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Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2017, 07:01:59 AM »
Yep, typical Prog program, the problem in search of a program.
My 16' travel trailer had more room than this thing and cost pennies comparatively.

Not only that but you can resell it. 
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Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2017, 07:32:08 AM »
Not only that but you can resell it.
The bigger question is: Will the county repair your house after a meth lab explosion, or compensate you for the damage done to your family for attracting drug users to the neighborhoods?
There's a reason these people are homeless, the same reason you don't take financial advice from them.
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Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2017, 10:31:05 AM »
So, the plan is to treat homeless people like pets...


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Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2017, 01:10:28 PM »
The bigger question is: Will the county repair your house after a meth lab explosion, or compensate you for the damage done to your family for attracting drug users to the neighborhoods?
There's a reason these people are homeless, the same reason you don't take financial advice from them.
Even if there is a bathroom in that thing, it will still need to tie into a septic system which usually are not built for an additional house, or will have to tie into the city sewer system, but who pays, or are they going to promote fertilize your lawn day??? They are small enough to roll around the yard much like the "chicken tractor houses" where you just move them day to day for new areas to fertilize. Boy, what a crappy job.

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Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2017, 01:44:19 PM »
Even if there is a bathroom in that thing, it will still need to tie into a septic system which usually are not built for an additional house, or will have to tie into the city sewer system, but who pays, or are they going to promote fertilize your lawn day??? They are small enough to roll around the yard much like the "chicken tractor houses" where you just move them day to day for new areas to fertilize. Boy, what a crappy job.
Yeah, it's typical liberal planning, they never really look at the consequences of their half baked ideas, or the added expenses, as in property values in the area plummeting.
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Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2017, 06:35:53 PM »
I've actually watched a TV program on tiny houses.  It is quite interesting how they fit a kitchen, bathroom and bedroom (which is usually a loft) into such a tremendously small space.  I question how they are going to manage putting water and sewer or water and septic on the same property.

A tiny house definitely wouldn't be for me as sleeping in a loft where you can barely toss and turn with about 6 inches above your head would be uncomfortable; however, I would think living in a tiny home would be better than being homeless. 

Inviting someone that you don't know, that possibly has a prison record or a bad addiction problem to live on your property is asking for problems.  If things don't work out ... then what? 
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Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2017, 06:55:02 PM »
I've actually watched a TV program on tiny houses.  It is quite interesting how they fit a kitchen, bathroom and bedroom (which is usually a loft) into such a tremendously small space.  I question how they are going to manage putting water and sewer or water and septic on the same property.

A tiny house definitely wouldn't be for me as sleeping in a loft where you can barely toss and turn with about 6 inches above your head would be uncomfortable; however, I would think living in a tiny home would be better than being homeless. 

Inviting someone that you don't know, that possibly has a prison record or a bad addiction problem to live on your property is asking for problems.  If things don't work out ... then what?

The good wife and I had a 16 foot "high low trailer" just like this that we used for 10 years before I retired.

We lived in it sometimes 3 months out of the year on vacations, with no problems.  But then we were also in RV parks most of the time with full RV hook ups.
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Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2017, 07:39:53 PM »
The good wife and I had a 16 foot "high low trailer" just like this that we used for 10 years before I retired.

We lived in it sometimes 3 months out of the year on vacations, with no problems.  But then we were also in RV parks most of the time with full RV hook ups.
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Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2017, 08:54:11 PM »
Hopefully the Bad Wife doesn't find out you've been spending time with the Good Wife.   :rolleyes:

The good wife packs Colt Python.  :sneaky:
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Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2017, 12:49:19 PM »
What could go wrong? Feed and house them, they will come. Yes, they will come from all over the country, as well as illegally crossing the border and that's what this is all about, sanctuary city hiding it's true intentions.
"Mayor-elect Ted Wheeler says Portland will remain a sanctuary"
And what better way to hide them, than in residents backyards?

With more than $300,000 and volunteer homeowners, Multnomah County has a new idea to fight homelessness: Build tiny houses in people's backyards and rent them out to families with children now living on the street.

The homeowners would pay nothing for the construction. They would become landlords and maintain the units for homeless families for five years.

Then the tiny houses would become theirs to do with what they want. If the homeowners break the contract before then, they pay the cost of construction.

The project would put the 8-month-old joint homeless office - a shared effort between the county and Portland -- in the housing business while offering an innovative, if so far small-scale, way to chip away at Portland's affordable housing shortage.

Four tiny houses are tentatively scheduled to launch this June at $75,000 apiece, with the hope for up to 300 accessory dwelling units as they're known in the next year if the first ones work out.

The Multnomah County Idea Lab, a 2-year-old office focused on using out-of-the-box thinking to create public policy, combined tactics of the Federal Emergency Management Agency with a county weatherization program to come up with the plan.

