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Title: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 18, 2017, 04:27:59 AM
What could go wrong? Feed and house them, they will come. Yes, they will come from all over the country, as well as illegally crossing the border and that's what this is all about, sanctuary city hiding it's true intentions.
"Mayor-elect Ted Wheeler says Portland will remain a sanctuary"
And what better way to hide them, than in residents backyards?

With more than $300,000 and volunteer homeowners, Multnomah County has a new idea to fight homelessness: Build tiny houses in people's backyards and rent them out to families with children now living on the street.

The homeowners would pay nothing for the construction. They would become landlords and maintain the units for homeless families for five years.

Then the tiny houses would become theirs to do with what they want. If the homeowners break the contract before then, they pay the cost of construction.

The project would put the 8-month-old joint homeless office - a shared effort between the county and Portland -- in the housing business while offering an innovative, if so far small-scale, way to chip away at Portland's affordable housing shortage.

Four tiny houses are tentatively scheduled to launch this June at $75,000 apiece, with the hope for up to 300 accessory dwelling units as they're known in the next year if the first ones work out.

The Multnomah County Idea Lab, a 2-year-old office focused on using out-of-the-box thinking to create public policy, combined tactics of the Federal Emergency Management Agency with a county weatherization program to come up with the plan.

The tiny houses would help fill the need for low-income housing before the recently passed Portland housing bond and private developers can build the 24,000 units that studies say the city needs to stem its housing crisis.

"Those units are not going to come on line for another two to three years and they're really expensive to build in some cases," said lab director Mary Li. "We have people on the street now."

Supporters hope to be able to reduce the cost per house if the project expands, but the price tag is still cheaper than government-funded shelter beds per year. A family of four costs $32,000 a year to house and help in a shelter.

That same family could be supported in one of the pilot project's tiny houses for $15,000 a year during the five-year contract.
More~~~~~~~~~
Check out the pics, these things are no bigger than a tTuff Shed, and about as attractive. Portlanders are getting ripped off, but then, they elected a Marxist.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/03/multnomah_county_wants_to_ince.html
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: supsalemgr on March 18, 2017, 04:53:53 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 18, 2017, 04:27:59 AM
What could go wrong? Feed and house them, they will come. Yes, they will come from all over the country, as well as illegally crossing the border and that's what this is all about, sanctuary city hiding it's true intentions.
"Mayor-elect Ted Wheeler says Portland will remain a sanctuary"
And what better way to hide them, than in residents backyards?

With more than $300,000 and volunteer homeowners, Multnomah County has a new idea to fight homelessness: Build tiny houses in people's backyards and rent them out to families with children now living on the street.

The homeowners would pay nothing for the construction. They would become landlords and maintain the units for homeless families for five years.

Then the tiny houses would become theirs to do with what they want. If the homeowners break the contract before then, they pay the cost of construction.

The project would put the 8-month-old joint homeless office - a shared effort between the county and Portland -- in the housing business while offering an innovative, if so far small-scale, way to chip away at Portland's affordable housing shortage.

Four tiny houses are tentatively scheduled to launch this June at $75,000 apiece, with the hope for up to 300 accessory dwelling units as they're known in the next year if the first ones work out.

The Multnomah County Idea Lab, a 2-year-old office focused on using out-of-the-box thinking to create public policy, combined tactics of the Federal Emergency Management Agency with a county weatherization program to come up with the plan.

The tiny houses would help fill the need for low-income housing before the recently passed Portland housing bond and private developers can build the 24,000 units that studies say the city needs to stem its housing crisis.

"Those units are not going to come on line for another two to three years and they're really expensive to build in some cases," said lab director Mary Li. "We have people on the street now."

Supporters hope to be able to reduce the cost per house if the project expands, but the price tag is still cheaper than government-funded shelter beds per year. A family of four costs $32,000 a year to house and help in a shelter.

