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Re: Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2013, 08:29:32 PM »
See now, though, that's not what you said. You said that the President appointed him. He didn't have that authority, technically, if you want to say anyone appointed him, he would have appointed himself, because the department of treasury owns the 61%, not the President. He didn't though, he was confirmed by the board. And if that vote was made under duress, do you really think that story wouldn't have gotten out by now?

I only go but what I find. When Akerson and GM and Obama are searched the resulting articles claim he was appointed by Obama...


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Re: Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2013, 08:30:51 PM »
Lol, you can't say stuff like "the green sector is controlled by the federal government" and be taken seriously. The federal government doesn't control supply and demand. It doesn't decide that one product is better then another, and force people to buy the product they support. Yes, they obviously have a large influence, but in no way does the federal government have "control" over any industry.
They absolutely control the green sector.  To say otherwise makes you look very foolish, young man.

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As far as an alternative energy source that is about to be viable, yes, flexible solar cells. It has a very good chance of become an incredibly viable, and inexpensive source of alternative energy. Whether or not the energy industry will embrace the technology, and agree to integrate in to the existing market, will be a large determining factor over it's success. I can tell you for sure, that it won't be up to the federal government whether or not it's successful.
No, it isn't viable.
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Re: Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2013, 08:50:09 PM »
I only go but what I find. When Akerson and GM and Obama are searched the resulting articles claim he was appointed by Obama...

Hmmm, very interesting. I googled Akerson GM Obama, and not one result came up stating he was appointed. I wonder if Google is just fucking with us, lol

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Re: Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2013, 08:56:36 PM »
Hmmm, very interesting. I googled Akerson GM Obama, and not one result came up stating he was appointed. I wonder if Google is just fucking with us, lol


He was appointed to the board by the government, and then moved into the CEO position.

Kindly get up to speed on what you discuss.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/a/daniel_f_akerson/index.html
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Re: Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2013, 09:01:53 PM »
He was appointed to the board by the government, and then moved into the CEO position.

Kindly get up to speed on what you discuss.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/a/daniel_f_akerson/index.html


He was appointed to the board, because he Secretary of the Treasury, because the Treasury owned 61% of company after the bailout. Kindly get your facts straight before you sound like a moron.

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Re: Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2013, 09:08:07 PM »
Lol, you can't say stuff like "the green sector is controlled by the federal government" and be taken seriously. The federal government doesn't control supply and demand. It doesn't decide that one product is better then another, and force people to buy the product they support. Yes, they obviously have a large influence, but in no way does the federal government have "control" over any industry.



How can you be taken seriously when you ignore the fact that the Govt
is trying to eleminate traditional forms of energy through regulation and control ala the coal/natural gas/oil industry using the hammer of the EPA
and Dept of interior/BLM.

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Re: Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2013, 09:10:37 PM »
He was appointed to the board, because he Secretary of the Treasury, because the Treasury owned 61% of company after the bailout. Kindly get your facts straight before you sound like a moron.


No. He was appointed to the board by the Feds because he represents the Union interests.  He was installed by Obama's task force.

http://nlpc.org/stories/2012/06/12/akerson-admits-gm-bankruptcy-not-well-thought-out
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Re: Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2013, 09:19:31 PM »
How can you be taken seriously when you ignore the fact that the Govt
is trying to eleminate traditional forms of energy through regulation and control ala the coal/natural gas/oil industry using the hammer of the EPA
and Dept of interior/BLM.

Billy

Alright, I'm happy to bite on this one. So, the government is not trying to eliminate traditional forms of energy, the environment is. The fact is that coal, gas and oil will run out, and we will have a much more serious problem then debating the merits of green energy. Also, the point of the EPA is not destroy traditional energy. It's to make sure that we aren't destroying the entire planet and causing health problems for future generations. Does the EPA need work, absolutely, as do most departments in our current government. I'm not saying these things are perfect by any stretch! Our government needs a serious overhaul in the way we do business. However, eliminating everything is not the answer, from my perspective. If we could have an honest discussion about efficiency and structure, rather then lobbing accusation and yelling at each other, we might be able to figure out a way to correct the course of the organizations.

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Re: Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2013, 09:24:32 PM »
Alright, I'm happy to bite on this one. So, the government is not trying to eliminate traditional forms of energy, the environment is. The fact is that coal, gas and oil will run out, and we will have a much more serious problem then debating the merits of green energy. Also, the point of the EPA is not destroy traditional energy. It's to make sure that we aren't destroying the entire planet and causing health problems for future generations. Does the EPA need work, absolutely, as do most departments in our current government. I'm not saying these things are perfect by any stretch! Our government needs a serious overhaul in the way we do business. However, eliminating everything is not the answer, from my perspective. If we could have an honest discussion about efficiency and structure, rather then lobbing accusation and yelling at each other, we might be able to figure out a way to correct the course of the organizations.

