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Title: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solar on December 24, 2012, 11:13:54 AM
Is this supposed to make a point? All it does is tell thugs where not to go, wonder if it will drive more people to apply for a permit?
Libs never think things through. :biggrin:

To see the map, go to the site.

The map indicates the addresses of all pistol permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties. Each dot represents an individual permit holder licensed to own a handgun — a pistol or revolver. The data does not include owners of long guns — rifles or shotguns — which can be purchased without a permit. Being included in this map does not mean the individual at a specific location owns a weapon, just that they are licensed to do so.

http://www.lohud.com/interactive/article/20121223/NEWS01/121221011/Map-Where-gun-permits-your-neighborhood-?nclick_check=1 (http://www.lohud.com/interactive/article/20121223/NEWS01/121221011/Map-Where-gun-permits-your-neighborhood-?nclick_check=1)
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: walkstall on December 24, 2012, 11:45:11 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 24, 2012, 11:13:54 AM
Is this supposed to make a point? All it does is tell thugs where not to go, wonder if it will drive more people to apply for a permit?
Libs never think things through. :biggrin:

To see the map, go to the site.

The map indicates the addresses of all pistol permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties. Each dot represents an individual permit holder licensed to own a handgun — a pistol or revolver. The data does not include owners of long guns — rifles or shotguns — which can be purchased without a permit. Being included in this map does not mean the individual at a specific location owns a weapon, just that they are licensed to do so.

http://www.lohud.com/interactive/article/20121223/NEWS01/121221011/Map-Where-gun-permits-your-neighborhood-?nclick_check=1 (http://www.lohud.com/interactive/article/20121223/NEWS01/121221011/Map-Where-gun-permits-your-neighborhood-?nclick_check=1)


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Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solar on December 24, 2012, 11:55:20 AM
Quote from: walkstall on December 24, 2012, 11:45:11 AM

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Bingo!!! :lol:
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Patriot on December 24, 2012, 12:30:39 PM
This is outrageous.  While it might deter burglaries, it could also set targets on where to go to get guns.  I hope those involved will pursue whatever civil or criminal penalties are possible.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: mdgiles on December 24, 2012, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: USAPatriot on December 24, 2012, 12:30:39 PM
This is outrageous.  While it might deter burglaries, it could also set targets on where to go to get guns.  I hope those involved will pursue whatever civil or criminal penalties are possible.
I don't think they'll have to worry about the thugs coming to get their guns and ammunition. The thugs run the risk of getting the ammunition first - one round at a time. I'd worry more if I were their unarmed neighbor. Indeed, I'd demand to be included on the map if I were a long gun owner.  :smile:
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Yawn on December 24, 2012, 01:21:01 PM
You guys aren't looking at it the way the Left does. The paper is exposing where the "dangerous criminal" live among them. It's about exposing YOU to your neighbors. YOU are dangerous. YOU represent a threat to the peaceful neighborhood.  That's how the left sees you.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: kramarat on December 24, 2012, 02:38:37 PM
Hmm..................if couple of counties in a lib state are that covered up with guns, I wonder what the red state counties look like.

A freedom of information request? What the hell happened to the right to privacy? These people aren't sex offenders. :angry:
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solar on December 24, 2012, 02:56:45 PM
Keep in mind, these are only people with permits for concealed carry, (anyway that's what I surmise from the article), just imagine how many own guns that don't want the Govt knowing about, then multiply that by every county/state in the US.

Is it any wonder they are afraid of us, and why they keep pushing for bans?
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: mdgiles on December 26, 2012, 06:03:14 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 24, 2012, 02:56:45 PM
Keep in mind, these are only people with permits for concealed carry, (anyway that's what I surmise from the article), just imagine how many own guns that don't want the Govt knowing about, then multiply that by every county/state in the US.

Is it any wonder they are afraid of us, and why they keep pushing for bans?
They can push for bans all they want. They seem to be working under the mistaken impression that the people trust them enough to meekly turn in their weapons. I don't think so.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solar on December 26, 2012, 06:33:41 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on December 26, 2012, 06:03:14 AM
They can push for bans all they want. They seem to be working under the mistaken impression that the people trust them enough to meekly turn in their weapons. I don't think so.
The left has been lying to us for so long, they're beginning to believe it themselves.
Their delusions will be their downfall, they won't see it coming.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: kramarat on December 26, 2012, 08:54:52 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on December 26, 2012, 06:03:14 AM
They can push for bans all they want. They seem to be working under the mistaken impression that the people trust them enough to meekly turn in their weapons. I don't think so.

