Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 12, 2012, 09:43:47 PM
I wasn't comparing.  Just pointing out the false ad.  When i watched it I wondered why they cut away from the subject at hand to something else.

To understand the 75% equation, you need to know how many employees were working at the time.
But when compared to the amount of jobs Bain created in the same time span, makes this a moot point.

All the jobs Hussein created, were either Govt jobs, which are nothing but a drain on the economy,
or were paid for by the taxpayer (alternative energy), again, a drain on the countries treasury.

Now which one would you rather have in the WH?

Quote from: tbone0106 on July 12, 2012, 09:39:29 PM
I wonder how many times Mitt Romney and Bain Capital took $535 million from strangers -- using the threat of arrest and/or prosecution and/or violence -- and gave it to, say, a fly-by-night solar-cell company that went bankrupt a year later and took their 1,100 jobs to China.

Allow Mr. Romney to explain things:

Mitt Romney Crashes Solyndra With Press Conference 5/31/12

After listening He said that 'it was all public record', which is how I believe the post got their information. 

Thanks for the video, T.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 12, 2012, 09:55:32 PM
I'm a full time Medic now, but still in school as well, will eventually be a PA.

You will eventually be a Pennsylvania?!

Quote from: Solar on July 12, 2012, 09:57:08 PM
To understand the 75% equation, you need to know how many employees were working at the time.
But when compared to the amount of jobs Bain created in the same time span, makes this a moot point.

All the jobs Hussein created, were either Govt jobs, which are nothing but a drain on the economy,
or were paid for by the taxpayer (alternative energy), again, a drain on the countries treasury.

Now which one would you rather have in the WH?

I don't believe it "moot" if Rom is calling someone a Liar and saying He wasn't at the helm during the outsourcing, especially if He actually was. 


And neither of them.

You know, I'd like to see a Woman in the White House.  I know it wouldn't make a real difference, when speaking of Corporate owned America, but I'd like to see some misogynists get really pissed off.   

Quote from: tbone0106 on July 12, 2012, 10:04:31 PM
You will eventually be a Pennsylvania?!

Yep. Right after I'm a Delaware. 

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 12, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
I don't believe it "moot" if Rom is calling someone a Liar and saying He wasn't at the helm during the outsourcing, especially if He actually was. 


And neither of them.

You know, I'd like to see a Woman in the White House.  I know it wouldn't make a real difference, when speaking of Corporate owned America, but I'd like to see some misogynists get really pissed off.   

Here is where you start going off track again.  Where did Romney say he never outsourced?  If you can't produce it, then please retract.

Quote from: taxed on July 12, 2012, 11:24:22 PM
Here is where you start going off track again.  Where did Romney say he never outsourced?  If you can't produce it, then please retract.

Im not going off track, You just have to read a bit Taxi.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/adwatch-romney-ad-accuses-obama-campaign-of-dishonest-attacks-on-outsourcing/2012/07/12/gJQA67C9fW_story.html


"The Romney campaign has said the evidence the Obama team has used in its attacks is from AFTER Romney left Bain in 1999. Romney INSISTS job outsourcing was not a Bain policy when he was IN CHARGE."




And then, if You read on it says-



"Yet in one case, the Bain-controlled Holson Burnes Group Inc. specifically told federal regulators it outsourced manufacturing of 75 percent of its photo frames to "Far Eastern countries," including China, Taiwan, Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia. The company said it "significantly strengthened its relationship with those sources" in the late 1980s and early 1990s, according to Securities and Exchange Commission documents filed in March 1993, when Romney was at the company's HELM."



So unless being at the "Helm" of the company doesn't mean He's stirring the ship then Rom, who "approved" that message, should be the one to "retract" his " misleading, unfair, and untrue" ad .   

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 12, 2012, 11:40:12 PM


Im not going off track, You just have to read a bit Taxi.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/adwatch-romney-ad-accuses-obama-campaign-of-dishonest-attacks-on-outsourcing/2012/07/12/gJQA67C9fW_story.html


"The Romney campaign has said the evidence the Obama team has used in its attacks is from AFTER Romney left Bain in 1999. Romney INSISTS job outsourcing was not a Bain policy when he was IN CHARGE."




And then, if You read on it says-



"Yet in one case, the Bain-controlled Holson Burnes Group Inc. specifically told federal regulators it outsourced manufacturing of 75 percent of its photo frames to "Far Eastern countries," including China, Taiwan, Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia. The company said it "significantly strengthened its relationship with those sources" in the late 1980s and early 1990s, according to Securities and Exchange Commission documents filed in March 1993, when Romney was at the company's HELM."



