My view of how Govt handouts should be managed.

Started by raptor5618, January 08, 2013, 08:41:38 AM

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mhughes

Quote from: Solar on January 13, 2013, 08:12:25 AM
It is extremely frustrating, we even give SSI to illegals, people that didn't even pay into the system.
But it's the way the Dims but votes.

According to the IRS and CBO, you've got that backwards.  Illegals are not eligible for SSI.  Many illegals pay in via payroll taxes, but can't receive anything out. 

That's not to say there is some fraud which should be more aggressively prosecuted, but overall it's a net-gain for SSI.

Solar

Quote from: mhughes on January 13, 2013, 08:25:54 AM
According to the IRS and CBO, you've got that backwards.  Illegals are not eligible for SSI.  Many illegals pay in via payroll taxes, but can't receive anything out. 

That's not to say there is some fraud which should be more aggressively prosecuted, but overall it's a net-gain for SSI.
Maybe I should have stated that it is coming.

As many as 1.7 million people could qualify for the program, which enables them to apply for work permits, Social Security cards and driver's licenses, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48860018/ns/us_news-life/t/california-oks-drivers-licenses-some-undocumented-immigrants/#.UPLlL4YfkX4
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mhughes

Quote from: Solar on January 13, 2013, 08:52:21 AM
Maybe I should have stated that it is coming.

As many as 1.7 million people could qualify for the program, which enables them to apply for work permits, Social Security cards and driver's licenses, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48860018/ns/us_news-life/t/california-oks-drivers-licenses-some-undocumented-immigrants/#.UPLlL4YfkX4

Social security cards lets you be tracked and pay in, not necessarily get benefits.  Lots of people have SS cards but are not eligible for benefits.  As far as I know, it would take an act of congress to modify the "Qualified Alien" criteria for determining that.  I don't see that happening anytime soon. 

I'm all up for more tracking of illegal immigrants, that's what this does.

And besides, the age requirements and limited duration of that program would mean it hits no retirement age people.

mdgiles

Quote from: mhughes on January 13, 2013, 09:11:48 AM
Social security cards lets you be tracked and pay in, not necessarily get benefits.  Lots of people have SS cards but are not eligible for benefits.  As far as I know, it would take an act of congress to modify the "Qualified Alien" criteria for determining that.  I don't see that happening anytime soon. 

I'm all up for more tracking of illegal immigrants, that's what this does.

And besides, the age requirements and limited duration of that program would mean it hits no retirement age people.
The idea of millions of people paying in but unable to collect, appeals to our crooked politicos.
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supsalemgr

Quote from: mdgiles on January 13, 2013, 10:30:17 AM
The idea of millions of people paying in but unable to collect, appeals to our crooked politicos.

"The idea of millions of people paying in but unable to collect,"

Isn't that basically the definition of a ponzi scheme?
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mdgiles

Quote from: supsalemgr on January 13, 2013, 11:07:37 AM
"The idea of millions of people paying in but unable to collect,"

Isn't that basically the definition of a ponzi scheme?
Yes. Don't forget the retirement age was originally set at 65 - by Bismarck - because few people lived that long, and thus the majority would be unable to collect
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walkstall

Quote from: mdgiles on January 13, 2013, 10:30:17 AM
The idea of millions of people paying in but unable to collect, appeals to our crooked politicos.


As I remember they were counting on most people not getting past 65.
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walkstall

Quote from: mdgiles on January 13, 2013, 11:11:51 AM
Yes. Don't forget the retirement age was originally set at 65 - by Bismarck - because few people lived that long, and thus the majority would be unable to collect

I think it was always to be their private piggy bank.
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

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keyboarder

All of you are too kind and optimistic towards our government in saying that aliens will pay but they won't collect anything. 

Why did our government take x amount of money out of medicare?  Medicare normally going to SS recipients has been reduced/benefits reduced to take care or accomodate aliens the government is letting in, as in "proposed expansion of medicaid".  The people coming here from Mexico/other places have little or no security when they arrive.  Our government wants them to work and pay taxes but will more or less help them on that road by taking care of their most pressing needs like food, health care and some kind of housing subsidies for a short while.  That'll sound like a good deal to the aliens until.......they start having to pay for EVERYTHING out of their $10.00-12.00hr job like workers here are doing.  One job won't be enough either, they'd better be able to work another one to keep up.  It's worse than a ponzi scheme!  Wonder how long it'll take these alien folks to realize they've  messed in their hands and rubbed it into their hair?  They will soon figure out that they've run into the exact scenario that they ran away from?  :rolleyes:
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Solar

Quote from: mhughes on January 13, 2013, 09:11:48 AM
Social security cards lets you be tracked and pay in, not necessarily get benefits.  Lots of people have SS cards but are not eligible for benefits.  As far as I know, it would take an act of congress to modify the "Qualified Alien" criteria for determining that.  I don't see that happening anytime soon. 

I'm all up for more tracking of illegal immigrants, that's what this does.

And besides, the age requirements and limited duration of that program would mean it hits no retirement age people.
You put far more trust into the Dim party than i do.
Look at all those Husein just made legal by the stroke of a pen, EXO.
And you don't think the Dims won't screw the taxpayer over for a few more votes?
They care nothing about the deficit, absolutely nothing at all, so giving our money to illegals is nothing but a "Screw You America" we're buying more votes.
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