That same family could be supported in one of the pilot project's tiny houses for $15,000 a year during the five-year contract.
More~~~~~~~~~
Check out the pics, these things are no bigger than a tTuff Shed, and about as attractive. Portlanders are getting ripped off, but then, they elected a Marxist.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/03/multnomah_county_wants_to_ince.html

Talk about a recipe for disaster! This will be interesting to watch unfold. Since it is in your neck of the woods, keep us informed Solar.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 18, 2017, 05:00:21 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 18, 2017, 04:53:53 AM
Talk about a recipe for disaster! This will be interesting to watch unfold. Since it is in your neck of the woods, keep us informed Solar.
Outlandish, isn't it?
This is closer to Walks than me, so more than likely I won't hear any updates, and I bet he won't either when it fails.
We all know what this is, it's a way for the mayor to garner more votes from illegals. You say, "wait, illegals can't vote!" Yeah, they said that here in Ca, and look what happened.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: topside on March 18, 2017, 05:02:59 AM
When you reason with your kids, they usually do what you ask. But some don't and then it's time to bring out the rod. Lovingly, but with the purpose of enforcing the line.

Trump is going to have to enforce the federal law at some point - against the judges who are violating the constitution and the states who won't enforce laws against illegals. He's playing nice for now, but they seem to be taunting him to take action. i wonder when he'll step in and jail the leadership of a state then have the state vote in someone who will enforce the law. That could really get ugly. But it seems to be the inevitable outcome as far as I can tell. What other options are there?

I would hope that POTUS would say something like, "Look folks, we have laws in this country. Until they are changed, it's my job to make sure they are enforced. And your state leadership isn't doing that. So in two weeks, unless this is brought under control, we're going to charge them and prosecute them. Then you need to choose new leadership that will enforce the laws of our nation."

Portland can house the homeless - no crime in that if those they house are citizens. We might just make Portland the homeless state for the entire country. I'm pretty sure all those deplorables and their businesses would leave there city. I was there a few months ago - believe me, they aren't all in agreement with what to do with the homeless. We're getting the messages from the minority and the Dim leadership.

I spoke with a woman who has chosen to live in the city to work with the homeless - definitely a lib but I listened because she at least is trying to live what she believes (to a degree). She's observed that there are three categories of homeless: 1) Those who are handicapped in some way (mental or physical), 2) Those who are on drugs of some kind, 3) Those who choose to be homeless - want the anti-normal lifestyle. It's about 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 according to her. That means there is about 1/3 of the people that can't take care of themselves. The druggies have chosen a life that almost always leads to self-destruction. The other third - well they want it that way ... so be it.

My wife and I went downtown for dinner one evening. We walked a few blocks and were stepping around homeless folks laying on the sidewalks. We passed one guy that was taking a piss on the side of a building ... on the sidewalk. I didn't want to be there with my wife - very uncomfortable and felt unsafe. It's a hard and messy problem. I do believe a community should step up for the handicapped. The other two categories need to find a way somewhere else. That may sound hard, but at some point people have to live in their decisions.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 18, 2017, 07:02:20 AM
These libs are incorrigible.

The Multnomah County Board of Commissioners this week voted to provide $100,000 (link is external) to nonprofits offering legal aid to immigrant residents concerned about their status or unclear of their rights in the midst of federal immigration policy change.

The vote shifts money from the general fund to the Department of County Human Services for allocation to nonprofits that offer "Know Your Rights" workshops, assist families to adjust their status, and represent individuals who don't have representation or know their legal options but could face deportation.

County law enforcement agencies abide by state law (link is external) by prohibiting public employees from looking for or apprehending people for violations of federal immigration law. However, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has direct access to the state's Law Enforcement Data System (link is external). In addition, the county cannot prohibit immigration agents from entering public places, such as lobbies and parking lots owned by the county. And while the agency has arrested residents scheduled to appear on routine matters at the county courthouse, ICE appears to be respecting, for the most part, its own internal guidelines regarding enforcement actions in Sensitive Locations (link is external) -- places of worship, schools, medical centers and hospitals.

https://multco.us/multnomah-county/news/board-votes-support-immigration-legal-services
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: walkstall on March 18, 2017, 07:24:41 AM
Quoteplaces of worship, schools, medical centers and hospitals.

They have to get in and out of those areas some way. 
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 18, 2017, 11:00:40 AM
What kind of idiot would agree to this insane idea?  What happens when a neighbor (s) objects?
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: supsalemgr on March 18, 2017, 11:16:48 AM
 In a city like this they will be labeled a bigot.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 18, 2017, 12:11:36 PM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 18, 2017, 11:00:40 AM
What kind of idiot would agree to this insane idea?  What happens when a neighbor (s) objects?
Based on some of the comments I've been reading, this is not a done deal despite all the hype from the "wannabee like the Bay area".
People are already talking about lawsuits, recalls as well as protests.