So unless being at the "Helm" of the company doesn't mean He's stirring the ship then Rom, who "approved" that message, should be the one to "retract" his " misleading, unfair, and untrue" ad .   

It's like the harder you try, the harder you fail.  Where did Romney say he never outsourced.  If it's not your policy, you can still outsource.  Outsourcing wasn't my policy, but I have outsourced before.

Please, I beg of you, be smarter.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 12, 2012, 11:40:12 PM


Im not going off track, You just have to read a bit Taxi.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/adwatch-romney-ad-accuses-obama-campaign-of-dishonest-attacks-on-outsourcing/2012/07/12/gJQA67C9fW_story.html


"The Romney campaign has said the evidence the Obama team has used in its attacks is from AFTER Romney left Bain in 1999. Romney INSISTS job outsourcing was not a Bain policy when he was IN CHARGE."




And then, if You read on it says-



"Yet in one case, the Bain-controlled Holson Burnes Group Inc. specifically told federal regulators it outsourced manufacturing of 75 percent of its photo frames to "Far Eastern countries," including China, Taiwan, Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia. The company said it "significantly strengthened its relationship with those sources" in the late 1980s and early 1990s, according to Securities and Exchange Commission documents filed in March 1993, when Romney was at the company's HELM."



So unless being at the "Helm" of the company doesn't mean He's stirring the ship then Rom, who "approved" that message, should be the one to "retract" his " misleading, unfair, and untrue" ad .   

So what if they outsourced? If they hadn't, the companies likely would have failed.

Newsflash: Thanks to our government and the unions....................it sucks to try to do business in the US.

This is yet another ball that Romney should grab and run with. Get the government out of the way, and outsourcing will no longer be necessary.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 12, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
I don't believe it "moot" if Rom is calling someone a Liar and saying He wasn't at the helm during the outsourcing, especially if He actually was. 


And neither of them.

You know, I'd like to see a Woman in the White House.  I know it wouldn't make a real difference, when speaking of Corporate owned America, but I'd like to see some misogynists get really pissed off.   

Here is the problem, you have a sound bite with no actual numbers, other than a clam of 75%.
What is that 75% of, how many employees were actually doing that job, 4 or 5 people?
Bain did not own the company either, they held paper in the company, they were not running the company, they were share holders.
As a share holder, you can't dictate what the company does, you have a vote as do other people invested in the company, you may suggest who the company CEO hires, but the intricate workings of the company are not under the control of the share holders.
You're trying to stretch a claim that somehow Bain themselves did this, they did not, this was a company they held stock in.

Hussein by comparison Stole Billions from our treasury to promote his own brand of socialism through his supporters, yet you want to focus on a non issue?

Quote from: taxed on July 13, 2012, 12:00:25 AM
It's like the harder you try, the harder you fail.  Where did Romney say he never outsourced.  If it's not your policy, you can still outsource.  Outsourcing wasn't my policy, but I have outsourced before.

Please, I beg of you, be smarter.

Oh, being that it wasn't "policy" it's ok that He outsourced. LOL.  But wait a minute, His campaign still said


" the evidence the Obama team has used in its attacks is from AFTER Romney left Bain in 1999"


But the evidence was actually from


"1993, when Romney was at the company's HELM."

Quote from: kramarat on July 13, 2012, 04:36:08 AM
So what if they outsourced?

Read above.


He doesnt seem like he's being honest about it.

Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2012, 06:09:31 AM

You're trying to stretch a claim that somehow Bain themselves did this, they did not, this was a company they held stock in.

Hussein by comparison Stole Billions from our treasury to promote his own brand of socialism through his supporters, yet you want to focus on a non issue?

Im not stretching anything, it says the "Bain-controlled Holson Burnes Group Inc", and "Romney was at the Helm." No stretching is necessary here.

Obama has allowed much corruption, I agree, and, IMO, it looks like Rom will too.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 13, 2012, 08:56:26 AM

Read above.


He doesnt seem like he's being honest about it.

I read to this part and stopped. Romney's companies were pioneers in outsourcing U.S. jobs to low-wage countries," a recent Obama ad said.

No sense continuing. These were not Romney's companies. Bain loaned them money. The line from the Obama ad is a lie.

Quote from: kramarat on July 13, 2012, 09:03:32 AM
I read to this part and stopped. Romney's companies were pioneers in outsourcing U.S. jobs to low-wage countries," a recent Obama ad said.

No sense continuing. These were not Romney's companies. Bain loaned them money. The line from the Obama ad is a lie.

You should read the article it explains what Im talking about.  The Romney Campaign seems to be lying.