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Neil Gorsuch - A Pivotal Week For Republicans
« on: March 20, 2017, 05:42:23 AM »
Senate hearings for the confirmation of Gorsuch begin this week. This is a very important week, especially for McConnell. He has promised Gorsuch will be confirmed. On the surface it appears democrats are going to resist. McConnell will have to show some courage. Trump has suggested the nuclear option if the democrats try to stop the nomination. McConnell cannot hide from this and we will all be looking for his leadership.
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Re: Neil Gorsuch - A Pivotal Week For Republicans
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2017, 05:52:26 AM »
McCONnel wants the guy? That right there should be enough proof this whole process is nothing more than show.
No single individual has shown Gorsuch to be a solid Conservative, all they've proven so far is he has a clean slate, the RINO love him, the Dims feign abhorrence and in the end, he'll be confirmed.
I'm not saying Gorsuch is a lib or Con, no one really knows, but what we do know is people with his record have screwed us once seated.
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Re: Neil Gorsuch - A Pivotal Week For Republicans
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2017, 02:12:48 PM »
McCONnel wants the guy? That right there should be enough proof this whole process is nothing more than show.
No single individual has shown Gorsuch to be a solid Conservative, all they've proven so far is he has a clean slate, the RINO love him, the Dims feign abhorrence and in the end, he'll be confirmed.
I'm not saying Gorsuch is a lib or Con, no one really knows, but what we do know is people with his record have screwed us once seated.
I agree I don't know much about him but his history looks good and besides the RINO's loving him Cruz and other true conservatives do to. That is a very good sign!

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Re: Neil Gorsuch - A Pivotal Week For Republicans
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2017, 03:06:42 PM »
It would make more sense for dems to oppose the replacement for  a  liberal justice, though Trump would be wise to replace a hard lefty with a  moderate.

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Re: Neil Gorsuch - A Pivotal Week For Republicans
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2017, 03:20:07 PM »
It would make more sense for dems to oppose the replacement for  a  liberal justice, though Trump would be wise to replace a hard lefty with a  moderate.

With both houses and the WH.  WHY go for a moderate unless your a RINO. 
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Re: Neil Gorsuch - A Pivotal Week For Republicans
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2017, 04:31:16 PM »
With both houses and the WH.  WHY go for a moderate unless your a RINO.

I think it would sail through quickly and  i would be happy to have a far left loon replaced with someone that looks at  both sides. For instance, Sandra O'Conner would be a huge win over Ginsburg.

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Re: Neil Gorsuch - A Pivotal Week For Republicans
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2017, 04:33:22 PM »
With both houses and the WH.  WHY go for a moderate unless your a RINO.
If the Dim's continue their games and force the use of the Reid rule (nuclear Option) That will be the new standard! Why would the Right wing of our party or Trump for that matter accept anything less them another conservative constitutionalist?

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Re: Neil Gorsuch - A Pivotal Week For Republicans
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2017, 04:59:51 PM »
I agree I don't know much about him but his history looks good and besides the RINO's loving him Cruz and other true conservatives do to. That is a very good sign!
Cruz doesn't know any more than the rest of us outside of his education and that may be enough for them to let what little record he has, slide through.
They pulled the same shit with Roberts, whom also had a stellar record of nothing outside of good grades in school.
Just because he doesn't have any marks against his record simply means he has yet to be challenged, something not worth gambling the SCOTUS appointment on.
Anytime Mc CONnel likes someone, you can bet there's a payoff going on somewhere and it's not benefitting Conservatives.
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Re: Neil Gorsuch - A Pivotal Week For Republicans
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2017, 05:00:23 PM »
It would make more sense for dems to oppose the replacement for  a  liberal justice, though Trump would be wise to replace a hard lefty with a  moderate.
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Re: Neil Gorsuch - A Pivotal Week For Republicans
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2017, 05:55:53 PM »
I disagree a bit. The GOP has nothing to lose. They have the majority, there will be a few democrats that vote for Gorsuch and Trump has McConnell's back if it comes to the nuclear option. McConnell doesn't have to be brave...or scared.

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Re: Neil Gorsuch - A Pivotal Week For Republicans
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2017, 07:08:50 PM »
Gorsuch will sail through, this is just more Kabuki so both party's can claim they're fighting for their constituency.
Truth is, the Dims don't hate him, and that should be the real red flag despite their faux protestations.

No one is asking the real question, that if we can appoint anyone we want, why in the fuck aren't they promoting a true Conservative?
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Re: Neil Gorsuch - A Pivotal Week For Republicans
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2017, 07:25:09 PM »
Gorsuch will sail through, this is just more Kabuki so both party's can claim they're fighting for their constituency.
Truth is, the Dims don't hate him, and that should be the real red flag despite their faux protestations.

No one is asking the real question, that if we can appoint anyone we want, why in the fuck aren't they promoting a true Conservative?

