Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 15, 2020, 05:05:47 AM
This is why I asked "clouded" for the verbatim Statute. Laws are sometimes intentionally worded in such thick legalese it takes a platoon of lawyers to figure it out.  Guarantee's them a source of income.

Outside of the corruption trump is cleaning, I think that our deliberately over-complex legal system is the worst problem facing America because so many other problems stem from it. I was raised to really hate lawyers.

In the movie back to the future (the second one where they go to the future) doc explains that the legal system works very quickly ever since they abolished lawyers, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EMv24dg2E0

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 15, 2020, 05:23:41 AM
I'm not overlooking the 2nd amendment.  Unfortunately unconstitutional laws still apply. By your theory, of which I agree with by the way,  I could by a Tommy gun without a background check or special permission from the government. You keep saying he was protecting his property and he wasn't.  At this point we will have to see what happens. Rittenhouse is in custody and has lawyers. There were multiple laws broken by multiple people. The most annoying thing about the whole situation is why aren't all the rioters in jail? They committed worse crimes than Rittenhouse.

Well as my grandma sometime says, "We will have to just agree, to disagree"

Quote from: T Hunt on September 15, 2020, 05:28:11 AM
Well as my grandma sometime says, "We will have to just agree, to disagree"

I agree we disagree. No hard feelings.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 15, 2020, 05:05:47 AM
This is why I asked "clouded" for the verbatim Statute.  Laws are sometimes intentionally worded in such thick legalese it takes a platoon of lawyers to figure it out.  Guarantee's them a source of income.

No question, and that's exactly what this is.  3(c) (modified relatively recently) would only apply to Kyle if he were in violation of any of those three statues within.  Therefore, that section completely clears him.

Quote from: taxed on September 15, 2020, 07:50:02 AM
No question, and that's exactly what this is.  3(c) (modified relatively recently) would only apply to Kyle if he were in violation of any of those three statues within.  Therefore, that section completely clears him.

3c clears him of a felony. 2a still applies and is a misdemeanor.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 15, 2020, 08:59:56 AM
3c clears him of a felony. 2a still applies and is a misdemeanor.

Wrong. 3(c) clears him OF THE ENTIRE SECTION.

Quote from: taxed on September 15, 2020, 09:00:47 AM
Wrong. 3(c) clears him OF THE ENTIRE SECTION.

No it does not. 3c is felony charges. 2a is misdemeanor charge.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 15, 2020, 09:02:25 AM
No it does not. 3c is felony charges. 2a is misdemeanor charge.

Wrong.

Quote from: taxed on September 15, 2020, 09:02:45 AM
Wrong.

Yes you are wrong

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 15, 2020, 09:06:05 AM
Yes you are wrong

Nope. 3(c) is clear.  "This section only applies...".  948.60 is the "section".  It only applies to those violating those three statues.  Rittenhouse violated none of them.  Therefore, 948.60 doesn't apply to Rittenhouse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DpMwDgxC-I

Quote from: taxed on September 15, 2020, 09:09:28 AM
Nope. 3(c) is clear.  "This section only applies...".  948.60 is the "section".  It only applies to those violating those three statues.  Rittenhouse violated none of them.  Therefore, 948.60 doesn't apply to Rittenhouse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DpMwDgxC-I

It is  very clear. 2a is misdemeanor and 3c is felony charges. I guess we will see what happens when this goes to trial. Meanwhile Rittenhouse is locked in a cell. Another thing will be who owned the rifle he had. If borrowed the loaner faces a felony. If Rittenhouse says it's his and brought it with him he will face felony charges in Illinois.
Just to be clear I don't disagree with Rittenhouse defending himself. I agree he will beat 4 of the 5 charges on him now. The rest of the story is what we will see. Like THunt said at this point all we agree on is that we disagree.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 15, 2020, 10:05:18 AM
It is  very clear. 2a is misdemeanor and 3c is felony charges. I guess we will see what happens when this goes to trial. Meanwhile Rittenhouse is locked in a cell. Another thing will be who owned the rifle he had. If borrowed the loaner faces a felony. If Rittenhouse says it's his and brought it with him he will face felony charges in Illinois.

3(c) is clear. Rittenhouse is in the clear on the ENTIRE SECTION.

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Just to be clear I don't disagree with Rittenhouse defending himself. I agree he will beat 4 of the 5 charges on him now. The rest of the story is what we will see. Like THunt said at this point all we agree on is that we disagree.

He'll beat them all.

Quote from: taxed on September 15, 2020, 10:10:55 AM
3(c) is clear. Rittenhouse is in the clear on the ENTIRE SECTION.
He'll beat them all.

Again 2a is very clear Rittenhouse is guilty of a misdemeanor possession of a dangerous weapon. It's also clear that 3c says Rittenhouse isn't guilty of felony possession of a dangerous weapon.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 15, 2020, 10:22:15 AM
Again 2a is very clear Rittenhouse is guilty of a misdemeanor possession of a dangerous weapon. It's also clear that 3c says Rittenhouse isn't guilty of felony possession of a dangerous weapon.

Incorrect. You're making stuff up.

Quote from: taxed on September 15, 2020, 12:32:14 PM
Incorrect. You're making stuff up.

I'm not making up anything. 2a misdemeanor 3c felony