The name alone tells us why it will never become law.

The FAIR tax plan.

Quote from: AmericanFlyer on November 23, 2010, 08:09:12 PM
The name alone tells us why it will never become law.

The FAIR tax plan.

As people learn about it, they get on board.  It is becoming more popular, not less.

OK, I have been a member of a number of labor unions, starting with the Teamsters in 1973. Yeah, I know, I'm old...

Wow. I'm REALLY old...

The Teamsters struck the plant where I worked in 1974. They promised to pay me $25 per week if I'd help with picketing. I picketed. I didn't get paid. It was the only time in my life I had to use food stamps. It was the first time a union screwed me -- but it wasn't the last.

It took me a while to understand it, but in the union world, things have to be broken down into really small bits. Unions are all about "inclusiveness," and that requires that things be really simple. Every job, every position, must be constructed so that the least capable of our members can do it.

For those of you who have no experience with unions, just think about your BMV, or DMV or whatever they call it where you live, the place you go to get a driver's license. Do they test your intelligence? No. Do they measure your physical abilities? Other than eyesight, no. Do they even ask you to speak English? No. So at the BMV/DMV/whatever, you're good to go if you can stand upright, see well enough to find the place, and make noise with your mouth. Think about this -- the stupidest person you know has a driver's license, and is legally entitled to propel 3,000 pounds of steel down the highway at 65 mph.

THAT is the union mentality.

I've been a member of the Teamsters' union, the AFL-CIO, the Steelworkers union, on and on. I retired out of LIUNA, the Laborers' International Union of North America. (Grand name, eh?) They're all the same.

For decades, my wages have been "trimmed" to pay my union dues, and those dues have been spent by my union -- against my will -- to support Democrats. ONLY Democrats. My money has been spent, little by little, to support politicians that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire.

Yes, I have to admit it. My money was spent to elect Barack Hussein Obama.

Man, I gotta go wash my fingers. I can't believe what I just typed! EWWWW!

Quote from: tbone0106 on November 24, 2010, 03:41:56 AM
OK, I have been a member of a number of labor unions, starting with the Teamsters in 1973. Yeah, I know, I'm old...


I've been a member of the Teamsters' union, the AFL-CIO, the Steelworkers union, on and on. I retired out of LIUNA, the Laborers' International Union of North America. (Grand name, eh?) They're all the same.

For decades, my wages have been "trimmed" to pay my union dues, and those dues have been spent by my union -- against my will -- to support Democrats. ONLY Democrats. My money has been spent, little by little, to support politicians that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire.

Yes, I have to admit it. My money was spent to elect Barack Hussein Obama.

Man, I gotta go wash my fingers. I can't believe what I just typed! EWWWW!

This is one of the things about the government unions that irritates me the most.  They would use my money to support people I would never vote for.  Personally I don't think "Government" unions should be allowed to financially support any candidate - I see it as a conflict of interest.  8) 8)

Oh and make sure you scrub really hard and use really hot water... ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: tbone0106 on November 24, 2010, 03:41:56 AM
OK, I have been a member of a number of labor unions, starting with the Teamsters in 1973. Yeah, I know, I'm old...

Wow. I'm REALLY old...

The Teamsters struck the plant where I worked in 1974. They promised to pay me $25 per week if I'd help with picketing. I picketed. I didn't get paid. It was the only time in my life I had to use food stamps. It was the first time a union screwed me -- but it wasn't the last.

It took me a while to understand it, but in the union world, things have to be broken down into really small bits. Unions are all about "inclusiveness," and that requires that things be really simple. Every job, every position, must be constructed so that the least capable of our members can do it.

For those of you who have no experience with unions, just think about your BMV, or DMV or whatever they call it where you live, the place you go to get a driver's license. Do they test your intelligence? No. Do they measure your physical abilities? Other than eyesight, no. Do they even ask you to speak English? No. So at the BMV/DMV/whatever, you're good to go if you can stand upright, see well enough to find the place, and make noise with your mouth. Think about this -- the stupidest person you know has a driver's license, and is legally entitled to propel 3,000 pounds of steel down the highway at 65 mph.

THAT is the union mentality.

I've been a member of the Teamsters' union, the AFL-CIO, the Steelworkers union, on and on. I retired out of LIUNA, the Laborers' International Union of North America. (Grand name, eh?) They're all the same.

For decades, my wages have been "trimmed" to pay my union dues, and those dues have been spent by my union -- against my will -- to support Democrats. ONLY Democrats. My money has been spent, little by little, to support politicians that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire.

Yes, I have to admit it. My money was spent to elect Barack Hussein Obama.

Man, I gotta go wash my fingers. I can't believe what I just typed! EWWWW!

tbone, you hit it out of the ballpark!  Labor unions had their time and place, but that time and place passed a long time ago.  When labor unions became counterproductive, adversarial to management, and started spending millions of dollars in union dues to get their favorite politicians elected, THAT was the tipping point.

One statistic that does not exist is one that determines how many BILLIONS of dollars labor unions have cost U.S. industries and manufacturers and businesses and their own rank and file members, in union dues, work stoppages, work slowdowns, ridiculous employer concessions, political contributions, corruption, payoffs, etc., etc., etc.

You would think there would be a LOT of rank and file union members who would be REALLY PISSED OFF right now, if they took an HONEST look at what their labor unions have done to, er, "for", them.