I watched the hearings and the democrats did their usual grandstanding however each of them listed many cases to which they disagreed with Gorsuch's ruling. I researched them and each time Gorsuch simply upheld the law as written by congress. That's what we want a conservative judge to do.

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Re: Neil Gorsuch - A Pivotal Week For Republicans
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2017, 08:04:47 PM »
Okay, we do not have a lot to go on when it comes to anticipating how Gorsuch will behave as a SCOTUS justice. However, the information we do have is mostly positive.  One item comes from a speech Grosuch gave at the Case Western Reserve University School of Law on April 15, 2016. Here is what Gorsuch has to say about the role of justices in regards to law and the Constitution:
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First, consider the Constitution. Judges, after all, must do more than merely consider it. They take an oath to uphold it. So any theory of judging (in this country at least) must be measured against that foundational duty. Yet it seems to me those who would have judges
behave like legislators, imposing their moral convictions and utility calculi on others, face an uphill battle when it comes to reconciling their judicial philosophy with our founding document.

Consider what happened at the constitutional convention. There the framers expressly debated a proposal that would have incorporated the judiciary into a “council of revision” with sweeping powers to review and veto congressional legislation. A proposal that would have afforded
judges the very sorts of legislative powers that some of Justice Scalia’s critics would have them assume now. But that proposal went down to defeat at the hands of those who took the traditional view that judges should expound upon the law only as it comes before them, free from the bias of having participated in its creation and from the burden of having to decide “the policy of public measures.”  In place of a system that mixed legislative and judicial powers, the framers quite deliberately chose one that carefully separated them. The Constitution itself reflects this choice in its very design, devoting distinct articles to the “legislative Power[]”19 and the “judicial Power,” creating separate institutions for each, and treating those powers in contradistinction. Neither were these separate categories empty ones to the founding generation. Informed by a hard earned intellectual inheritance—one perhaps equal parts English common law experience and Enlightenment philosophy—the founders understood
the legislative power as the power to prescribe new rules of general applicability for the future. A power properly guided by the will of the people acting through their representatives, a task avowedly political in nature, and one unbound by the past except to the extent that any piece of legislation must of course conform to the higher law of the Constitution itself...
http://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4658&context=caselrev

Of note is this speech took place at a time when the assumption was that Trump would be easily defeated in the general election, so these words can not be assumed to have been written and uttered to placate conservative naysayers should he be nominated to the Court.

Looking at his history on the 10th Circuit Court, Gorsuch seems, at least from what I have read, to consistently come down on the conservative side of issues.
www.denverpost.com/2017/02/02/neil-gorsuch-supreme-court-key-rulings
https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/politics/read-the-words-of-supreme-court-nominee-neil-gorsuch/2161/?tid=a_inl

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Re: Neil Gorsuch - A Pivotal Week For Republicans
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2017, 08:19:27 PM »
I watched the hearings and the democrats did their usual grandstanding however each of them listed many cases to which they disagreed with Gorsuch's ruling. I researched them and each time Gorsuch simply upheld the law as written by congress. That's what we want a conservative judge to do.
If that's the measure being used that would be great, but it's not because he doesn't really have a history to look at which is my biggest concern.
Keep in mind, Dims voted to support his placement on the Tenth Circuit court of appeals.

With Gorsuch, like with most lower court judges, there is nothing clearly indicating he would have the boldness of a Clarence Thomas to wipe away bad precedent across the board. As a result, Gorsuch probably won’t inspire as much confidence as some of the more outspoken conservative circuit judges would have. Then again, there are very few Clarence Thomases. Gorsuch could very well be an Alito, which is solid enough. But if conservatives have just one opportunity at this, it would be worthwhile to first vet him before we go nuclear and fight Democrats.

Remember, Gorsuch was confirmed to the Tenth Circuit by a unanimous voice vote during an era when Democrats were vociferously fighting the nominations of Brown, Owen, Estrada and many others. That in itself should not be held against him, and Democrats will definitely besmirch him as a SCOTUS nominee (as they would any nominee at this point)/ They usually, however don’t allow Clarence Thomas types to sail through to appeals courts seats either. I hope I’m wrong, but given the one-directional inertia of the elite legal field, it is very rare for someone to turn out as a Clarence Thomas if you don’t see it coming ahead of time.

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/01/7-reasons-neil-gorsuchs-nomination-is-only-the-beginning-of-taking-back-the-judiciary
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Re: Neil Gorsuch - A Pivotal Week For Republicans
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2017, 09:24:45 AM »
I have been watching part of the senate hearing this morning and, quite frankly, I find it nauseating. I believe these hearings are worthless and nothing more than an opportunity pompous senators to pontificate. This applies to both sides of the aisle. These nominees are not going to give any indication of how they would rule on any specific case or issue. It would save a lot of time if there not be public hearings and senators would have to do their own research and then vote.
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