I swear, it's vagina envy with these lib cesspits and their need to be another SanFranfreako.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: supsalemgr on March 18, 2017, 01:06:58 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 18, 2017, 12:11:36 PM
Based on some of the comments I've been reading, this is not a done deal despite all the hype from the "wannabee like the Bay area".
People are already talking about lawsuits, recalls as well as protests.

I swear, it's vagina envy with these lib cesspits and their need to be another SanFranfreako.

I guess leftists even have limits when it affects them directly.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: walkstall on March 18, 2017, 01:20:58 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 18, 2017, 01:06:58 PM
I guess leftists even have limits when it affects them directly.

I find in most big cities.  That people don't like other people parking in front of their house.   But the spot in front of their house doesn't belong to them.    :lol:
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 18, 2017, 01:54:38 PM
I wonder how many people just put their homes up for sale in the great county of Multnomah?
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 18, 2017, 02:49:26 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 18, 2017, 01:06:58 PM
I guess leftists even have limits when it affects them directly.
Like ya said, a bunch of NIMBY. It's all good as long as their policies don't interfere with their personal Utopia, but the moment they are affected by their own idiocy, all Hell breaks lose. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: taxed on March 18, 2017, 04:04:41 PM
Nothing like walking out back in your nice Portland home with a cup of coffee in the morning, getting ready for your day, and seeing a vagrant squatted over your petunias dropping a number 2.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 18, 2017, 07:12:55 PM
A more feasible idea is to let those in Mulnomah County who want to be supporting landlords, purchase a large tract of land and place a number of tiny homes and make a tiny home village.  It would eliminate having to impose on your neighbor living next to a tiny home and it would provide a community rather than a 'squatters' environment. Most importantly there needs to be some kind of incentive for those in the tiny home to become self-supporting.  Giving people homes and supporting them for five years does little to encourage them to become self sufficient. 

Has anyone given any thought as to what's going to happen at the end of 5 years?  What happens to those that haven't become self-sufficient?  Kick them to the curb?  Let them stay another 5 years?  What if the inhabitants of the tiny homes are loud and disorderly?
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 18, 2017, 07:20:44 PM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 18, 2017, 07:12:55 PM
A more feasible idea is to let those in Mulnomah County who want to be supporting landlords, purchase a large tract of land and place a number of tiny homes and make a tiny home village.  It would eliminate having to impose on your neighbor living next to a tiny home and it would provide a community rather than a 'squatters' environment. Most importantly there needs to be some kind of incentive for those in the tiny home to become self-supporting.  Giving people homes and supporting them for five years does little to encourage them to become self sufficient. 

Has anyone given any thought as to what's going to happen at the end of 5 years?  What happens to those that haven't become self-sufficient?  Kick them to the curb?  Let them stay another 5 years?  What if the inhabitants of the tiny homes are loud and disorderly?
Chicago has those, they're known as the projects. Yeah, that worked out well. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Thinker on March 18, 2017, 07:26:51 PM
LOL...brings new meaning to the term Slum Lord.  Way too many issues with this "solution".  What happens to the resale  value in the neighborhood.  What happens after 5 years and the people won't leave the tiny home.

Perhaps they need to do a test run, build a few tiny houses and put them in the Mayor's (?) back yard for a couple years.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 18, 2017, 07:31:34 PM
Quote from: Thinker on March 18, 2017, 07:26:51 PM
LOL...brings new meaning to the term Slum Lord.  Way too many issues with this "solution".  What happens to the resale  value in the neighborhood.  What happens after 5 years and the people won't leave the tiny home.

Perhaps they need to do a test run, build a few tiny houses and put them in the Mayor's (?) back yard for a couple years.
:lol:   :thumbsup:
That's the thing, in many cases, it can take years to evict people.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: walkstall on March 18, 2017, 07:43:34 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 18, 2017, 07:31:34 PM
:lol:   :thumbsup:
That's the thing, in many cases, it can take years to evict people.

Let see....  75.000$ tiny house.   :lol: 

3.000$ for a building permit.

25.000$ for all the utility hook ups

5.000$ for sidewalks and parking area in back.

