QuoteThe National Rifle Association endorsed Donald Trump for president on Friday.

The guns rights advocacy group announced their endorsement just before the presumptive Republican nominee took the stage to address members at their convention in Louisville.

Trump called the endorsement a "fantastic honor."

    The #NRA is proud to endorse @realDonaldTrump#NRAAMpic.twitter.com/7pm5vZ4OT0

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/05/20/nra-endorses-donald-trump/84663282/

Someone needs to drug test these people. Just because he isn't Hillary is no guarantee he won't act like a New York gun-grabbing liberal.

Quote from: quiller on May 21, 2016, 03:04:45 AM
http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/05/20/nra-endorses-donald-trump/84663282/

Someone needs to drug test these people. Just because he isn't Hillary is no guarantee he won't act like a New York gun-grabbing liberal.

So far the only reason I have heard to vote for trump is he isn't hillery. Never thought the NRA would fall for that one too. Maybe the NRA should read this   https://theintercept.com/2016/01/27/donald-trump-in-2000-i-support-the-ban-on-assault-weapons/  Just another instance where we do not know how trump believes.

Quote from: s3779m on May 21, 2016, 03:25:02 AM
So far the only reason I have heard to vote for trump is he isn't hillery. Never thought the NRA would fall for that one too. Maybe the NRA should read this   https://theintercept.com/2016/01/27/donald-trump-in-2000-i-support-the-ban-on-assault-weapons/  Just another instance where we do not know how trump believes.

It is called being in the right place at the right time. People will be voting against Hillary.

Nothing new here, back during the TEA movement, the NRA was not our friend.
In 2010 the NRA backed 14 of 20 Democrats in particularly tough House races, choosing to back pro-gun incumbents over challengers, even TEA challengers all because they had no record.

But I was trying to find a particular lib they backed over a Con, so I typed in "NRA backs huge lib" thinking it might be first in the list....

These results went on throughout the entire first page, I didn't look at the second.

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There is an alternative, it's called Gun Owners of America (GOA)

https://www.gunowners.org/

and it's endorsed by Ron Paul.

Two ways to look at supporting 2 pro-gun organizations.  For some, it's a "either this or that" choice, but I'd rather put my "egg$" in two baskets, and open 2 fronts against the gun grabbers.  If one of them goes soft, give that support to the other.  This isn't the first time the NRA has thoroughly pissed off it's members for political expediency.   Also the reason why I'm not a lifetime member of any - you want my support, EARN IT every year.  It's a heck of a lot cheaper than cancelling a lifetime membership, like my father-in-law did during the Brady Bill debate.

When the NRA phones-home, my home for a membership renewal, and sends all those mailings with business
reply envelopes, my "business reply" can be a printed copy of Trump's anti-gun rants - to the No-Rifles-Again.  No biggie, these organizations live and die by DOLLARS, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out Donald Trump made a small contribution to the NRA as "incentive" to gain an endorsement.

Quote from: Hoofer on May 21, 2016, 06:34:33 AM
Two ways to look at supporting 2 pro-gun organizations.  For some, it's a "either this or that" choice, but I'd rather put my "egg$" in two baskets, and open 2 fronts against the gun grabbers.

Hoofer --
We're on the same page there.  I'm a dedicated 2A guy, so I support two national organizations (GOA & NRA) plus two state groups, with both money and time for the latter.  We have made good progress here in Georgia, and were "on a roll" until our term-limited, SOB, semi-Republican Governor sold out to Bloomberg and vetoed a "campus carry" bill that had handily passed both houses of the legislature.   The legislature had already closed business for the year, so no opportunity for over-ride.

With Scalia gone, SCOTUS is big worry.  The next appointment will be huge for our cause -- one way or the other.

Regards,
Russ

Quote from: Hoofer on May 21, 2016, 06:34:33 AM
There is an alternative, it's called Gun Owners of America (GOA)

https://www.gunowners.org/

and it's endorsed by Ron Paul.

Two ways to look at supporting 2 pro-gun organizations.  For some, it's a "either this or that" choice, but I'd rather put my "egg$" in two baskets, and open 2 fronts against the gun grabbers.  If one of them goes soft, give that support to the other.  This isn't the first time the NRA has thoroughly pissed off it's members for political expediency.   Also the reason why I'm not a lifetime member of any - you want my support, EARN IT every year.  It's a heck of a lot cheaper than cancelling a lifetime membership, like my father-in-law did during the Brady Bill debate.

When the NRA phones-home, my home for a membership renewal, and sends all those mailings with business
reply envelopes, my "business reply" can be a printed copy of Trump's anti-gun rants - to the No-Rifles-Again.  No biggie, these organizations live and die by DOLLARS, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out Donald Trump made a small contribution to the NRA as "incentive" to gain an endorsement.

Which is my point. The NRA has proven over the decades they don't recognize party, and this is a good thing in many respects.
However, they appear to be falling into the trap of "If you don't support Trump, you are a Hillary supporter".
How about they refuse to support either gun grabber?
This is why I only give to GOA, and dumped my NRA membership over a decade ago, they backed a lib that claimed he'd reformed... Reformed lib? That's akin to a turd with a clean end, there is no such animal.

Quote from: Solar on May 21, 2016, 08:06:37 AMHowever, they appear to be falling into the trap of "If you don't support Trump, you are a Hillary supporter".

