Obama Green Bull Shit a Complete Failure

Started by Solar, January 23, 2013, 07:14:54 AM

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Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 23, 2013, 07:05:12 PM
The green sector is controlled by the federal government. So it is very difficult to make the argument that the green sector is ailing because the economy is ailing.

We have spent decades and hundreds of billions of dollars on the "green sector". After all that can you right here and now give me an estimate as to when alternative energy sources will become viable?

Lol, you can't say stuff like "the green sector is controlled by the federal government" and be taken seriously. The federal government doesn't control supply and demand. It doesn't decide that one product is better then another, and force people to buy the product they support. Yes, they obviously have a large influence, but in no way does the federal government have "control" over any industry.

As far as an alternative energy source that is about to be viable, yes, flexible solar cells. It has a very good chance of become an incredibly viable, and inexpensive source of alternative energy. Whether or not the energy industry will embrace the technology, and agree to integrate in to the existing market, will be a large determining factor over it's success. I can tell you for sure, that it won't be up to the federal government whether or not it's successful.

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Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 07:14:16 PM
Lol, you can't say stuff like "the green sector is controlled by the federal government" and be taken seriously. The federal government doesn't control supply and demand. It doesn't decide that one product is better then another, and force people to buy the product they support. Yes, they obviously have a large influence, but in no way does the federal government have "control" over any industry.

As far as an alternative energy source that is about to be viable, yes, flexible solar cells. It has a very good chance of become an incredibly viable, and inexpensive source of alternative energy. Whether or not the energy industry will embrace the technology, and agree to integrate in to the existing market, will be a large determining factor over it's success. I can tell you for sure, that it won't be up to the federal government whether or not it's successful.

There is no demand for green technology. Not to the point that it will be profitable. You can laugh all you want and say I can't be taken seriously but haven't we been talking about green companies subsidized by the government?
Let's look at GM. Obama owns them.He made the green car a priority. he pumped billions into the manufacturing of these green cars. He then promised to subsidize everyone that bought one. No one did. The Volt is a complete failure when it is not bursting into flames. And we take a major loss on every one made.

EHMakeup

Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 23, 2013, 07:19:51 PM
There is no demand for green technology. Not to the point that it will be profitable. You can laugh all you want and say I can't be taken seriously but haven't we been talking about green companies subsidized by the government?
Let's look at GM. Obama owns them.He made the green car a priority. he pumped billions into the manufacturing of these green cars. He then promised to subsidize everyone that bought one. No one did. The Volt is a complete failure when it is not bursting into flames. And we take a major loss on every one made.

I appreciate that we have got to some substance here. However, saying that the President own GM is totally false! The federal government never took operational control of GM, and all of the money that GM BORROWED from the government, has been paid pack.

Your statement on the Volt though, it totally right!! That thing totally sucks, and it's ridiculously ugly. However, isn't the whole idea behind subsidization is to allow companies to take a risk on something new, with a government safety net? Now, the oil companies continue to collect government subsidies regardless of it being the most profitable industry in the world. That has always baffled me.

Solar

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 07:00:42 PM
And those failures have nothing to do with an ailing economy? It's only because green energy is an absolute failure? That's the only possible answer?
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Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 07:30:36 PM
I appreciate that we have got to some substance here. However, saying that the President own GM is totally false! The federal government never took operational control of GM, and all of the money that GM BORROWED from the government, has been paid pack.

Your statement on the Volt though, it totally right!! That thing totally sucks, and it's ridiculously ugly. However, isn't the whole idea behind subsidization is to allow companies to take a risk on something new, with a government safety net? Now, the oil companies continue to collect government subsidies regardless of it being the most profitable industry in the world. That has always baffled me.

After Obama took control of GM who chose the people to replace the managers?

Solar

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 07:14:16 PM
Lol, you can't say stuff like "the green sector is controlled by the federal government" and be taken seriously. The federal government doesn't control supply and demand. It doesn't decide that one product is better then another, and force people to buy the product they support. Yes, they obviously have a large influence, but in no way does the federal government have "control" over any industry.

As far as an alternative energy source that is about to be viable, yes, flexible solar cells. It has a very good chance of become an incredibly viable, and inexpensive source of alternative energy. Whether or not the energy industry will embrace the technology, and agree to integrate in to the existing market, will be a large determining factor over it's success. I can tell you for sure, that it won't be up to the federal government whether or not it's successful.
Husein tried to create demand through rebates, killing the coal industry, in turn driving up the over all cost of energy.
He has forced energy suppliers into a quota system, whereby they have to sell a certain amount of so called green energy, or be fined for not reaching that goal.