So you get a 45.000$ house.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 18, 2017, 08:10:02 PM
Quote from: walkstall on March 18, 2017, 07:43:34 PM
Let see....  75.000$ tiny house.   :lol: 

3.000$ for a building permit.

25.000$ for all the utility hook ups

5.000$ for sidewalks and parking area in back.

So you get a 45.000$ house.   :rolleyes:
Have you seen this shit, they claim to be a house? No way would I want that crap on my property, even if they gave it to me free and I never had to let people live in it, I still wouldn't want this crap.

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They all appear to be about 8'x8', or at most 12'x12', barely big enough for storage, let alone a fridge, toilet, sink/shower heater/AC water heater, table, bed and one chair. You'd have to step outside just to change your mind.

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walks
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Cryptic Bert on March 18, 2017, 08:17:36 PM
So, the plan is to treat homeless people like pets...
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: walkstall on March 18, 2017, 08:23:39 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 18, 2017, 08:10:02 PM
Have you seen this shit, they claim to be a house? No way would I want that crap on my property, even if they gave it to me free and I never had to let people live in it, I still wouldn't want this crap.

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.oregonlive.com%2Fhome%2Folive-media%2Fwidth960%2Fimg%2Foregonian%2Fphoto%2F2017%2F03%2F07%2F-78b09ded777b8f19.JPG&hash=3bba3548ff7c30ea4c049af5c347ef70aa537c37)

They all appear to be about 8'x8', or at most 12'x12', barely big enough for storage, let alone a fridge, toilet, sink/shower heater/AC water heater, table, bed and one chair. You'd have to step outside just to change your mind.

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walks


My yard tool shed is 4 time bigger then that.  And I don't put the riding lawn mower in it. 
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: zewazir on March 18, 2017, 08:47:14 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 18, 2017, 08:10:02 PM
Have you seen this shit, they claim to be a house? No way would I want that crap on my property, even if they gave it to me free and I never had to let people live in it, I still wouldn't want this crap.

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.oregonlive.com%2Fhome%2Folive-media%2Fwidth960%2Fimg%2Foregonian%2Fphoto%2F2017%2F03%2F07%2F-78b09ded777b8f19.JPG&hash=3bba3548ff7c30ea4c049af5c347ef70aa537c37)

They all appear to be about 8'x8', or at most 12'x12', barely big enough for storage, let alone a fridge, toilet, sink/shower heater/AC water heater, table, bed and one chair. You'd have to step outside just to change your mind.

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walks
Only a prog government project could manage to spend $75,000 on this, and call it a savings over other ideas.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: walkstall on March 18, 2017, 09:03:02 PM
Quote from: zewazir on March 18, 2017, 08:47:14 PM
Only a prog government project could manage to spend $75,000 on this, and call it a savings over other ideas.


That could be a 35.000$ safe door.   :lol:
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: taxed on March 18, 2017, 09:07:20 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 18, 2017, 08:17:36 PM
So, the plan is to treat homeless people like pets...

I'm gonna get me one that keeps the grass cut....
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: walkstall on March 18, 2017, 09:12:13 PM
Quote from: taxed on March 18, 2017, 09:07:20 PM
I'm gonna get me one that keeps the grass cut....


OK, but just don't walk around in the backyard. 
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: taxed on March 18, 2017, 09:12:53 PM
Quote from: walkstall on March 18, 2017, 09:12:13 PM

OK, but just don't walk around in the backyard.

Usually they have long hair, so it will be easier to grab them and rub their nose in it.....
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: walkstall on March 18, 2017, 09:15:57 PM
Quote from: taxed on March 18, 2017, 09:12:53 PM
Usually they have long hair, so it will be easier to grab them and rub their nose in it.....

So you think their trainable?   :popcorn:
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: taxed on March 18, 2017, 09:50:47 PM
Quote from: walkstall on March 18, 2017, 09:15:57 PM
So you think their trainable?   :popcorn:

They just need some encouragement.  I have plenty at the end of my shoe.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 19, 2017, 06:31:47 AM
Quote from: zewazir on March 18, 2017, 08:47:14 PM
Only a prog government project could manage to spend $75,000 on this, and call it a savings over other ideas.
Yep, typical Prog program, the problem in search of a program.
My 16' travel trailer had more room than this thing and cost pennies comparatively.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: walkstall on March 19, 2017, 07:01:59 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 19, 2017, 06:31:47 AM
Yep, typical Prog program, the problem in search of a program.
My 16' travel trailer had more room than this thing and cost pennies comparatively.

