No Russian Collusion, So Now What?

Started by Solar, April 28, 2018, 08:35:34 AM

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Walter Josh

Quote from: s3779m on May 03, 2018, 02:56:48 AM
A year ago I would have said make that a party of two, a lot has changed. Twitter is now an acceptable way of getting your side of the story out. I used to have a raw nerve hit reading some of president Trumps tweets, not by what he said but how he said it, but had he not said it that way it would not have made the news. The lsm media, by giving the tweets news time, were pushing President Trumps message without even realizing it. And when anything can make liberal heads explode, well it can't be all bad.
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#3779 w/respect, here's my concern.
Trump's early posture toward NK has created a timeless opportunity:
* to end a 75 year old war,
* to reunify the Peninsula,
* to encourage the re-emergence of Japan as the natural leader of the Pacific Rim,
* while sending a LC message to Beijing that Free Trade w/o adherence to fair
Rules is fraud that we will not tolerate.
None of this is easy or simple, yet the upside is monumental.
In the Middle East, Trump has the makings of a winning coalition capable
of driving Iran back to the dark ages, who are a mirror image of the late
19th century Ottoman  Empire; weak, addicted to intolerant religious fanaticism,
utterly corrupt and a threat to its neighborhood.
Cards will have to be well played here yet the opportunity, again, is monumental.
And what is the media briefing relentlessness inundating us?
Why it's Trump and Stormy and Mueller and Comey and Sessions and Rosenstein
and all the rest of that clown posse'.
Is that vital? Absolutely not. Yet it is a distraction and a serious one.
Trump is in his seventies and set in his ways despite what he is advised.
Given his tweets and briefings, he seethes w/rage over this collusion fandango.
Is it enough to distract him and derail two monumental opportunities???
That is the essence of my very real concern! 

Possum

Quote from: Walter Josh on May 03, 2018, 12:39:37 PM
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#3779 w/respect, here's my concern.
Trump's early posture toward NK has created a timeless opportunity:
* to end a 75 year old war,
* to reunify the Peninsula,
* to encourage the re-emergence of Japan as the natural leader of the Pacific Rim,
* while sending a LC message to Beijing that Free Trade w/o adherence to fair
Rules is fraud that we will not tolerate.
None of this is easy or simple, yet the upside is monumental.
In the Middle East, Trump has the makings of a winning coalition capable
of driving Iran back to the dark ages, who are a mirror image of the late
19th century Ottoman  Empire; weak, addicted to intolerant religious fanaticism,
utterly corrupt and a threat to its neighborhood.
Cards will have to be well played here yet the opportunity, again, is monumental.
And what is the media briefing relentlessness inundating us?
Why it's Trump and Stormy and Mueller and Comey and Sessions and Rosenstein
and all the rest of that clown posse'.
Is that vital? Absolutely not. Yet it is a distraction and a serious one.
Trump is in his seventies and set in his ways despite what he is advised.
Given his tweets and briefings, he seethes w/rage over this collusion fandango.
Is it enough to distract him and derail two monumental opportunities???
That is the essence of my very real concern!
The lsm would not give president Trump credit for all he has done even without the tweets, they do not hate him because of the tweets, they hate him because he exposed them for what they are. The lsm media has tried to destroy president Trump since before he took the oath of office. They are now down to a used up whore to bring him down. I don't think what the lsm says has any influence on what he does, but I do think the polls that show his popularity going up do. If the foreign policy fails, I do not think it will be because of president Trump, after all, look at what he has to negotiate with, basically liars and thieves.

Walter Josh

Quote from: s3779m on May 03, 2018, 02:19:25 PM
The lsm would not give president Trump credit for all he has done even without the tweets, they do not hate him because of the tweets, they hate him because he exposed them for what they are. The lsm media has tried to destroy president Trump since before he took the oath of office. They are now down to a used up whore to bring him down. I don't think what the lsm says has any influence on what he does, but I do think the polls that show his popularity going up do. If the foreign policy fails, I do not think it will be because of president Trump, after all, look at what he has to negotiate with, basically liars and thieves.
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Fair enough as you're entitled to your opinion, which I do not share.
Who gets credit or blame here is of no interest to me, akin to who gets the Nobel.
My only interest is in positive results that will lessen the financial cost to the USA
of supporting SK (for 75 years), in having China change its attitude and behavior
regarding trade w/the USA and in allowing the USA to reduce/eliminate its troop/support
levels in the ME, now necessary to mitigate the impetus of chronic agitation fomented
by the surrogates of the Iranians.
For these monumental tasks, as I said previously, we need a laser focused Trump not
distracted by msn bullshit masquerading as entertainment.