Every time they even think about it, gun and ammo sales go through the roof. The people that are making the purchases are not thinking about turning them in....................................EVER.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: mdgiles on December 26, 2012, 09:31:25 AM
I said before, so I'll say it once more. What started the shooting in the Revolutionary War - the real live let's start trading bullets part - was the Redcoats marching out of Boston to confiscate the weapons and ammunition of of the Patriots at Lexington and Concord. I swear, it sometimes seems as if the left has never picked up a reputable American History text. What are they thinking and who are they getting their history from - Gore Vidal and Oliver Stone?
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solar on December 26, 2012, 10:25:07 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on December 26, 2012, 09:31:25 AM
I said before, so I'll say it once more. What started the shooting in the Revolutionary War - the real live let's start trading bullets part - was the Redcoats marching out of Boston to confiscate the weapons and ammunition of of the Patriots at Lexington and Concord. I swear, it sometimes seems as if the left has never picked up a reputable American History text. What are they thinking and who are they getting their history from - Gore Vidal and Oliver Stone?
The left has proven over and over again, they don't learn from history or from their failures.
It's the same reason they think communism really hasn't failed, it just hasn't been properly instituted yet. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: The Stranger on December 26, 2012, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on December 24, 2012, 12:59:45 PM
I don't think they'll have to worry about the thugs coming to get their guns and ammunition. The thugs run the risk of getting the ammunition first - one round at a time. I'd worry more if I were their unarmed neighbor. Indeed, I'd demand to be included on the map if I were a long gun owner.  :smile:

I find it hard to believe this is legal? What's next all the people who have cars that can go over 100 MPH?
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: BILLY Defiant on December 26, 2012, 05:36:36 PM
I'd like to see the someone publish a map of the entire newspapers staff's residences.

Calling all burglers, serial rapists, home invasion crews and sneak theives...these people have lots of money and don't beleive in having guns.

Word.

Billy
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Patriot on December 26, 2012, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on December 26, 2012, 05:36:36 PM
I'd like to see the someone publish a map of the entire newspapers staff's residences.

Calling all burglers, serial rapists, home invasion crews and sneak theives...these people have lots of money and don't beleive in having guns.

Word.

Billy

"Since the Journal-News published its interactive map, Mr. Fountain, who typically blogs about local real estate deals with occasional forays into politics, has been publishing a list of home addresses, phone numbers and various other bits of personal information about Journal-News staff—including info on the paper's publisher, its editor-in-chief, and the reporter and designer responsible for the offending story, as well as a laundry list of other staff, right down to the guy responsible for "comics, crosswords, Jumble, Sudoku, movie clock."

http://betabeat.com/2012/12/blogger-doxes-journal-news-staff-after-paper-publishes-map-of-westchester-gun-permit-holders/ (http://betabeat.com/2012/12/blogger-doxes-journal-news-staff-after-paper-publishes-map-of-westchester-gun-permit-holders/)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Charliemyboy on December 26, 2012, 05:53:17 PM
Turn about is fair plaly.   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: walkstall on December 26, 2012, 06:15:35 PM
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on December 26, 2012, 05:36:36 PM
I'd like to see the someone publish a map of the entire newspapers staff's residences.

Calling all burglers, serial rapists, home invasion crews and sneak theives...these people have lots of money and don't beleive in having guns.

Word.

Billy

Will this do Billy....  Names, Address, E-Mail and Phone number.

http://christopherfountain.wordpress.com/tag/cyndee-royle/ (http://christopherfountain.wordpress.com/tag/cyndee-royle/)
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: BILLY Defiant on December 26, 2012, 06:29:38 PM
Quote from: walkstall on December 26, 2012, 06:15:35 PM
Will this do Billy....  Names, Address, E-Mail and Phone number.

http://christopherfountain.wordpress.com/tag/cyndee-royle/ (http://christopherfountain.wordpress.com/tag/cyndee-royle/)

Thanx

Gonna post this on as many forums as possible
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 27, 2012, 01:58:29 AM
Actually the paper simply alerted the criminals to where they had the best chance of scoring.

Liberals really are that dumb.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Darth Fife on December 27, 2012, 06:15:50 AM
Quote from: USAPatriot on December 26, 2012, 05:42:52 PM
"Since the Journal-News published its interactive map, Mr. Fountain, who typically blogs about local real estate deals with occasional forays into politics, has been publishing a list of home addresses, phone numbers and various other bits of personal information about Journal-News staff—including info on the paper's publisher, its editor-in-chief, and the reporter and designer responsible for the offending story, as well as a laundry list of other staff, right down to the guy responsible for "comics, crosswords, Jumble, Sudoku, movie clock."

http://betabeat.com/2012/12/blogger-doxes-journal-news-staff-after-paper-publishes-map-of-westchester-gun-permit-holders/ (http://betabeat.com/2012/12/blogger-doxes-journal-news-staff-after-paper-publishes-map-of-westchester-gun-permit-holders/)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Just like McDonald's... I'm lovin' it! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Patriot on January 03, 2013, 12:47:06 AM
Journal News hires armed security guards

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/journal-news-hires-armed-security-guards-153103.html (http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/journal-news-hires-armed-security-guards-153103.html)

Conservatives and gun rights advocates publicly protested the paper's move; on Monday, the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association called for a nationwide boycott of the paper's advertisers, calling it a "wanton act" that "has put in harm's way tens of thousands of lawful license holders."