Not only that but you can resell it. 
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 19, 2017, 07:32:08 AM
Quote from: walkstall on March 19, 2017, 07:01:59 AM
Not only that but you can resell it.
The bigger question is: Will the county repair your house after a meth lab explosion, or compensate you for the damage done to your family for attracting drug users to the neighborhoods?
There's a reason these people are homeless, the same reason you don't take financial advice from them.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: topside on March 20, 2017, 10:31:05 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 18, 2017, 08:17:36 PM
So, the plan is to treat homeless people like pets...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So funny Boo Man ... made my day. Thanks! I'll still be laughing when I go to sleep tonight.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Possum on March 20, 2017, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 19, 2017, 07:32:08 AM
The bigger question is: Will the county repair your house after a meth lab explosion, or compensate you for the damage done to your family for attracting drug users to the neighborhoods?
There's a reason these people are homeless, the same reason you don't take financial advice from them.
Even if there is a bathroom in that thing, it will still need to tie into a septic system which usually are not built for an additional house, or will have to tie into the city sewer system, but who pays, or are they going to promote fertilize your lawn day??? They are small enough to roll around the yard much like the "chicken tractor houses" where you just move them day to day for new areas to fertilize. Boy, what a crappy job.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2017, 01:44:19 PM
Quote from: s3779m on March 20, 2017, 01:10:28 PM
Even if there is a bathroom in that thing, it will still need to tie into a septic system which usually are not built for an additional house, or will have to tie into the city sewer system, but who pays, or are they going to promote fertilize your lawn day??? They are small enough to roll around the yard much like the "chicken tractor houses" where you just move them day to day for new areas to fertilize. Boy, what a crappy job.
Yeah, it's typical liberal planning, they never really look at the consequences of their half baked ideas, or the added expenses, as in property values in the area plummeting.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 20, 2017, 06:35:53 PM
I've actually watched a TV program on tiny houses.  It is quite interesting how they fit a kitchen, bathroom and bedroom (which is usually a loft) into such a tremendously small space.  I question how they are going to manage putting water and sewer or water and septic on the same property.

A tiny house definitely wouldn't be for me as sleeping in a loft where you can barely toss and turn with about 6 inches above your head would be uncomfortable; however, I would think living in a tiny home would be better than being homeless. 

Inviting someone that you don't know, that possibly has a prison record or a bad addiction problem to live on your property is asking for problems.  If things don't work out ... then what? 
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: walkstall on March 20, 2017, 06:55:02 PM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 20, 2017, 06:35:53 PM
I've actually watched a TV program on tiny houses.  It is quite interesting how they fit a kitchen, bathroom and bedroom (which is usually a loft) into such a tremendously small space.  I question how they are going to manage putting water and sewer or water and septic on the same property.

A tiny house definitely wouldn't be for me as sleeping in a loft where you can barely toss and turn with about 6 inches above your head would be uncomfortable; however, I would think living in a tiny home would be better than being homeless. 

Inviting someone that you don't know, that possibly has a prison record or a bad addiction problem to live on your property is asking for problems.  If things don't work out ... then what?

The good wife and I had a 16 foot "high low trailer" just like this that we used for 10 years before I retired.
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We lived in it sometimes 3 months out of the year on vacations, with no problems.  But then we were also in RV parks most of the time with full RV hook ups.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Thinker on March 20, 2017, 07:39:53 PM
Quote from: walkstall on March 20, 2017, 06:55:02 PM
The good wife and I had a 16 foot "high low trailer" just like this that we used for 10 years before I retired.
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We lived in it sometimes 3 months out of the year on vacations, with no problems.  But then we were also in RV parks most of the time with full RV hook ups.
Hopefully the Bad Wife doesn't find out you've been spending time with the Good Wife.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: walkstall on March 20, 2017, 08:54:11 PM
Quote from: Thinker on March 20, 2017, 07:39:53 PM
Hopefully the Bad Wife doesn't find out you've been spending time with the Good Wife.   :rolleyes:

The good wife packs Colt Python.  :sneaky:
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Ghoulardi on March 21, 2017, 12:49:19 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 18, 2017, 04:27:59 AM
What could go wrong? Feed and house them, they will come. Yes, they will come from all over the country, as well as illegally crossing the border and that's what this is all about, sanctuary city hiding it's true intentions.
"Mayor-elect Ted Wheeler says Portland will remain a sanctuary"
And what better way to hide them, than in residents backyards?