Possum

Quote from: Walter Josh on May 03, 2018, 03:28:08 PM
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Fair enough as you're entitled to your opinion, which I do not share.
Who gets credit or blame here is of no interest to me, akin to who gets the Nobel.
My only interest is in positive results that will lessen the financial cost to the USA
of supporting SK (for 75 years), in having China change its attitude and behavior
regarding trade w/the USA and in allowing the USA to reduce/eliminate its troop/support
levels in the ME, now necessary to mitigate the impetus of chronic agitation fomented
by the surrogates of the Iranians.
For these monumental tasks, as I said previously, we need a laser focused Trump not
distracted by msn bullshit masquerading as entertainment.
Just a couple of quick points, Trump or anyone else is not going to stop the lsm from entertaining by masquerading as bullshit, that is who they are. Two, Trump has not changed. This is who he is and so far he has done a pretty damn good job.
I understand we need a laser focused Trump, I see no signs we do not have that. Pissing off libs seems to be how he relaxes.

P.s. Your right, we do not share the same opinions.

Solar

Quote from: NostalgiaForInfinity73 on May 02, 2018, 04:56:49 PM
         Thanks for the welcome, Solar.  You guessed right, I did make that post from my phone.  I do most of my news-gathering through my phone so it is convenient for me to make my posts through my phone.  Please bear with me while I get the hang of this.
  I should apologize to everybody for my post initially turning out like that.  The trouble was when I clicked the 'preview' button it led me to believe my post looked normal and didn't have all that space between sentences.  I did go back and edit my post as soon as I realized the error.  I look forward to stimulating and educational discussion on this forum.
No prob. Again welcome, everyone is welcome. How did you find us?
Official Trump Cult Member

#WWG1WGA

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T Hunt

Quote from: Walter Josh on May 03, 2018, 12:39:37 PM
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#3779 w/respect, here's my concern.
Trump's early posture toward NK has created a timeless opportunity:
* to end a 75 year old war,
* to reunify the Peninsula,
* to encourage the re-emergence of Japan as the natural leader of the Pacific Rim,
* while sending a LC message to Beijing that Free Trade w/o adherence to fair
Rules is fraud that we will not tolerate.
None of this is easy or simple, yet the upside is monumental.
In the Middle East, Trump has the makings of a winning coalition capable
of driving Iran back to the dark ages, who are a mirror image of the late
19th century Ottoman  Empire; weak, addicted to intolerant religious fanaticism,
utterly corrupt and a threat to its neighborhood.
Cards will have to be well played here yet the opportunity, again, is monumental.
And what is the media briefing relentlessness inundating us?
Why it's Trump and Stormy and Mueller and Comey and Sessions and Rosenstein
and all the rest of that clown posse'.
Is that vital? Absolutely not. Yet it is a distraction and a serious one.
Trump is in his seventies and set in his ways despite what he is advised.
Given his tweets and briefings, he seethes w/rage over this collusion fandango.
Is it enough to distract him and derail two monumental opportunities???
That is the essence of my very real concern!

He usually seems really upbeat and happy in public (unless hes talking about something evil like ms13)
"Let's Go Brandon, I agree!"  -Biden

Walter Josh

Quote from: T Hunt on May 05, 2018, 01:43:59 PM
He usually seems really upbeat and happy in public (unless hes talking about something evil like ms13)
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Respectfully, as my core point is simple.
The USA has three major confrontations / matters on the boil
at this moment; namely, Korea, China and Iran, each of which
require very serious attention before any decisions.
The collusion / obstruction fandango is, at best, a distraction for Trump.


