We need to understand what this is about.  It's not about foreign policy or national security. It's not about America or Israel. It's not even about nuclear weapons.

It's about legacy. It's about ego.

This is about Barrack Obama and John Kerry establishing a legacy.

The two of them want to be known for accomplishing what no one else could accomplish. Stopping Iran from getting the bomb. Regardless of how bad or naive the deal is they just want the piece of paper so they can do the Neville Chamberlain wave.

This is dangerous.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 03, 2015, 05:10:55 PM
We need to understand what this is about.  It's not about foreign policy or national security. It's not about America or Israel. It's not even about nuclear weapons.

It's about legacy. It's about ego.

This is about Barrack Obama and John Kerry establishing a legacy.

The two of them want to be known for accomplishing what no one else could accomplish. Stopping Iran from getting the bomb. Regardless of how bad or naive the deal is they just want the piece of paper so they can do the Neville Chamberlain wave.

This is dangerous.

They will not stop the war that will come.  They will just put if off until they are bigger and stronger.  One does not kiss the Enemy Ass and think they have solved their problems of years of aggression.

Where are all the Sunni Arab countries like Saudi Arabia in this?  They're as afraid of Iran as Israel is. 

Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 03, 2015, 05:10:55 PM
We need to understand what this is about.  It's not about foreign policy or national security. It's not about America or Israel. It's not even about nuclear weapons.

It's about legacy. It's about ego.

This is about Barrack Obama and John Kerry establishing a legacy.

The two of them want to be known for accomplishing what no one else could accomplish. Stopping Iran from getting the bomb. Regardless of how bad or naive the deal is they just want the piece of paper so they can do the Neville Chamberlain wave.

This is dangerous.

-Orchestrated by Jarrett, IMO. 

Chamberlain didn't have a closet German-nationalist as his chief-of-staff, I don't think.  He may've.   

Quote from: Dori on March 03, 2015, 06:37:14 PM
Where are all the Sunni Arab countries like Saudi Arabia in this?  They're as afraid of Iran as Israel is.

I don't think Israel is "afraid" of Iran.

Notwithstanding what our gutless wonders in Washington D.C. do or don't do, I'm fairly certain that Israel has a contingency plan in place (and well practiced) to ensure that Iran does not get the Bomb.

I also believe that none of our units in Iraq would fire on Israeli aircraft that were transiting Iraq to attack Iran's nuclear weapons facilities.

I know I wouldn't. They could throw me in the brig and court martial me.

Everybody calm down.  Bibi has done what he came here to do and I do believe he had spiritual guidance in doing so.  If any of you know of what I'm speaking, Israel will not be destroyed.  It is the "Promised Land" and as such it has a particular place in the history of time.  It will never be completely destroyed and B.N. is doing what he feels he has to do.  One thing stands out, most every nation wants to destroy Israel, even members of this administration are siding with whatever the enemy wants from Israel, all in the name of so called fairness which will quickly be forgotten by Iran once it gets nuclear abilities that it wants.  Iran has made themselves clear on more than one occasion as wanting to destroy Israel.  That hasn't changed but no matter how many nations line up against her I believe Israel will be saved tho it will take a devine act to do so.  I think that B.N. sees that this is the time when he has to know who will be on deck to help, seeing as how the WH cares more for it's meetings with Iranians than it does with our most staunch ally, Israel. 

I know this post belongs in the religious forum but let's face it, some would never see it if it were there.

Quote from: Darth Fife on March 04, 2015, 03:22:17 PM
I don't think Israel is "afraid" of Iran.

Notwithstanding what our gutless wonders in Washington D.C. do or don't do, I'm fairly certain that Israel has a contingency plan in place (and well practiced) to ensure that Iran does not get the Bomb.

I also believe that none of our units in Iraq would fire on Israeli aircraft that were transiting Iraq to attack Iran's nuclear weapons facilities.

I know I wouldn't. They could throw me in the brig and court martial me.

Israeli aircraft involved in a bombing-run over Iran would have to continue-on to India, wouldn't they? 

Midair-refueling or landing in Saudi Arabia to refuel, isn't an option.  But I think that India & Israel have already signed a 'safe haven' treaty, years ago.  (from an article on Janes Defense Weekly, or StrategyPage)

Quote from: kit saginaw on March 05, 2015, 02:41:59 PM
Israeli aircraft involved in a bombing-run over Iran would have to continue-on to India, wouldn't they? 

Midair-refueling or landing in Saudi Arabia to refuel, isn't an option.  But I think that India & Israel have already signed a 'safe haven' treaty, years ago.  (from an article on Janes Defense Weekly, or StrategyPage)

I would not be surprised if the Saudis would allow landing rights. They are logical and understand Israel is no threat as long as they are not a threat to Israel. Iran is another whole matter to the Saudis. Remember, it is all about the money.

Quote from: kit saginaw on March 05, 2015, 02:41:59 PM
Israeli aircraft involved in a bombing-run over Iran would have to continue-on to India, wouldn't they? 

Midair-refueling or landing in Saudi Arabia to refuel, isn't an option.  But I think that India & Israel have already signed a 'safe haven' treaty, years ago.  (from an article on Janes Defense Weekly, or StrategyPage)

How far away are the reactor sites from Israel?  Do the bombers come off of a carrier or from inside Israel? 