The Rockland County Times, a Journal News competitor, led its exclusive report citing the juxtaposition of targeting gun ownership while hiring armed guards.  "Guns are good for the goose but NOT for the gander," Dylan Skriloff, the Rockland County Times' associate publisher & editor-in-chief wrote.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: The Stranger on January 03, 2013, 04:18:31 AM
Everything the libs do is for OTHERS not them. Liberals are the BIGGEST group of followers in the world.
Taxes are for others, look at the administration and those who owe. They preach higher taxes but never pay more, the want gun control but have armed guards. When was the last time an armed guard was needed to save a liberal? LOL
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: AndyJackson on January 04, 2013, 07:33:10 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on December 26, 2012, 06:03:14 AM
They can push for bans all they want. They seem to be working under the mistaken impression that the people trust them enough to meekly turn in their weapons. I don't think so.
It's unfortunate assumptions like this that got us Obamacare.

With the bribery, coercion, and stealth legislation/voting that occurred, and the after-the-fact corrections/exemptions to try and make all the problems go away, AND complete media support....anything is possible.

I can see this same template being followed to pursue gun confiscation, while us normal, honest people sit here saying "it could never happen".

There is no "can't happen" anymore.  Not with the way that the legislative process, and the AG's office, and the media, are being used by Obama.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: AndyJackson on January 04, 2013, 07:35:41 AM
I still don't understand how there aren't already 50 lawsuits breaking the back of this paper.

Just more conservatives saying "ho-hum, better not make waves, don't want to be looked at as fanatical"....while they get gang raped by the leftist machine.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solar on January 04, 2013, 08:11:43 AM
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 04, 2013, 07:35:41 AM
I still don't understand how there aren't already 50 lawsuits breaking the back of this paper.

Just more conservatives saying "ho-hum, better not make waves, don't want to be looked at as fanatical"....while they get gang raped by the leftist machine.
It's public record, anyone can look it up, no law was broken, just stupid liberals trying to make political points during a crisis.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: AndyJackson on January 04, 2013, 09:04:32 AM
I think you can pursue a lawsuit, if you can illustrate tangible harm by someone else's actions, regardless of the legal issues.

Mental anguish, loss of affection, living in fear, loss of appetite, stress, etc....all things that liberals pepper their lawsuits with, all day every day.  If you can attach the meanings / purposes of outing people as "gun owners", there may be a little slander / libel in there too.

I think this is how we have civil suits filed, even after a legal-based suit has been lost.  People often win the latter even after losing the former.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: PeterR on January 04, 2013, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: Patriot on January 03, 2013, 12:47:06 AM
Journal News hires armed security guards

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/journal-news-hires-armed-security-guards-153103.html (http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/journal-news-hires-armed-security-guards-153103.html)

Conservatives and gun rights advocates publicly protested the paper's move; on Monday, the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association called for a nationwide boycott of the paper's advertisers, calling it a "wanton act" that "has put in harm's way tens of thousands of lawful license holders."

The Rockland County Times, a Journal News competitor, led its exclusive report citing the juxtaposition of targeting gun ownership while hiring armed guards.  "Guns are good for the goose but NOT for the gander," Dylan Skriloff, the Rockland County Times' associate publisher & editor-in-chief wrote.

Sow the wind ...
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: raptor5618 on January 04, 2013, 09:38:48 AM
I think the best response would be to list the names, phone numbers, emails and website address of every company that purchased ads in the paper.   Make it easy for people to call every one and tell them that they will not purchase their products as long as they advertise in that paper. 

All media exists only if it is able to attract advertisers.  Advertisers go away and the paper goes away or changes its policies.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solar on January 04, 2013, 09:48:27 AM
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 04, 2013, 09:04:32 AM
I think you can pursue a lawsuit, if you can illustrate tangible harm by someone else's actions, regardless of the legal issues.

Mental anguish, loss of affection, living in fear, loss of appetite, stress, etc....all things that liberals pepper their lawsuits with, all day every day.  If you can attach the meanings / purposes of outing people as "gun owners", there may be a little slander / libel in there too.

I think this is how we have civil suits filed, even after a legal-based suit has been lost.  People often win the latter even after losing the former.
Sadly we've become a litigious society and sue over the dumbest things.
Raptor got it right and someone did exactly that, posted their names and addresses as unarmed citizens so these idiot libs hired armed security.
Don't you love the hypocrisy in it? :laugh:
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: raptor5618 on January 04, 2013, 11:47:40 AM
Solar I was saying to post the names of the advertisers and let them hear from the public that they will not purchase any of their products or services.  A long time ago I went to a lecture by I think it was Ray Bradbury who was the creator of Star Trek.  I am not a big fan but since back then there have been numerous movies and a large number of versions so I think it is clear that viewers like the concept. 