Possum

Quote from: Walter Josh on May 05, 2018, 09:47:29 PM
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Respectfully, as my core point is simple.
The USA has three major confrontations / matters on the boil
at this moment; namely, Korea, China and Iran, each of which
require very serious attention before any decisions.
The collusion / obstruction fandango is, at best, a distraction for Trump.
Totally agree, Korea, China and Iran are important, but liberalism is our biggest threat and it is right here now.
https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2018/05/06/liberalism-must-be-destroyed-n2477924
I do believe this is Trump's main focus as he is exposing liberalism for what it is, and I do believe our enemies see exactly what is going on.

cubs2016

Quote from: Solar on April 29, 2018, 06:42:21 AM
While the MSM attempts to distract from the real perps, the Dim party.
Yeah, this whole fiasco was akin to a toddler caught with his hand in the cookie jar, cholate all over the place, crumbs in his diapers, yet stands firm in denial of ever having touched a cookie.
That's where the left is, they are essentially wasting our tax dollars searching for their imaginary cookie monster. When in fact, it was they who stole the proverbial cookies, or in truth, colluded with Russians, so they know exactly where not to look.

Mr. Sessions, an old typing exercise, but yet true as ever - now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.  Grow a pair, Sir, and come to the aid of your country. 
"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" ....Ronald Reagan

T Hunt

Quote from: Walter Josh on May 05, 2018, 09:47:29 PM
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Respectfully, as my core point is simple.
The USA has three major confrontations / matters on the boil
at this moment; namely, Korea, China and Iran, each of which
require very serious attention before any decisions.
The collusion / obstruction fandango is, at best, a distraction for Trump.

I dont think it distracts him at all. Im sure it irritated him when it first started but he has since turned it to his advantage. Now it will only help boost gop turnout for the midterms and skyrocket his approval ratings even higher. In fact it is more helpful to him than that, it is the opening chink in the libs armor, the collusion delusion is trumps opportunity to expose the lefts corrupt coup as it all turns to point at the dems.

I dont think the collusion delusion takes anything away from trumps efforts in foriegn or even domestic issues. The LSM DOES NOT DISTRACT TRUMP. They only distract themselves and their voters. In fact i think trump doesnt even want them talking about his successes. He knows they have no power and no one who matters listenes to them so he wants them talking about issues that dont matter. The LSM is doing EXACTLY what trump wants them too, helping him every step of the way.
"Let's Go Brandon, I agree!"  -Biden

Cryptic Bert

I don't think Trump cares. If anyone thinks they are invincible it's Trump.

Walter Josh

Quote from: s3779m on May 06, 2018, 03:21:43 AM
Totally agree, Korea, China and Iran are important, but liberalism is our biggest threat and it is right here now.
https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2018/05/06/liberalism-must-be-destroyed-n2477924
I do believe this is Trump's main focus as he is exposing liberalism for what it is, and I do believe our enemies see exactly what is going on.
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Ah Liberalism; a good word corrupted by many evil people lusting for power.
The Natural Law, guided Man since 8000 BC, later reinforced by the sentiment
of Religion. In essence, Mankind had adhered to the impulse of Principled
Conservatism for almost 10,000 years, allowing him to survive and thrive.
Then the French, the catalysts for every crackpot heresy since the Fall of Rome,
inflicted their 'Enlightenment' on civilization, w/all its subversive nostrums;
among them egalitarianism spawning progressivism spawning socialism
spawning collectivism and all the rest of the isms; in the process changing the
world irrevocably and for the worse.
This ideology, w/its religious trappings, has been is place for some 300 years
and ain't going away any time soon. given the lack of awareness of its danger
by far too many easily led people. Jousting w/it is a waste of time better spent
on matters of immediate importance and impact such as Korea, China and Iran;
which deserve and need our, and more critically, Trump's laser focus.


Walter Josh

Quote from: T Hunt on May 06, 2018, 09:41:37 AM
I dont think it distracts him at all. Im sure it irritated him when it first started but he has since turned it to his advantage. Now it will only help boost gop turnout for the midterms and skyrocket his approval ratings even higher. In fact it is more helpful to him than that, it is the opening chink in the libs armor, the collusion delusion is trumps opportunity to expose the lefts corrupt coup as it all turns to point at the dems.