Solar --

From their perspective, that is true.  The difference between Hillary and Trump is, at it's very worst, certainty versus uncertainty.   We know, with a high degree of certainty, that a Hillary appointee to SCOTUS will be anti-gun.  You cannot know, to the same degree of certainty, what a Trump appointee will be.  I think the NRA did the right thing.

[FYI:  I'm a Cruz supporter -- at least until Nov 7th.]

Regards,
Russ

Quote from: Solid Right on May 21, 2016, 08:42:03 AM
Solar --

From their perspective, that is true.  The difference between Hillary and Trump is, at it's very worst, certainty versus uncertainty.   We know, with a high degree of certainty, that a Hillary appointee to SCOTUS will be anti-gun.  You cannot know, to the same degree of certainty, what a Trump appointee will be.  I think the NRA did the right thing.

[FYI:  I'm a Cruz supporter -- at least until Nov 7th.]

Regards,
Russ

Cruz is still a candidate, despite 'suspending' his campaign. So in truth, they should have backed Cruz.
The NRA stepped in this, simply because Trump has a piss poor 2nd Amendment history, so the fact is, what the NRA did was endorse a persona and not someone that actually upholds their so claimed "Ideals".
Like so many, they sold out Americans.

The NRA has consistently supported the Second Amendment since its inception.

If they endorse Donald Trump, I'm sold.

Quote from: SalemCat on May 21, 2016, 01:10:11 PM
The NRA has consistently supported the Second Amendment since its inception.

If they endorse Donald Trump, I'm sold.

Who would'a thunk it?        

Quote from: Solid Right on May 21, 2016, 08:42:03 AM
Solar --

From their perspective, that is true.  The difference between Hillary and Trump is, at it's very worst, certainty versus uncertainty.   We know, with a high degree of certainty, that a Hillary appointee to SCOTUS will be anti-gun.  You cannot know, to the same degree of certainty, what a Trump appointee will be.  I think the NRA did the right thing.

[FYI:  I'm a Cruz supporter -- at least until Nov 7th.]

Regards,
Russ

Appears I'm not alone in my chastising of the NRA endorsing the NY Lib.

Pro-Second Amendment Advocate Claims NRA Did Not Properly Vet Donald Trump

Gun Rights Across America's Pat Nicklaus explains that she's confused as to why the NRA would endorse a candidate who's had a questionable stance on the second amendment for over a decade.

Nicklaus reiterated the strong vetting process and extensive grading system the NRA has always utilized for politicians seeking office. Yet she says the same standards were not upheld with the endorsing of Donald Trump.

Nicklaus explained that Donald Trump supported an assault weapons ban and stronger background checks on page 102 of his book, 'The America We Deserve.' Trump declared:

"I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun."

This fact was reported by The Truth About Guns nearly 4 years ago, long before Donald Trump ever made a run for the White House.
http://buzzpo.com/gun-rights-advocate-slams-chris-cox-nra-endorsing-donald-trump/

Quote from: Solar on May 22, 2016, 07:26:51 AMAppears I'm not alone in my chastising of the NRA endorsing the NY Lib.

Solar --

You could probably find some company if you declared that the Earth was flat.

Like it or not, Trump is, at least until the convention, the "presumptive nominee."  The safest position for the NRA would have been to make no endorsement at all, but safety in the face of impending disaster can be self-defeating.  Endorsing Cruz, a self-suspended candidate, would have just looked silly and created unnecessary antagonisms.  Cruz would probably have been the most surprised of all.

NRA clearly has the SCOTUS appointment fixed in their scope, and a President Hillary would be a sure and certain threat.    Once again, it is certainty versus uncertainty.  We know, to a high degree of certainty, that a Hillary SCOTUS appointee would be anti-gun.  She makes her position clear at every opportunity.  Not even you can state with that degree of certainty that a Trump appointment would be anti-gun.

Yes, I have had my own unhappy encounters with NRA, but those were over method and path -- not the ultimate objective.   Hell, even my own darlin' Wife occasionally did something that annoyed me, but we still made it almost forty years.

In a choice of certain disaster versus uncertain disaster, I'll take "uncertain" every time.  If we keep our guns, at least we can vote under Rule .308.

Regards,
Russ

Quote from: Solid Right on May 21, 2016, 08:42:03 AM
Solar --

From their perspective, that is true.  The difference between Hillary and Trump is, at it's very worst, certainty versus uncertainty.   We know, with a high degree of certainty, that a Hillary appointee to SCOTUS will be anti-gun.  You cannot know, to the same degree of certainty, what a Trump appointee will be.  I think the NRA did the right thing.

[FYI:  I'm a Cruz supporter -- at least until Nov 7th.]

Regards,
Russ

Trump thinks judges sign bills.  This is who you think has an edge over Hillary regarding SCOTUS nominations?

Quote from: taxed on May 22, 2016, 08:53:09 AM
Trump thinks judges sign bills.  This is who you think has an edge over Hillary regarding SCOTUS nominations?

Taxed --

One more time:  It is certainty versus uncertainty.  We know that a Hillary appointment to SCOTUS will be anti-gun.  You cannot make a similar statement, with that degree of certainty, about a Trump appointment.  You are allowing your dislike of Trump to interfere with the logic process.

The NRA did the right thing, under these circumstances.

Regards,
Russ