I've been in the alternative energy industry for more than 20 years, and it was his policies that killed it.
Green energy is dead, the only thing keeping it alive is Govt subsidies.
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Green energy is viable on a smaller scale. Fueling cars and powering cities is never going to work.

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Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 23, 2013, 07:32:30 PM
After Obama took control of GM who chose the people to replace the managers?

I assume you are talking about Wagoner, who was in fact appointed by the Obama administration to manage the company through bankruptcy and it's rehabilitation. He did, didn't do a very good job, the administration recognized that, asked him step aside, and then the board picked a new CEO.

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Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 07:43:56 PM
I assume you are talking about Wagoner, who was in fact appointed by the Obama administration to manage the company through bankruptcy and it's rehabilitation. He did, didn't do a very good job, the administration recognized that, asked him step aside, and then the board picked a new CEO.

What about Dan Akerson? Obama appointed him.

EHMakeup

Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 23, 2013, 07:50:30 PM
What about Dan Akerson? Obama appointed him.

I think you are miss informed. Akerson threw his name out there after Wagoner stepped down, but the board voted and picked him. He was not appointed. Now, weather or not the White House lobbied for him, neither of us will never know for sure.

Solar

Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 23, 2013, 07:40:44 PM
Green energy is viable on a smaller scale. Fueling cars and powering cities is never going to work.
I love it, been living on it exclusively for more than two decades, but the average person can't deal with putting out a hundred grand, or dealing with the fact that you are the one that has to deal with breakdowns, battery replacement, cleaning the panels.
It's not for the faint of heart.
Bottom line, it's a damned expensive lifestyle.
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Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 07:54:27 PM
I think you are miss informed. Akerson threw his name out there after Wagoner stepped down, but the board voted and picked him. He was not appointed. Now, weather or not the White House lobbied for him, neither of us will never know for sure.
He was put on the board by the Obama administration as a  representative of the US Treasury.  Then he was made CEO. Do you really think the board independently appointed him CEO without "influence" by the administration? 

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Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2013, 08:02:45 PM
I love it, been living on it exclusively for more than two decades, but the average person can't deal with putting out a hundred grand, or dealing with the fact that you are the one that has to deal with breakdowns, battery replacement, cleaning the panels.
It's not for the faint of heart.
Bottom line, it's a damned expensive lifestyle.

What I find fascinating is that the liberals put billions into cars that run on alternative energy and never bothered to build places to refuel them. I can buy an electric car but where do I recharge them? it's not as if I can pull into a truck stop on I95 and plug in. Why would you buy a car if you have to worry about finding a place to recharge it? its the the same with hydrogen. Outside of California where the hell are you going to refuel your hybrid?

EHMakeup

Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 23, 2013, 08:10:13 PM
He was put on the board by the Obama administration as a  representative of the US Treasury.  Then he was made CEO. Do you really think the board independently appointed him CEO without "influence" by the administration?

See now, though, that's not what you said. You said that the President appointed him. He didn't have that authority, technically, if you want to say anyone appointed him, he would have appointed himself, because the department of treasury owns the 61%, not the President. He didn't though, he was confirmed by the board. And if that vote was made under duress, do you really think that story wouldn't have gotten out by now?

Solar

Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 23, 2013, 08:14:52 PM
What I find fascinating is that the liberals put billions into cars that run on alternative energy and never bothered to build places to refuel them. I can buy an electric car but where do I recharge them? it's not as if I can pull into a truck stop on I95 and plug in. Why would you buy a car if you have to worry about finding a place to recharge it? its the the same with hydrogen. Outside of California where the hell are you going to refuel your hybrid?
Not only that, it takes hours to recharge, then there is still that little issue with fires, I quit using lithium batteries because I've had over 90% failure rate, and one fire in a flashlight due to lithium.
Hell, Boeing has grounded the Dreamliner over the lithium battery issue, yet the Govt forced the issue down our throats.

And I have yet to see one hydrogen station in Ca outside the bus station.
Big dreams, big failures, libs just can't seem to stand using proven technology, they are constantly breaking the wheel to see why it rolls so well.
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