Well the original Star Trek was canceled pretty quickly and I think it was in its first year because it was not able to attract advertising.  He went on to explain that all TV shows are created with the intent of attracting advertising.  No matter how creative a show is, if the network cannot get advertising the show is gone. 

I am certain that while the newspaper could withstand a drop in the number of subscribers, it probably could not continue this tactic if its advertising base dried up.  I am sure the people inside the company are not happy to have their names published but if they are die hard libs I am sure they see themselves as rebels standing up for a cause to take all legal guns away for law abiding citizens.  They might be nervous but now their job takes on an air of risk which I am sure makes them a bit happier to say what they do for a living when that comes up.  Would you rather say you print a newspaper or say that you print a low readership newspaper that is so cutting edge that you have to be careful because of the haters wanting to harm you. 

Who do you remember, the general who organizes the supplies that go to war or the general who leads the charge against the enemy.

I think the GOP really needs to give up the intellectual discussions that only work on those who are willing to consider another point of view which most libs are not going to do no matter how illogical their opinion is.  I think they need to go for the jugular and do it with intent.  They need to stop trying to win the war of words and instead go for  the total and complete destruction of the lib point of view.  Just like police are trained to do they need to keep at it until the target is down and incapacitated.  Once you decide that action needs to be taken it has to done with a complete dedication to the cause. 

I do not see even a hint that the GOP has the heart or will to even attempt such an approach but until they learn that the Libs are at war and are not playing a civilized game they are going to be constantly taking one step forward and then immediately taking two steps back. 

Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: AndyJackson on January 04, 2013, 12:29:57 PM
We can't sit around worried about looking overly litigious.  Or mean, or hateful, or divisive, or contentious, or "scorched earth", or 100 other labels.  These labels mean one thing in lib-media speak - anything that the GOP or conservatives ask for, value, or believe in.  We can't escape the labels by giving in and giving up every time, which seems to be SOP for Boehner and pals.

They do it and win / prosper.....we need to fire back on all fronts.

The leftists have another great tactic - they get away with stuff like this forever, then announce "they all do it" when caught, and quickly revert to "oh, so you think two wrongs make a right if you do it too".

It's pure kiddie stuff, they say and do anything to get an edge, then say and do anything to demonize others for what they do themselves.

It's high time to not care anymore, and go on the warpath.  It's the only thing that will change anything.  We can't beat the dems, marxists, deadbeat moochers, and media any other way.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: JustKari on January 04, 2013, 12:36:46 PM
Quote from: raptor5618 on January 04, 2013, 11:47:40 AM
Solar I was saying to post the names of the advertisers and let them hear from the public that they will not purchase any of their products or services.  A long time ago I went to a lecture by I think it was Ray Bradbury who was the creator of Star Trek.  I am not a big fan but since back then there have been numerous movies and a large number of versions so I think it is clear that viewers like the concept. 

Well the original Star Trek was canceled pretty quickly and I think it was in its first year because it was not able to attract advertising.  He went on to explain that all TV shows are created with the intent of attracting advertising.  No matter how creative a show is, if the network cannot get advertising the show is gone. 

I am certain that while the newspaper could withstand a drop in the number of subscribers, it probably could not continue this tactic if its advertising base dried up.  I am sure the people inside the company are not happy to have their names published but if they are die hard libs I am sure they see themselves as rebels standing up for a cause to take all legal guns away for law abiding citizens.  They might be nervous but now their job takes on an air of risk which I am sure makes them a bit happier to say what they do for a living when that comes up.  Would you rather say you print a newspaper or say that you print a low readership newspaper that is so cutting edge that you have to be careful because of the haters wanting to harm you. 

Who do you remember, the general who organizes the supplies that go to war or the general who leads the charge against the enemy.

I think the GOP really needs to give up the intellectual discussions that only work on those who are willing to consider another point of view which most libs are not going to do no matter how illogical their opinion is.  I think they need to go for the jugular and do it with intent.  They need to stop trying to win the war of words and instead go for  the total and complete destruction of the lib point of view.  Just like police are trained to do they need to keep at it until the target is down and incapacitated.  Once you decide that action needs to be taken it has to done with a complete dedication to the cause. 

I do not see even a hint that the GOP has the heart or will to even attempt such an approach but until they learn that the Libs are at war and are not playing a civilized game they are going to be constantly taking one step forward and then immediately taking two steps back.
Gene Roddenberry, but yes, I see your point.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: supsalemgr on January 04, 2013, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 04, 2013, 12:29:57 PM
We can't sit around worried about looking overly litigious.  Or mean, or hateful, or divisive, or contentious, or "scorched earth", or 100 other labels.  These labels mean one thing in lib-media speak - anything that the GOP or conservatives ask for, value, or believe in.  We can't escape the labels by giving in and giving up every time, which seems to be SOP for Boehner and pals.