I dont think the collusion delusion takes anything away from trumps efforts in foriegn or even domestic issues. The LSM DOES NOT DISTRACT TRUMP. They only distract themselves and their voters. In fact i think trump doesnt even want them talking about his successes. He knows they have no power and no one who matters listenes to them so he wants them talking about issues that dont matter. The LSM is doing EXACTLY what trump wants them too, helping him every step of the way.
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Respectfully disagree strongly yet you're entitled to your opinion.
The msm plays this snare drum 24/7/365 because they know two big things:
* Trump simply cannot resist talking/tweeting about collusion/obstruction.
* It raises their viewership, increasing ratings which inflates advertising revenue.
So let's discuss China, one of three 'foreign matters' on the boil!
In 2017 we incurred a $375 billion trade deficit w/them, as we
have for some 20 years; aggregating more than $6.0 trillion.
Trump correctly raised hell over this and China agreed to trade
talks which were held in Beijing on Thursday. We argued our case,
presented our demands and awaited their response.
They demurred, telling us they would get back to us. When?
Er..... perhaps sometime next year. Wow, some sense of urgency.
Our delegation packed up and left and are now back in DC.
Headlines from the Financial Times(London) and the Wall Street Journal (Asia)
blared "China/USA Trade Talks end as soon as they began". Some success huh?
And Trump's impact was non-existent!
Moral of the tale is real simple. Our success w/Korea, w/China and w/Iran
is more than important, it's vital. What interests the media is bullshit! 



Possum

Quote from: Walter Josh on May 06, 2018, 09:19:27 PM
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Respectfully disagree strongly yet you're entitled to your opinion.
The msm plays this snare drum 24/7/365 because they know two big things:
* Trump simply cannot resist talking/tweeting about collusion/obstruction.
* It raises their viewership, increasing ratings which inflates advertising revenue.
So let's discuss China, one of three 'foreign matters' on the boil!
In 2017 we incurred a $375 billion trade deficit w/them, as we
have for some 20 years; aggregating more than $6.0 trillion.
Trump correctly raised hell over this and China agreed to trade
talks which were held in Beijing on Thursday. We argued our case,
presented our demands and awaited their response.
They demurred, telling us they would get back to us. When?
Er..... perhaps sometime next year. Wow, some sense of urgency.
Our delegation packed up and left and are now back in DC.
Headlines from the Financial Times(London) and the Wall Street Journal (Asia)
blared "China/USA Trade Talks end as soon as they began". Some success huh?
And Trump's impact was non-existent!
Moral of the tale is real simple. Our success w/Korea, w/China and w/Iran
is more than important, it's vital. What interests the media is bullshit!
Our problems with Korea and Iran did not occur just because Trump became president, just like the trade deficit did not occur overnight. But what I do see in your opinion, which we know you are entitled to, if these talks do not go a certain way and deliver a certain way it will be because Trump in not laser focused. Looking back, it was Trump who brought Korea and China along this far. We will not get any of this solved overnight and in the past it has been our impatience which has got us bad deals.  The fact that an agreement with China has not been reached after one set of meetings show that we did not give in just to make a deal. This will not happen overnight. But, President Trump has accomplished more in foreign policy in one year than past presidents have in 24 years. He must be doing something right.

Possum

Quote from: Walter Josh on May 06, 2018, 07:25:59 PM
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Ah Liberalism; a good word corrupted by many evil people lusting for power.
The Natural Law, guided Man since 8000 BC, later reinforced by the sentiment
of Religion. In essence, Mankind had adhered to the impulse of Principled
Conservatism for almost 10,000 years, allowing him to survive and thrive.
Then the French, the catalysts for every crackpot heresy since the Fall of Rome,
inflicted their 'Enlightenment' on civilization, w/all its subversive nostrums;
among them egalitarianism spawning progressivism spawning socialism
spawning collectivism and all the rest of the isms; in the process changing the
world irrevocably and for the worse.
This ideology, w/its religious trappings, has been is place for some 300 years
and ain't going away any time soon. given the lack of awareness of its danger
by far too many easily led people. Jousting w/it is a waste of time better spent
on matters of immediate importance and impact such as Korea, China and Iran;
which deserve and need our, and more critically, Trump's laser focus.
What happened 10,000 years ago concerns me less than what is occurring here, right now. We have a party hell bent on changing our constitutional rights and creating an elite class for whom there will never be any justice served, and that in my opinion is a problem what can affect me more than the falling of rome.