With more than $300,000 and volunteer homeowners, Multnomah County has a new idea to fight homelessness: Build tiny houses in people's backyards and rent them out to families with children now living on the street.

The homeowners would pay nothing for the construction. They would become landlords and maintain the units for homeless families for five years.

Then the tiny houses would become theirs to do with what they want. If the homeowners break the contract before then, they pay the cost of construction.

The project would put the 8-month-old joint homeless office - a shared effort between the county and Portland -- in the housing business while offering an innovative, if so far small-scale, way to chip away at Portland's affordable housing shortage.

Four tiny houses are tentatively scheduled to launch this June at $75,000 apiece, with the hope for up to 300 accessory dwelling units as they're known in the next year if the first ones work out.

The Multnomah County Idea Lab, a 2-year-old office focused on using out-of-the-box thinking to create public policy, combined tactics of the Federal Emergency Management Agency with a county weatherization program to come up with the plan.

The tiny houses would help fill the need for low-income housing before the recently passed Portland housing bond and private developers can build the 24,000 units that studies say the city needs to stem its housing crisis.

"Those units are not going to come on line for another two to three years and they're really expensive to build in some cases," said lab director Mary Li. "We have people on the street now."

Supporters hope to be able to reduce the cost per house if the project expands, but the price tag is still cheaper than government-funded shelter beds per year. A family of four costs $32,000 a year to house and help in a shelter.

That same family could be supported in one of the pilot project's tiny houses for $15,000 a year during the five-year contract.
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Check out the pics, these things are no bigger than a tTuff Shed, and about as attractive. Portlanders are getting ripped off, but then, they elected a Marxist.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/03/multnomah_county_wants_to_ince.html

Way back when I was in grade school, I heard a story about Brazil. Seems they were a bit upset about the slums that were outside one of their cities--Rio de Janeiro, if I remember correctly--so they built brand spanking new apartment complexes for the poor. Within a year, the slums were back on the outskirts of town. Why? The poor were renting those brand spanking new apartments and moving back into the slums.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: mdgiles on March 21, 2017, 02:01:21 PM
Well that's one way to get the kids out of your basement - so you could turn it back into a rec room.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Hoofer on March 21, 2017, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: taxed on March 18, 2017, 04:04:41 PM
Nothing like walking out back in your nice Portland home with a cup of coffee in the morning, getting ready for your day, and seeing a vagrant squatted over your petunias dropping a number 2.

Or squatting around your porch, looking for a spare key to the house!  Right about that time, you realize the potential criminal, is waiting for you to -leave-.    :lol:
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: topside on March 22, 2017, 11:26:26 AM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 18, 2017, 07:12:55 PM
A more feasible idea is to let those in Mulnomah County who want to be supporting landlords, purchase a large tract of land and place a number of tiny homes and make a tiny home village.  It would eliminate having to impose on your neighbor living next to a tiny home and it would provide a community rather than a 'squatters' environment. Most importantly there needs to be some kind of incentive for those in the tiny home to become self-supporting.  Giving people homes and supporting them for five years does little to encourage them to become self sufficient. 

Has anyone given any thought as to what's going to happen at the end of 5 years?  What happens to those that haven't become self-sufficient?  Kick them to the curb?  Let them stay another 5 years?  What if the inhabitants of the tiny homes are loud and disorderly?

I like the way you are thinking toward a solution. The dialogue that provides critique is helpful to get bad ideas out and good ideas in. I'm not bought into the tiny houses and the comment that this has been tried in terms of the Projects that every city has is a very important observation - a similar attempt in the past that never really worked out well. But the idea to provide a path that the homeless can use to get established (if they want to) is central.

The aspect that I'd like to add to the other thoughts is direction. What is it that we would like to see accomplished by a homeless project? Provide them with very basic food, clothing, and shelter? No - that's just welfare. That's fine for those who find themselves homeless and handicapped. But that leaves the druggie category and those who just want to check out of society.