They do it and win / prosper.....we need to fire back on all fronts.

The leftists have another great tactic - they get away with stuff like this forever, then announce "they all do it" when caught, and quickly revert to "oh, so you think two wrongs make a right if you do it too".

It's pure kiddie stuff, they say and do anything to get an edge, then say and do anything to demonize others for what they do themselves.

It's high time to not care anymore, and go on the warpath.  It's the only thing that will change anything.  We can't beat the dems, marxists, deadbeat moochers, and media any other way.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: raptor5618 on January 04, 2013, 12:54:45 PM
Opps old age and not enough sleep creeping up on me. So yes that is who I meant.  Also I am hopeful that the tea party or GOP read AJ's posts and are inspired to pick up the flag and charge forward with no thought of retreat or surrender.   I do not think it will be a forlorn hope type of charge but will in the end be successful.

I do not think they need to resort to flat out lying like the Dem party seems to enjoy but they do need to have the scorched earth mentality.  They are not engaged in a political discussion over tea with the Dem's and libs, but more like a cage match and only one winner can emerge.  History is so absolutely clear that the path we are on will never work that fighting against it can be won if only they make it totally clear what they stand for and how misguided the libs are. 
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: supsalemgr on January 04, 2013, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: raptor5618 on January 04, 2013, 12:54:45 PM
Opps old age and not enough sleep creeping up on me. So yes that is who I meant.  Also I am hopeful that the tea party or GOP read AJ's posts and are inspired to pick up the flag and charge forward with no thought of retreat or surrender.   I do not think it will be a forlorn hope type of charge but will in the end be successful.

I do not think they need to resort to flat out lying like the Dem party seems to enjoy but they do need to have the scorched earth mentality.[/[/color  They are not engaged in a political discussion over tea with the Dem's and libs, but more like a cage match and only one winner can emerge.  History is so absolutely clear that the path we are on will never work that fighting against it can be won if only they make it totally clear what they stand for and how misguided the libs are.  

The GOP does not have to lie. Just telling the truth over and over will work if they are relentless.


edited by taxed -- fixed quoting
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: AndyJackson on January 04, 2013, 02:46:40 PM
It will take an entirely new attitude and approach.

You never hear anything true and honest about anything, unless it comes from Limbaugh, or on occasion Hannity or Beck.  It's these 1.5 guys vs. the entire rest of the media, and FOX seems to bounce back and forth between being conservative & not.  Ditto O'Reilly.

The second stringers like Savage, Levin, Boortz, Ingraham, Coulter, are fun to listen to, but they don't put much out there of note.

We need a new, coordinated method.  One that's loud and overbearing, and never shuts up no matter how hard the media and WH machine cries, labels, and accuses.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: JustKari on January 04, 2013, 03:03:05 PM
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 04, 2013, 02:46:40 PM
It will take an entirely new attitude and approach.

You never hear anything true and honest about anything, unless it comes from Limbaugh, or on occasion Hannity or Beck.  It's these 1.5 guys vs. the entire rest of the media, and FOX seems to bounce back and forth between being conservative & not.  Ditto O'Reilly.

The second stringers like Savage, Levin, Boortz, Ingraham, Coulter, are fun to listen to, but they don't put much out there of note.

We need a new, coordinated method.  One that's loud and overbearing, and never shuts up no matter how hard the media and WH machine cries, labels, and accuses.

Another Breitbart, perhaps?
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: taxed on January 04, 2013, 03:04:47 PM
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 04, 2013, 02:46:40 PM
It will take an entirely new attitude and approach.

You never hear anything true and honest about anything, unless it comes from Limbaugh, or on occasion Hannity or Beck.  It's these 1.5 guys vs. the entire rest of the media, and FOX seems to bounce back and forth between being conservative & not.  Ditto O'Reilly.
Beck is awesome.  O'Reilly is a lib.

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The second stringers like Savage, Levin, Boortz, Ingraham, Coulter, are fun to listen to, but they don't put much out there of note.
I wouldn't call Levin a second stringer....  I'd say he's the best.  Lumme some Talkmaster.


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We need a new, coordinated method.  One that's loud and overbearing, and never shuts up no matter how hard the media and WH machine cries, labels, and accuses.
Media-wise, I think Beck is the closest to a conservative media outlet.  He may have been wiffed on the Current TV deal, but that shows he's in acquisition mode....
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Yawn on January 04, 2013, 04:07:29 PM
Beck has accomplished GREAT things, and will do a lot more over the next few years. I guess ADD has an upside. He's the future of the media if we survive another decade. The MSM will die off soon.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: BILLY Defiant on January 04, 2013, 04:12:02 PM
I hear these chickenshits went out and hired armed guards for their newspaper.