The tiny houses would help fill the need for low-income housing before the recently passed Portland housing bond and private developers can build the 24,000 units that studies say the city needs to stem its housing crisis.

"Those units are not going to come on line for another two to three years and they're really expensive to build in some cases," said lab director Mary Li. "We have people on the street now."

Supporters hope to be able to reduce the cost per house if the project expands, but the price tag is still cheaper than government-funded shelter beds per year. A family of four costs $32,000 a year to house and help in a shelter.

That same family could be supported in one of the pilot project's tiny houses for $15,000 a year during the five-year contract.
More~~~~~~~~~
Check out the pics, these things are no bigger than a tTuff Shed, and about as attractive. Portlanders are getting ripped off, but then, they elected a Marxist.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/03/multnomah_county_wants_to_ince.html

Way back when I was in grade school, I heard a story about Brazil. Seems they were a bit upset about the slums that were outside one of their cities--Rio de Janeiro, if I remember correctly--so they built brand spanking new apartment complexes for the poor. Within a year, the slums were back on the outskirts of town. Why? The poor were renting those brand spanking new apartments and moving back into the slums.
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Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2017, 02:01:21 PM »
Well that's one way to get the kids out of your basement - so you could turn it back into a rec room.
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Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2017, 03:29:54 PM »
Nothing like walking out back in your nice Portland home with a cup of coffee in the morning, getting ready for your day, and seeing a vagrant squatted over your petunias dropping a number 2.

Or squatting around your porch, looking for a spare key to the house!  Right about that time, you realize the potential criminal, is waiting for you to -leave-.    :lol:
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Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2017, 11:26:26 AM »
A more feasible idea is to let those in Mulnomah County who want to be supporting landlords, purchase a large tract of land and place a number of tiny homes and make a tiny home village.  It would eliminate having to impose on your neighbor living next to a tiny home and it would provide a community rather than a 'squatters' environment. Most importantly there needs to be some kind of incentive for those in the tiny home to become self-supporting.  Giving people homes and supporting them for five years does little to encourage them to become self sufficient. 

Has anyone given any thought as to what's going to happen at the end of 5 years?  What happens to those that haven't become self-sufficient?  Kick them to the curb?  Let them stay another 5 years?  What if the inhabitants of the tiny homes are loud and disorderly?

I like the way you are thinking toward a solution. The dialogue that provides critique is helpful to get bad ideas out and good ideas in. I'm not bought into the tiny houses and the comment that this has been tried in terms of the Projects that every city has is a very important observation - a similar attempt in the past that never really worked out well. But the idea to provide a path that the homeless can use to get established (if they want to) is central.

The aspect that I'd like to add to the other thoughts is direction. What is it that we would like to see accomplished by a homeless project? Provide them with very basic food, clothing, and shelter? No - that's just welfare. That's fine for those who find themselves homeless and handicapped. But that leaves the druggie category and those who just want to check out of society.

So, say the model is accurate and there the population of homeless is partitioned into category 1: 1/3 handicapped, category 2: 1/3 druggies, and category 3: 1/3 who chose just to check out of society. I think that the states should find how to care for the handicapped and that requires a handout - not sure how else you can help them? And who cares about the ones who checked out - they are on their own. Just go somewhere else ... maybe Mexico. That addresses two-thirds of the homeless problem.

Category 2 (druggies). There seem to be two thoughts on helping these:  1) let them alone and whatever happens, happens, 2) provide them with treatment. Now, the problem with treatment is that some go through it then relapse - again and again. The costs to aid keep adding up. So now I'd tie in your concept (Ms. Independence) that some land off in the distance (don't complicate the problem in the cities) becomes a state farm for drug rehab (maybe private sector). There are three tiers of living space: a) those going through for the first time who get the best of what the rehab has to offer, b) those who had a relapse and are back for the second time - they get the "scared straight" treatment with the consequence that they may end up in tier c). Tier c) is a prison - those on the second relapse who are convicted are sent there and they are given no treatment and you give them the opportunity to take the drugs that are seized, basically allowing them to kill themselves. That sounds harsh, but it just accelerates the process. It's an area where those who chose to stay in the drug culture can act out their lives without being a danger to others around them.

Here's the unintended consequence. Those in Tier b) are treated harshly and also get to watch those in Tier c) destroy themselves everyday. It's scared straight on steroids - meant to shock them into avoiding the hell in Tier c at all costs. Over time, there will be less and less people in Tier c) as those that go in die off and those who wouldn't have changed their ways find a new, concrete motivation.

That's a little different concept from tiny houses in your backyard. It might actually accomplish a positive step against the homeless problem.









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Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
« Reply #43 on: March 22, 2017, 06:48:43 PM »
So, the plan is to treat homeless people like pets...
Where does the chain attach?   And the pooper scooper...?
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Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2017, 07:03:31 PM »
So, the plan is to treat homeless people like pets...
I'd never make my pets live in such a cramped outhouse.
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