So, say the model is accurate and there the population of homeless is partitioned into category 1: 1/3 handicapped, category 2: 1/3 druggies, and category 3: 1/3 who chose just to check out of society. I think that the states should find how to care for the handicapped and that requires a handout - not sure how else you can help them? And who cares about the ones who checked out - they are on their own. Just go somewhere else ... maybe Mexico. That addresses two-thirds of the homeless problem.

Category 2 (druggies). There seem to be two thoughts on helping these:  1) let them alone and whatever happens, happens, 2) provide them with treatment. Now, the problem with treatment is that some go through it then relapse - again and again. The costs to aid keep adding up. So now I'd tie in your concept (Ms. Independence) that some land off in the distance (don't complicate the problem in the cities) becomes a state farm for drug rehab (maybe private sector). There are three tiers of living space: a) those going through for the first time who get the best of what the rehab has to offer, b) those who had a relapse and are back for the second time - they get the "scared straight" treatment with the consequence that they may end up in tier c). Tier c) is a prison - those on the second relapse who are convicted are sent there and they are given no treatment and you give them the opportunity to take the drugs that are seized, basically allowing them to kill themselves. That sounds harsh, but it just accelerates the process. It's an area where those who chose to stay in the drug culture can act out their lives without being a danger to others around them.

Here's the unintended consequence. Those in Tier b) are treated harshly and also get to watch those in Tier c) destroy themselves everyday. It's scared straight on steroids - meant to shock them into avoiding the hell in Tier c at all costs. Over time, there will be less and less people in Tier c) as those that go in die off and those who wouldn't have changed their ways find a new, concrete motivation.

That's a little different concept from tiny houses in your backyard. It might actually accomplish a positive step against the homeless problem.








Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Hoofer on March 22, 2017, 06:48:43 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 18, 2017, 08:17:36 PM
So, the plan is to treat homeless people like pets...
Where does the chain attach?   And the pooper scooper...?
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 22, 2017, 07:03:31 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 18, 2017, 08:17:36 PM
So, the plan is to treat homeless people like pets...
I'd never make my pets live in such a cramped outhouse.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: walkstall on March 22, 2017, 07:53:13 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 22, 2017, 07:03:31 PM
I'd never make my pets live in such a cramped outhouse.

My Neighbor build his Rottweiler a dog house 4 time that big.  It's just not as high, only about 4.5' with a heater in it for winter. 

But the dog stays with us for the winter.    I'm looking for him to put in A/C for the dog soon.   :lol:
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Cryptic Bert on March 22, 2017, 08:05:13 PM
Do the homeowners have a choice?
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 22, 2017, 08:09:34 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 22, 2017, 08:05:13 PM
Do the homeowners have a choice?
There's only one floor plan to choose from, square.
Oh, you meant the neighbors that don't want this shit next door? Nope, they're shit out ou luck. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Cryptic Bert on March 22, 2017, 08:14:02 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 22, 2017, 08:09:34 PM
There's only one floor plan to choose from, square.
Oh, you meant the neighbors that don't want this shit next door? Nope, they're shit out ou luck. :biggrin:

So San Francisco has moved next to Multnomah County. All that is missing are the steep hills and the eco friendly shopping bags.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 22, 2017, 08:22:26 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 22, 2017, 08:14:02 PM
So San Francisco has moved next to Multnomah County. All that is missing are the steep hills and the eco friendly shopping bags.
It would appear to be vagina envy on the part of Multnomah county.
What I find hilarious is how the area pushes solar, an area that sees the sun less than Seatle. :laugh:
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Cryptic Bert on March 22, 2017, 08:27:35 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 22, 2017, 08:22:26 PM
It would appear to be vagina envy on the part of Multnomah county.
What I find hilarious is how the area pushes solar, an area that sees the sun less than Seatle. :laugh:

It's not the sun they see. It's subsidies. Without the government subsidies there is no sun.
I think I just created a Chinese proverb.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 22, 2017, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 22, 2017, 08:27:35 PM
It's not the sun they see. It's subsidies. Without the government subsidies there is no sun.
I think I just created a Chinese proverb.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yet it's the sun that created global warming. Yes, quite the paradox.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Cryptic Bert on March 22, 2017, 08:33:35 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 22, 2017, 08:30:12 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yet it's the sun that created global warming. Yes, quite the paradox.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