Billy
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Cryptic Bert on January 04, 2013, 04:24:52 PM
I wonder what would happen if we published the names and addresses of all those that had abortions....
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Yawn on January 04, 2013, 06:43:07 PM
And there's an example of why the "right" always loses these battles. even "our own" describe playing by their rules, "anger and hate."  Of course such people NEVER use those words until the right does anything. The left can never be described as "hateful."
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: walkstall on January 04, 2013, 08:47:08 PM
Quote from: The Fallen on January 04, 2013, 05:18:59 PM
Anything that's public records can be procured without paying (about) anything. The problem I have with this is why she would want to do so or was it to keep someone from breaking into others homes or to let them know they have guns? Or was she out to make a point about those who have gun (permits). I wonder if her address is on the list?  :confused:

Anyway I think what she did was over the top by putting those involved who have a gun (permits) in the paper. We need to take the high road by not putting her children's and family in danger as she did others.... Anger and hate shouldn't be the cause of putting another childs life an danger or getting them killed to prove a point. :sad:


When the dealer deals the cards the dealer must play the hand they dealt themselves.  She is the one that must take responsibility for her actions.  At some point in life you must reap what you sow.   "The pen is mightier than the sword" works both ways.  You can only give someone a pass for so long, she crossed the line.   She not only crossed the line once but is looking at do it again. 
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: taxed on January 04, 2013, 09:07:02 PM
Quote from: The Fallen on January 04, 2013, 05:18:59 PM
Anything that's public records can be procured without paying (about) anything. The problem I have with this is why she would want to do so or was it to keep someone from breaking into others homes or to let them know they have guns? Or was she out to make a point about those who have gun (permits). I wonder if her address is on the list?  :confused:

Anyway I think what she did was over the top by putting those involved who have a gun (permits) in the paper. We need to take the high road by not putting her children's and family in danger as she did others.... Anger and hate shouldn't be the cause of putting another childs life an danger or getting them killed to prove a point. :sad:

I think they need a wakeup call.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Darth Fife on January 04, 2013, 09:50:39 PM
Just an aside here.

The original Star Trek series ran for 3 seasons, totaling 79 episodes.

NBC wanted to cancel it after the second season due to mediocre ratings (52nd out of 96 TV shows), but the fans protested and the network carried it over for another season but put it in the 10 PM Friday "death slot".

At no time was lack of sponsorship a problem.

Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: supsalemgr on January 05, 2013, 05:40:36 AM
Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2013, 09:07:02 PM
I think they need a wakeup call.
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What the idiots at the paper do not realize is they just put a target on the homes of the folks who don't own guns. A half way bright burglar will seek out targets that are not armed. Of course, libs rarely consider the unintended consequences of their own actions.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solar on January 05, 2013, 08:41:44 AM
Quote from: The Fallen on January 05, 2013, 08:21:31 AM
Ditto taxed,

anger and hate shouldn't be the cause of putting another childs life an danger or getting them killed to prove a point.
Anger and hate is in reach of all of us, we must be strong and resist the devil.
Explain...
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: taxed on January 05, 2013, 10:27:57 AM
Quote from: The Fallen on January 05, 2013, 08:21:31 AM
Ditto taxed,

anger and hate shouldn't be the cause of putting another childs life an danger or getting them killed to prove a point.
Anger and hate is in reach of all of us, we must be strong and resist the devil.

I was disagreeing with you.  I would love nothing more than those liberal anti-gun families to go through an event where they are at the mercy of a criminal.  If you are too much of an idiot to think you can't get in a situation where you need to protect yourself, you need a wakeup call.

How many anti-gun libs have been in these situations, and hypocritically wished they had a gun.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: taxed on January 05, 2013, 03:06:47 PM
Quote from: The Fallen on January 05, 2013, 03:05:24 PM
What's wrong taxed? I was agreeing with you when you said ( I think they need a wakeup call ) but not at the expense of another childs getting killed to prove a point.

I think all familys should have guns and as many as the like too, to protect their family. But there are thoes who don't and shouldn't have guns

Fallen, I'm going to give you one chance to disclose what username you posted under when you were banned last.  If you get it wrong, I'll ban you again.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: taxed on January 05, 2013, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: The Fallen on January 05, 2013, 03:14:27 PM
taxed you don't need to do that, I'll banned myself. Take care dude.


Don't forget whenever you banned someone another person end up with that ip address

I see now i came to the wrong site....... My bad dude

You can't ban yourself.  Nice try.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solar on January 05, 2013, 04:12:32 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 05, 2013, 03:16:34 PM
You can't ban yourself.  Nice try.
Who was it?
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: taxed on January 05, 2013, 04:24:22 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 05, 2013, 04:12:32 PM
Who was it?

I'm not sure, but he was getting the "you've been banned" message on his ip address.  I'm still trying to figure it out...
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Serratoni on January 05, 2013, 08:22:09 PM
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 04, 2013, 02:46:40 PM
It will take an entirely new attitude and approach.

