Schumer Wants Delay On Tax Bill

Started by supsalemgr, December 13, 2017, 12:21:58 PM

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Quote from: s3779m on December 16, 2017, 04:52:40 AM
The congress in Texas meets every other year for 90 days. Hard to do much damage in that short of a time span. :biggrin:

And TX seems to be doing just fine.
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Quote from: supsalemgr on December 16, 2017, 05:59:26 AM
And TX seems to be doing just fine.
It would be even better if they met every 4 years. :thumbup:

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Has there ever been a time when the democrats were not demanding something?

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Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 16, 2017, 05:21:08 PM
Has there ever been a time when the democrats were not demanding something?
Yep, Dims are petulant children and the Pubs are enabling parents that gave them everything they could dream up.
then, the neighborhood went to crap because no one wanted anything to do with any of them.
TEA moved nearby, decided to start kicking these scum out, property values are finally beginning to increase and decent people are coming back.

Won't be long before all of this is a distant memory.
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Quote from: Solar on December 16, 2017, 05:28:00 PM
Yep, Dims are petulant children and the Pubs are enabling parents that gave them everything they could dream up.
then, the neighborhood went to crap because no one wanted anything to do with any of them.
TEA moved nearby, decided to start kicking these scum out, property values are finally beginning to increase and decent people are coming back.

Won't be long before all of this is a distant memory.

Political gentrification - we can all hope.

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Quote from: topside on December 18, 2017, 07:33:30 AM
Political gentrification - we can all hope.
Yep, assuming we quit creating liberals in public schools.
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Quote from: Solar on December 18, 2017, 09:37:52 AM
Yep, assuming we quit creating liberals in public schools.

Yeah - libs are pretty entrenched in education at all levels. Grade school, high school, colleges. Add unions, standardized tests, so-called educational rights, and contrived performance results to that, and you end up stamping out lib minded snowflakes who favor "soft" subjects and run from the "hard" subjects - just what the Marxists like to consume. Many swim against the current but are still stewed in the liberal soup.

How did the education system become so liberally dominated? Were the conservatives too busy with capitalism to do more altruistic work for lesser pay as teachers? Or did the libs target the admins and hire their own kind?  How can we change it?

School choice is in the right direction since those with a choice will leave the lib-led pits in droves. But most of the "educational mass" is in the current institutions - not enough capacity in the other systems. Charter / home schools are side shows at this point - valuable, but not enough capacity to affect a substantial shift in the overall education for the overall population. The capacity limit also effects the utility of vouchers.   

There is an opening with online / virtual but it's impact will be limited. The "virtual classroom" will be advanced and is in our future but a ways out yet. The libs don't own that yet. But the kids will have to congregate somewhere due to working families - and the libs will try to own that as a public service.     

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Quote from: topside on December 18, 2017, 10:31:38 AM
Yeah - libs are pretty entrenched in education at all levels. Grade school, high school, colleges. Add unions, standardized tests, so-called educational rights, and contrived performance results to that, and you end up stamping out lib minded snowflakes who favor "soft" subjects and run from the "hard" subjects - just what the Marxists like to consume. Many swim against the current but are still stewed in the liberal soup.

How did the education system become so liberally dominated? Were the conservatives too busy with capitalism to do more altruistic work for lesser pay as teachers? Or did the libs target the admins and hire their own kind?  How can we change it?

School choice is in the right direction since those with a choice will leave the lib-led pits in droves. But most of the "educational mass" is in the current institutions - not enough capacity in the other systems. Charter / home schools are side shows at this point - valuable, but not enough capacity to affect a substantial shift in the overall education for the overall population. The capacity limit also effects the utility of vouchers.   

There is an opening with online / virtual but it's impact will be limited. The "virtual classroom" will be advanced and is in our future but a ways out yet. The libs don't own that yet. But the kids will have to congregate somewhere due to working families - and the libs will try to own that as a public service.   
Teachers Unions were the nail in the coffin for the PTA, Parents Teachers Association, where teachers answered directly to the parents, principles could hire and fire on the spot.

A time when the 3 R's were of utmost concern.
Today, we have a leftist system that seized entry level jobs and made it mandatory one have some sort of college degree, and "Liberal Arts" degree  :rolleyes: was suddenly considered a legitimate accreditation for the lead pick for the job. Talk about selling a leftist lie.

They did that to all govt positions, from fire and police, to garbage collection, regardless of the fact a competing the individual may have 10 times the experience in the field, that college diploma of a lie was given weight over reality.

The left saw it as two fold in their approach in taking over the country, one being the obvious brainwashing of kids, the other, govt funding scams at every level, and today we have actual "professors" teaching Marxism as a viable alternative to free market capitalism.

Until we discredit colleges for everything, not hard science, or accredit trade schools above a useless college diploma, nothing will change.
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Quote from: Solar on December 18, 2017, 11:11:52 AM
Teachers Unions were the nail in the coffin for the PTA, Parents Teachers Association, where teachers answered directly to the parents, principles could hire and fire on the spot.

A time when the 3 R's were of utmost concern.
Today, we have a leftist system that seized entry level jobs and made it mandatory one have some sort of college degree, and "Liberal Arts" degree  :rolleyes: was suddenly considered a legitimate accreditation for the lead pick for the job. Talk about selling a leftist lie.

They did that to all govt positions, from fire and police, to garbage collection, regardless of the fact a competing the individual may have 10 times the experience in the field, that college diploma of a lie was given weight over reality.

The left saw it as two fold in their approach in taking over the country, one being the obvious brainwashing of kids, the other, govt funding scams at every level, and today we have actual "professors" teaching Marxism as a viable alternative to free market capitalism.

