions.  If criminal prosecutions are conducted professionally, the public knows nothing about what is going on, including Grand Juries which may be looking at evidence of individuals who have committed crimes.  Often, in Federal RICO cases, many people are indicted by the Grand Jury, but those indictments are sealed until each and every individual case has been brought to the Grand Jury.

Think about how the FBI goes out and brings in the whole nest of mobsters including both the little fish and the crime bosses.  No one knows anything about it until the day of the mass arrests.  Thinks about how Rudi Guiliano cut his teeth as a young US Attorney taking down the mob in New York!

Yes, I know all that but again, it's all about timing. I guess my question is more rhetorical in nature, as to "Why Now", meaning he has something up his sleeve and is about to drop a bombshell on the public, not within a week, no, we're going to see more of this so he can set the narrative.
Trump is smart and plans well, this is going to be huge.

Quote from: Solar on April 07, 2019, 07:22:09 AM
Yes, I know all that but again, it's all about timing. I guess my question is more rhetorical in nature, as to "Why Now", meaning he has something up his sleeve and is about to drop a bombshell on the public, not within a week, no, we're going to see more of this so he can set the narrative.
Trump is smart and plans well, this is going to be huge.

Solar, your comments remind me of my favorite fishing prayer;  " God grant me patience; But Hurry Up! "

We don't have to do a thing, but watch and wait and trust both our President and the thousands of patriotic men and women who are on the job and who did not engage in the attempted coup.  They've got this!   

Quote from: wally on April 07, 2019, 07:45:21 AM
Solar, your comments remind me of my favorite fishing prayer;  " God grant me patience; But Hurry Up! "

I know exactly what you mean. I see to many on the Right acting as if we're running out of time, but they just don't understand the process of law. We have to follow through on process, because if we don't, the left will be able to appeal and all our efforts will be for not.

QuoteWe don't have to do a thing, but watch and wait and trust both our President and the thousands of patriotic men and women who are on the job and who did not engage in the attempted coup.  They've got this!   

I know, all this winning is making me hungry. I'll be 300lbs at this rate.

Quote from: Solar on April 07, 2019, 09:17:44 AM


I know exactly what you mean. I see to many on the Right acting as if we're running out of time, but they just don't understand the process of law. We have to follow through on process, because if we don't, the left will be able to appeal and all our efforts will be for not.

Politics ideally has no influence on the justice system's criminal investigations and prosecutions.

Ah, but!!!!   Wouldn't it be neat if the mass arrests occur sometime a year from now and we go into the midterm with the public trials of Obama Officials and other Democrats!

Just sayun! 

(if it takes that long though probably it would be a good investment to buy stock in whoever manufactures adult size Depends...there will those who are pissing their pants in sheer fear while others probably just won't be able to hold on..any...longer... )

Quote from: wally on April 07, 2019, 09:26:18 AM
Politics ideally has no influence on the justice system's criminal investigations and prosecutions.

Ah, but!!!!   Wouldn't it be neat if the mass arrests occur sometime a year from now and we go into the midterm with the public trials of Obama Officials and other Democrats!

Just sayun! 

(if it takes that long though probably it would be a good investment to buy stock in whoever manufactures adult size Depends...there will those who are pissing their pants in sheer fear while others probably just won't be able to hold on..any...longer... )

I have been trying to figure out the timeline of events when the convictions begin, and that would be the perfect time for it to start.
What libs don't get, is when these people go to trial, they'll be naming names and eventually the big picture will begin to reveal itself.
I've no doubt Trump is doing his best to time all of this right, and boy, will it be quite a show.

Quote from: Solar on April 07, 2019, 09:41:55 AM

I have been trying to figure out the timeline of events when the convictions begin, and that would be the perfect time for it to start.
What libs don't get, is when these people go to trial, they'll be naming names and eventually the big picture will begin to reveal itself.
I've no doubt Trump is doing his best to time all of this right, and boy, will it be quite a show.

I remember back when the GOP members were attempting to make a deal with Lois Lerner.  Way back then, I recall Trey Gowdy being on tv and expressing his frustration between how the political process worked as opposed to the criminal justice system.  Gowdy reminded me of what I knew.  You make a deal with them after they have plead guilty and you offer to tell the Judge about your cooperation and although you can't promise what the judge will do, you can recommend for a lenient sentence.  When you make a deal pre-plea, then the person has no reason to fully and completely give you everything you want.  (When you go them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.

Quote from: wally on April 07, 2019, 10:00:07 AM
I remember back when the GOP members were attempting to make a deal with Lois Lerner.  Way back then, I recall Trey Gowdy being on tv and expressing his frustration between how the political process worked as opposed to the criminal justice system.  Gowdy reminded me of what I knew.  You make a deal with them after they have plead guilty and you offer to tell the Judge about your cooperation and although you can't promise what the judge will do, you can recommend for a lenient sentence.  When you make a deal pre-plea, then the person has no reason to fully and completely give you everything you want.  (When you go them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.

Yeah, I remember the frustration during that time and watching the GOP pull the behind the scene strings, assuring she wouldn't out them. That's why she got off so lightly.
The GOP was in cahoots with the DNC in attacking TEA, the GOP knew we were and still are a force to reckon with.

Quote from: Solar on April 07, 2019, 10:07:39 AM
Yeah, I remember the frustration during that time and watching the GOP pull the behind the scene strings, assuring she wouldn't out them. That's why she got off so lightly.
The GOP was in cahoots with the DNC in attacking TEA, the GOP knew we were and still are a force to reckon with.

She's gotten away with nothing...yet.  Justice delayed is justice denied, but this delay isn't going to keep her from the hangman's noose anymore than those involved in Benghazi and Uranium One.  (Gee, I wonder if Mueller can get Weissman to represent him?)

Quote from: wally on April 07, 2019, 10:15:45 AM
She's gotten away with nothing...yet.  Justice delayed is justice denied, but this delay isn't going to keep her from the hangman's noose anymore than those involved in Benghazi and Uranium One.  (Gee, I wonder if Mueller can get Weissman to represent him?)

I hope you're Right, but she plead the Fifth and ended her trial, you can't convict someone of the same charge twice. That is, unless new evidence surfaces that implicates her in a different crime.