You never hear anything true and honest about anything, unless it comes from Limbaugh, or on occasion Hannity or Beck.  It's these 1.5 guys vs. the entire rest of the media, and FOX seems to bounce back and forth between being conservative & not.  Ditto O'Reilly.

The second stringers like Savage, Levin, Boortz, Ingraham, Coulter, are fun to listen to, but they don't put much out there of note.

We need a new, coordinated method.  One that's loud and overbearing, and never shuts up no matter how hard the media and WH machine cries, labels, and accuses.

If you don't think Mark Levin is vastly superior to everyone in your lists besides possibly Limbaugh, you don't listen to him enough or read him enough.

For all his bluster about "the folks" O'Reilly is a big gov't statist. It's a laugh that the left regards him as some Republican/right wing paragon. Pay attention to his views.

Hannity is an elementary school teacher compared to the true professors in the university of political discourse. He could barely hold his own against that predictable leftist mouthpiece Alan Colmes when they were paired together.

Savage is a lunatic and embarrassment to the conservative cause. Even Levin offered him $1M to quit his show. Savage belongs in the same category as Alex Jones of infowars.

Coulter is an author trying to sell books. That's her first priority. After her vehement support of Romney during the primaries (and before that of the questionable Chris Christie), everything she says should be taken with a grain of salt.

The others you mentioned. Definitely backbenchers, yes.

But don't belittle Levin. He's better than almost everyone.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solar on January 05, 2013, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: Serratoni on January 05, 2013, 08:22:09 PM
If you don't think Mark Levin is vastly superior to everyone in your lists besides possibly Limbaugh, you don't listen to him enough or read him enough.

For all his bluster about "the folks" O'Reilly is a big gov't statist. It's a laugh that the left regards him as some Republican/right wing paragon. Pay attention to his views.

Hannity is an elementary school teacher compared to the true professors in the university of political discourse. He could barely hold his own against that predictable leftist mouthpiece Alan Colmes when they were paired together.

Savage is a lunatic and embarrassment to the conservative cause. Even Levin offered him $1M to quit his show. Savage belongs in the same category as Alex Jones of infowars.

Coulter is an author trying to sell books. That's her first priority. After her vehement support of Romney during the primaries (and before that of the questionable Chris Christie), everything she says should be taken with a grain of salt.

The others you mentioned. Definitely backbenchers, yes.

But don't belittle Levin. He's better than almost everyone.
Well said and I am pretty much in agreement, you shaved off the BS concisely.
Outside of Levin or Rush, I don't give the rest the time of day.

My biggest contention with Savage is he's an arrogant ass hole, I have trouble listening to what he is actually saying because it's hard to get past the ego and the insults he throws at even the most supportive caller.

Beck just cries too much for me.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: kramarat on January 05, 2013, 08:58:24 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 05, 2013, 08:48:52 PM
Well said and I am pretty much in agreement, you shaved off the BS concisely.
Outside of Levin or Rush, I don't give the rest the time of day.

My biggest contention with Savage is he's an arrogant ass hole, I have trouble listening to what he is actually saying because it's hard to get past the ego and the insults he throws at even the most supportive caller.

Beck just cries too much for me.

I listen to all of them.................but not because of them.

It's background noise while I'm working. I listen to them because they have staff people that really do their homework. The leftist agenda gets unfolded, almost in real time.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solar on January 05, 2013, 09:01:59 PM
Quote from: kramarat on January 05, 2013, 08:58:24 PM
I listen to all of them.................but not because of them.

It's background noise while I'm working. I listen to them because they have staff people that really do their homework. The leftist agenda gets unfolded, almost in real time.
I just don't have the time to be by a radio, I seldom catch Rush or Levin, the rest just don't warrant my time.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Darth Fife on January 05, 2013, 09:23:15 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 05, 2013, 09:01:59 PM
I just don't have the time to be by a radio, I seldom catch Rush or Levin, the rest just don't warrant my time.

Ah! One of the benefits of driving for a living!  :wink:
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: walkstall on January 05, 2013, 09:23:33 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 24, 2012, 02:56:45 PM
Keep in mind, these are only people with permits for concealed carry, (anyway that's what I surmise from the article), just imagine how many own guns that don't want the Govt knowing about, then multiply that by every county/state in the US.

Is it any wonder they are afraid of us, and why they keep pushing for bans?


:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

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Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Darth Fife on January 05, 2013, 09:28:55 PM
Quote from: walkstall on January 05, 2013, 09:23:33 PM

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

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:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solar on January 05, 2013, 09:31:26 PM
Quote from: Darth Fife on January 05, 2013, 09:23:15 PM
Ah! One of the benefits of driving for a living!  :wink:
That's the only time I really catch any of them, but I only do about 3000 miles a year.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: kramarat on January 05, 2013, 09:32:36 PM
Quote from: Darth Fife on January 05, 2013, 09:23:15 PM
Ah! One of the benefits of driving for a living!  :wink:

I paint for a living. What can I say? After 20 years of classic rock, Rush radio is a nice change. :wink:
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Darth Fife on January 05, 2013, 09:32:57 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 05, 2013, 09:31:26 PM
That's the only time I really catch any of them, but I only do about 3000 miles a year.