Until we discredit colleges for everything, not hard science, or accredit trade schools above a useless college diploma, nothing will change.

Why in the hell are kids taking high school class in college.  They should not have got out of high school.  The dumbing down of the U.S. one year at a time. 
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Quote from: topside on December 18, 2017, 10:31:38 AM
Yeah - libs are pretty entrenched in education at all levels. Grade school, high school, colleges. Add unions, standardized tests, so-called educational rights, and contrived performance results to that, and you end up stamping out lib minded snowflakes who favor "soft" subjects and run from the "hard" subjects - just what the Marxists like to consume. Many swim against the current but are still stewed in the liberal soup.

How did the education system become so liberally dominated? Were the conservatives too busy with capitalism to do more altruistic work for lesser pay as teachers? Or did the libs target the admins and hire their own kind?  How can we change it?

School choice is in the right direction since those with a choice will leave the lib-led pits in droves. But most of the "educational mass" is in the current institutions - not enough capacity in the other systems. Charter / home schools are side shows at this point - valuable, but not enough capacity to affect a substantial shift in the overall education for the overall population. The capacity limit also effects the utility of vouchers.   

There is an opening with online / virtual but it's impact will be limited. The "virtual classroom" will be advanced and is in our future but a ways out yet. The libs don't own that yet. But the kids will have to congregate somewhere due to working families - and the libs will try to own that as a public service.   
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Quote from: walkstall on December 18, 2017, 11:27:27 AM
Why in the hell are kids taking high school class in college.  They should not have got out of high school.  The dumbing down of the U.S. one year at a time.

I think I've said something similar to this before, so will be brief. I taught at a local community college - entry level algebra. It was for kids who decided, after high school, they should probably have learned something. A third figured out the material mostly on their own, a third needed my help but made the grade, and a third really didn't learn their lesson the first time and just failed again.

Anyway, about 40% of the students couldn't do multiplication - I tested them on the first day (you should have heard their whimpers - test on the first day ... I didn't count the grade - was just calibrating). They argued about how they could just use their calculators. But when it came to manipulating fractions (finding common denominators) they couldn't manipulate in their heads and would have to guess with calculators. Seriously - about 40% got out of high school without knowing their basic multiplication tables ... through the tens.

Of course, these could hardly keep up. Some wanted to put in the extra work. I asked the university to allow me to give some incompletes and take an extra semester with them at no extra cost to them or the school just as a favor to these kids. I was told no. The students are only half the problem - and that half is caused because either teachers don't or are not allowed to hold students accountable for their work in elementary and/or high school.

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Quote from: topside on December 18, 2017, 04:16:27 PM
I think I've said something similar to this before, so will be brief. I taught at a local community college - entry level algebra. It was for kids who decided, after high school, they should probably have learned something. A third figured out the material mostly on their own, a third needed my help but made the grade, and a third really didn't learn their lesson the first time and just failed again.

Anyway, about 40% of the students couldn't do multiplication - I tested them on the first day (you should have heard their whimpers - test on the first day ... I didn't count the grade - was just calibrating). They argued about how they could just use their calculators. But when it came to manipulating fractions (finding common denominators) they couldn't manipulate in their heads and would have to guess with calculators. Seriously - about 40% got out of high school without knowing their basic multiplication tables ... through the tens.

Of course, these could hardly keep up. Some wanted to put in the extra work. I asked the university to allow me to give some incompletes and take an extra semester with them at no extra cost to them or the school just as a favor to these kids. I was told no. The students are only half the problem - and that half is caused because either teachers don't or are not allowed to hold students accountable for their work in elementary and/or high school.

I hear ya!!!

My kids encounter the SAME THING at the local Community College, the only reason they start there is because it's CHEAP.
None of them have been allowed to TEST OUT of a single class.... instead they are told to act as "teaching assistants" for the kids that should have memorized the multiplication tables in 3rd grade, but didn't.  It's not a recent thing, either.   In the '80s, I gave up going after a Computer related degree - because I got pissed off having to teach, when I was there to learn.  The teachers said the same thing they say to my kids, "You're guaranteed an "A+" if you assist."   

One class the teacher *demanded*... and I mean DEMANDED I take, a programming class in BASIC.   Our first assignment was to ask for a keyboard input and then output it to the screen.  Rather than write a single line of code, I wrote about 20, including "rubouts", clear screen crap, character echos, word-wrapping if they exceeded 58 characters, all kinds of real programming "stuff" - the teacher said, "What's all this suppose to do???"  (Have you ever gotten past the IF-THEN in coding?  Seen a LOOP?)  Even though it was fully commented, she still couldn't figure out what was happening.   Wouldn't let me out of the class.   Every homework assignment I got, was completed while she was explaining it to the rest of the class... sometimes 2-3 versions, to make sure I incorporated the CODE she wanted.

From then on, I took only the classes I wanted or needed for my career - screw the degree - and got Licensed in several fields where a degree wouldn't have made a difference.  As for my kids... they're still trying to do it the hard way.  A degree is not an automatic CCNA, but without a CCNA the best you can expect is the title "janitor."


Far as Schumer, he makes a lot of "hay" over ignorance.   I'm not going to believe this TAX bill is a lock, Democrats don't just sit around and mope, crying in their beer, pining for the good-ole-days when they're not in the majority.   Nope, he's scheming, planning, and probably would BRIBE Murkowski & Collins to flip to "No" votes - it's the "We won, didn't we?" (Harry Reid), who cares HOW they did, they don't.
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