We are not running out of natural resources.  That is unfounded liberal propaganda.
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Re: Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2013, 10:03:19 PM »
Alright, I'm happy to bite on this one. So, the government is not trying to eliminate traditional forms of energy, the environment is. The fact is that coal, gas and oil will run out, and we will have a much more serious problem then debating the merits of green energy. Also, the point of the EPA is not destroy traditional energy. It's to make sure that we aren't destroying the entire planet and causing health problems for future generations. Does the EPA need work, absolutely, as do most departments in our current government. I'm not saying these things are perfect by any stretch! Our government needs a serious overhaul in the way we do business. However, eliminating everything is not the answer, from my perspective. If we could have an honest discussion about efficiency and structure, rather then lobbing accusation and yelling at each other, we might be able to figure out a way to correct the course of the organizations.


You are NOT seeing the forest for the trees.

In another post I said we have enough COAL to last 200 years, enough to run every power plant in the United States for 200 years, PLUS sell to other countries like China and make them dance around like characters in one of their street operas.

We have more gas in places like the Dakota's than there is in Saudi Arabia. We have huge reserves of oil on GOVERNMENT LAND that no one is allowed to harvest.

It would be easy to form alliances with freindly nations like Canada and Mexico, Norway and GB and concoct some organization like  NOPEC to sink our greatest economic foe... OPEC....but no, the powers that be dangle "green" in front of us knowing that such technology is decades away....in the mean time America is being driven into the dirt and our best and brightest young men and women are glorified security guards for dirt worshiping heathens in the middle east.

While it is true that we will run out of these resources, we need to take advantage of them NOW while the far off technology catches up. What the Govt is doing is trying to put these industries out of business plain and simple. And it is not our imagination, Steven Chu, Obamao's man in the energy dept said as much.

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Re: Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure
« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2013, 10:20:01 PM »

You are NOT seeing the forest for the trees.

In another post I said we have enough COAL to last 200 years, enough to run every power plant in the United States for 200 years, PLUS sell to other countries like China and make them dance around like characters in one of their street operas.

We have more gas in places like the Dakota's than there is in Saudi Arabia. We have huge reserves of oil on GOVERNMENT LAND that no one is allowed to harvest.

It would be easy to form alliances with freindly nations like Canada and Mexico, Norway and GB and concoct some organization like  NOPEC to sink our greatest economic foe... OPEC....but no, the powers that be dangle "green" in front of us knowing that such technology is decades away....in the mean time America is being driven into the dirt and our best and brightest young men and women are glorified security guards for dirt worshiping heathens in the middle east.

While it is true that we will run out of these resources, we need to take advantage of them NOW while the far off technology catches up. What the Govt is doing is trying to put these industries out of business plain and simple. And it is not our imagination, Steven Chu, Obamao's man in the energy dept said as much.

Billy

I personally feel different about where we are with the technology to harness eco-friendly energy technology. That's fine though, it's an argument based on science which I do not want to argue about in this setting. What I would ask you, is whether or not you think there is merit to the idea that maybe the energy industry is the one propagating, saying that the technology isn't ready?

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Re: Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure
« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2013, 10:26:58 PM »
Certainly we must develop renewable or tap into effectively unlimited sources.

My problem with the way it is being approached is that no one is investigating the consequences of re-arranging the energy distribution in nature.

One can not simply "take from here" and "put there" without unbalancing the system of things.  This is a lesson we supposedly learned in the process of developing our current energy conversions, transportation, and storage infrastructures.

What happens when we capture, move, store, and eventually release (use) a total of 15 terawatts (1.504×10^13 W) a year ?  The material and environmental costs, and the consequences of action may well be far far more expensive and deleterious to the Earth and its Life than what we have now.

Untill we can answer these questions I can not support any profound push in this "Green" BS.

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Re: Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure
« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2013, 10:31:26 PM »
First before I answer i want you to know that I have built two homes using "off the grid" power sources and wood stove heating. I will be doing some work on a third house this summer and plan to start out
with a completely solar power source and maybe later get into some wind power before the fall. This is not due to compliance with any of Obamao's green objectives but rather because of them.

Anyhow, I don't believe in any "energy company conspiracy" such as you are suggesting. Stop and think about it, the energy companies have huge cash and assets they could eaily convert to "green" IF IT WERE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE and viable, truth is, the 'green' is not that efficient, not yet.

Also our defense and INFRASTRUCTURE are too much tied to oil, running an apache helicopter on solar power is as far off as running a neighborhood fire truck on a wind turbine or an ambulance on a cell battery.

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Re: Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure
« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2013, 10:53:39 PM »
Not only that, it takes hours to recharge, then there is still that little issue with fires, I quit using lithium batteries because I've had over 90% failure rate, and one fire in a flashlight due to lithium.
Hell, Boeing has grounded the Dreamliner over the lithium battery issue, yet the Govt forced the issue down our throats.

And I have yet to see one hydrogen station in Ca outside the bus station.
Big dreams, big failures, libs just can't seem to stand using proven technology, they are constantly breaking the wheel to see why it rolls so well.

I guess the Liberal vision is for thousands of people driving through small towns along the highway and knocking on doors asking people if they can plug their cars into their outlets and spend the night.


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Re: Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2013, 11:12:35 PM »
I guess the Liberal vision is for thousands of people driving through small towns along the highway and knocking on doors asking people if they can plug their cars into their outlets and spend the night.

As I remember it is not a standard size outlet, so back to the drawing board.
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