Not to change the subject, but I heard yesterday on tv that Obama cut off any exchange of sensitive information with Israel.  Anyone else heard that?

Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 03, 2015, 05:10:55 PM
We need to understand what this is about.  It's not about foreign policy or national security. It's not about America or Israel. It's not even about nuclear weapons.

It's about legacy. It's about ego.

This is about Barrack Obama and John Kerry establishing a legacy.

The two of them want to be known for accomplishing what no one else could accomplish. Stopping Iran from getting the bomb. Regardless of how bad or naive the deal is they just want the piece of paper so they can do the Neville Chamberlain wave.

This is dangerous.

I agree with you about every point you've raise.  It's also about what everything with this President is about: POLITICS!   They just want any deal before the election, so Obama can declare having "achieved Peace in our Time".  The politics either shakes out that John Kerry becomes the 'Heir Apparent' or both Obama and Kerry annoint someone who they declare is on the same page as them and will continue to do the historic work that (they) have begun! (the only one who can keep us safe)   At this point, since he can't run again, it's about having an allie as the next President, who's not only a Liberl Democrat, but who wants to transform America into the same sort of place Obama and his Daddy (and Frank Marshall Davis) dream of.

The hyperbola of the Left Wing Media about the greatness of Obama's policies saving us from the worse crisis this nation has ever faced, would set the stage for someone who praised Obama and vowed to carry on his policies!  Remember, Nevell Chamberlain actually achieved "Peace in our Time" and was cheered as a savior of the world...right up until Hitler invaded Poland (Blitzkrig).

Hell, I wouldn't put it past Kerry and Obama to make a deal with the Iranians that they wait on attacking Israel until after the election and they would shoot down any attacking Israeli planes!

They are not really gambling on whether they create WWIII, they are probably making contingency plans for what they will do to continue the transformation of America after this crisis!  (Never let a crisis go to waste),  This sets the stage for extreme measures and justifies all sorts of unilateral executive actions:  Hell, maybe even a third term, just like FDR got duing WWII.  What's preventing him;  An ammendment to the Constitution that he blatantly ignors?  Hell, the Constitution also says the President must be a natural born citizen!

http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/amendments/22/essays/184/presidential-term-limit

Unlike Hitler they don't hate the jews, they just see the ends justify the means and probably bet that our nukes will keep us safe!  (no doubt their Muscum Brotherhood has them conviced that removing Israel would be a final solution for the problem in the Middle East and that after that we can achieve the same sort of detente as we had with a nuclear armed Soviet Union! Hell, Obama and Kerry say that we had a cold war with a nuclear armed Soviet Union, so what's the difference if the Iranian's have one.  We can all get along in a Kumbya world (maybe without the jews and Israel, but hey...something's got to give)

Quote from: Dori on March 06, 2015, 07:31:43 AM
How far away are the reactor sites from Israel?  Do the bombers come off of a carrier or from inside Israel? 

Not to change the subject, but I heard yesterday on tv that Obama cut off any exchange of sensitive information with Israel.  Anyone else heard that?

The bombers launch from Israel - probably Ben Gurion Airport.

Israel doesn't have any aircraft carriers.

Quote from: Dori on March 06, 2015, 07:31:43 AM
How far away are the reactor sites from Israel?  Do the bombers come off of a carrier or from inside Israel? 

Not to change the subject, but I heard yesterday on tv that Obama cut off any exchange of sensitive information with Israel.  Anyone else heard that?

It would be 988-miles from Tel Aviv to Tehran.  And they'd come from a base on the ground...

No, I haven't heard about the cutoff, but the Arab countries are also worried that America will abandon their interests in favor of an Iran-deal as well, so I bet Israel will receive intelligence from them... if needed.

Quote from: Dori on March 06, 2015, 07:31:43 AM
How far away are the reactor sites from Israel?  Do the bombers come off of a carrier or from inside Israel? 

Not to change the subject, but I heard yesterday on tv that Obama cut off any exchange of sensitive information with Israel.  Anyone else heard that?

Dori, this was what we knew at the end of the Bush Administration. Who knows what the Iranians have been allowed to do during the last six and a half years!  Just this year, the UN says thay have heard of two "previously" undisclosed sites and they are "underground".  There have been reports that the Iranians have been 'hardening' all their sites and that some key facilities have been located within residential areas (so any attack will cause as much collateral damage as possibile).  Remember this is the same regime that sent wave attacks of unarmed women and children in front oftheir soldiers to clear mines, (by blowing up and attaining Martyrdom) during the Iran/Iraq war against Saddam Hussain!

Quote from: kit saginaw on March 06, 2015, 08:28:33 AM
It would be 988-miles from Tel Aviv to Tehran.  And they'd come from a base on the ground...

No, I haven't heard about the cutoff, but the Arab countries are also worried that America will abandon their interests in favor of an Iran-deal as well, so I bet Israel will receive intelligence from them... if needed.

Now, that assumes that they would use aircraft.

I'd have to research it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Israel had intermediate range ballistic missiles (both conventional and nuclear) that could hit any point in Iran.