I do about 1000 miles a week - and I'm only part time!
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solar on January 05, 2013, 09:34:32 PM
Quote from: walkstall on January 05, 2013, 09:23:33 PM

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/270330_459530407429175_1376342251_n.jpg)
:laugh:
Believe it or not, I think in truth, every state probably looks like that, the media just presents another view, one they prefer to believe.
Much like everything they do, it's all based in emotion and built on lies.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solars Toy on January 05, 2013, 09:43:49 PM
Quote from: Darth Fife on January 05, 2013, 09:32:57 PM
I do about 1000 miles a week - and I'm only part time!

I'm the commuter in the family.  110 miles a day to work and back.  If I toss in some errands.....even more.  One of my co-workers bought a new Subaru early 2012.  I got my new Subaru November 5th.  Guess which one of us has already had the first 3500 mile oil change...   :ohmy:  Toy
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Darth Fife on January 05, 2013, 10:11:05 PM
Quote from: Solars Toy on January 05, 2013, 09:43:49 PM
I'm the commuter in the family.  110 miles a day to work and back.  If I toss in some errands.....even more.  One of my co-workers bought a new Subaru early 2012.  I got my new Subaru November 5th.  Guess which one of us has already had the first 3500 mile oil change...   :ohmy:  Toy

Back in Sept 2012 our company sold our 2009 vans because we were getting new ones. The lowest mileage on the 4 vans was 180,000 - on a 3 year old vehicle!

Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: kramarat on January 05, 2013, 10:49:12 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 05, 2013, 09:34:32 PM
:laugh:
Believe it or not, I think in truth, every state probably looks like that, the media just presents another view, one they prefer to believe.
Much like everything they do, it's all based in emotion and built on lies.

Yeah. The legal gun owners. Remember the 60's?

The libs have full automatics, bombs and RPGs. :blink:

Hell yeah they want us to stand down. All they want is peace......................and then they will kill us.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: raptor5618 on January 07, 2013, 12:24:53 PM
Quote from: Darth Fife on January 04, 2013, 09:50:39 PM
Just an aside here.

The original Star Trek series ran for 3 seasons, totaling 79 episodes.

NBC wanted to cancel it after the second season due to mediocre ratings (52nd out of 96 TV shows), but the fans protested and the network carried it over for another season but put it in the 10 PM Friday "death slot".

At no time was lack of sponsorship a problem.

Well that is what he said.  I was in my early twenties then and not a star trek fan. One goes to the other and the reality is nothing makes it to TV unless it is able to be supported by commercials.  My point is that advertising is linked to the number of people that will see the ad but if advertising in that newspaper is bad for the companies image and so they pull all their ads, that newspaper cannot survive just on readership.

Apparently he felt that they had sufficient viewership to warrant that it was renewed but in hind sight it has to be one of the more popular series ever.  I do not watch it but it seems like there have been numerous versions and movies and the original cast still makes money going to shows for the faithful followers.   

I am not going to argue that I remember word for word what he said over 30 some years ago but it certainly left an impression since it was not a point of view that I ever thought of at the time.  I mean at 20 years of age who really thinks of the implications of advertising and it was sort of the waning years of the hippie lifestyle.
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solar on January 31, 2013, 08:53:27 AM
Quote from: The Fallen on January 31, 2013, 08:32:31 AM
Taxed  I know you said...You can't ban yourself, but I did abstain from using this site. But anyway........

I had a long talk with myself and I decided I've been to hard on myself and others. I had to reread my Signature:
The Tin man wanted a heart.... I need Christ.... A heart can be broken, Christ can't.
I was watching this movie called, The Book of Eli the other day and he said something that stuck with me. It was where she asked him why he gave him the book, he said because he had been doing for himself for so long to where he forgot what the book was all about.... Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
(It was something to that effect.)

My time here is running out. With that said, it's time I do what I was sent here (Earth) to do.
I'm honestly not following this very well.
Taxed said he banned you once, correct? So who were you before and why were you banned?
Title: Re: NY Paper Runs Map Of Permit Holders
Post by: Solar on January 31, 2013, 09:25:46 AM
Quote from: The Fallen on January 31, 2013, 09:21:25 AM
Wrong!

I got these computers for a good deal, I don't know who had them or what site they were on. Whoever had them deleted everything on them.
I  understand when you delete stuff that don't mean the info. is gone.

Every so often, when I click on a site, or sometimes just the next page of a thread I'm already viewing, I get a "You've been banned" message.
Fine, I was just curious as to what you two were carrying on about.