But the sun also created global cooling back when everyone wore leisure suits and publicly admitted they loved the Bee Gees.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Possum on March 23, 2017, 03:25:05 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 20, 2017, 01:44:19 PM
Yeah, it's typical liberal planning, they never really look at the consequences of their half baked ideas, or the added expenses, as in property values in the area plummeting.
NAILED IT so much of the homeless situation IS the direct result of liberal planning. Topside made some excellent points: a third of the homeless are drug addicts, a third can not cope in society's world. Yet who keeps pushing for more drug legalization? Will more drugs on the street solve the homeless situation or add to it. Even hillary and bernie should know this one. I remember growing up the state had "hospitals" for those who could not handle reality and live without being on the streets, liberals shut these places down as a violation of their rights. There is a fine line to walk to grant "everyone their rights? and to protect those who can not on their own chose what is best for them. but at least the "patients were not on the streets homeless. Topside has a pretty good assessment, and I would only add to it, Don't let the liberals have any say in how to fix a problem they had so much to do with creating.



Oh yeah, and don't let them solve the education issue either.


or any other problem



let them keep looking for that russian and Trump connection, that should keep the busy for years.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: walkstall on March 23, 2017, 05:03:14 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 22, 2017, 08:14:02 PM
So San Francisco has moved next to Multnomah County. All that is missing are the steep hills and the eco friendly shopping bags.

What do they do with the eco friendly shopping bags when the handles rip out.   :lol:

I will take a 275 Lb. test single wall corrugated box please.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 23, 2017, 06:05:18 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 22, 2017, 08:33:35 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

But the sun also created global cooling back when everyone wore leisure suits and publicly admitted they loved the Bee Gees.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OUCH!!! There's a mental image from the past I could do without. You could call it a "TRAGEDY"!
I never realized he wrote the libs theme song.

When the feeling's gone and you can't go on
It's tragedy
When the morning cries and you don't know why
It's hard to bear
With no one to love you, you're goin' nowhere
Tragedy

Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 23, 2017, 06:26:14 AM
Quote from: s3779m on March 23, 2017, 03:25:05 AM
NAILED IT so much of the homeless situation IS the direct result of liberal planning. Topside made some excellent points: a third of the homeless are drug addicts, a third can not cope in society's world. Yet who keeps pushing for more drug legalization? Will more drugs on the street solve the homeless situation or add to it. Even hillary and bernie should know this one. I remember growing up the state had "hospitals" for those who could not handle reality and live without being on the streets, liberals shut these places down as a violation of their rights. There is a fine line to walk to grant "everyone their rights? and to protect those who can not on their own chose what is best for them. but at least the "patients were not on the streets homeless. Topside has a pretty good assessment, and I would only add to it, Don't let the liberals have any say in how to fix a problem they had so much to do with creating.



Oh yeah, and don't let them solve the education issue either.


or any other problem



let them keep looking for that russian and Trump connection, that should keep the busy for years.
Exactly!
I think we're all waking to the reality that leftists never once cared about helping people.
With hindsight being 20/20, one merely needs to reconstruct a plan to destroy American capitalism and her values, and the Dim plan lays out perfectly a path of total destruction.
Granted we all knew it, but time hiding regression over decades, it became hard to convince anyone of this truth, but the last decade, with the help of the GOP has made it painfully clear the left was closing the corral gate on their plan to finish off the US.

Thank God they elected such an incompetent Marxist to finalize their agenda.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: zewazir on March 23, 2017, 11:24:16 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2017, 06:26:14 AM
Exactly!
I think we're all waking to the reality that leftists never once cared about helping people.
With hindsight being 20/20, one merely needs to reconstruct a plan to destroy American capitalism and her values, and the Dim plan lays out perfectly a path of total destruction.
Granted we all knew it, but time hiding regression over decades, it became hard to convince anyone of this truth, but the last decade, with the help of the GOP has made it painfully clear the left was closing the corral gate on their plan to finish off the US.

Thank God they elected such an incompetent Marxist to finalize their agenda.
And this is the great paradox of the entire humanist progressive movement. The leftist/Marxist politicos, who are awarded their authority by the gasping, mindless masses, invariably campaign for their respective offices on the platform of helping out the needy. But, in truth, not one of them actually gives a frog fart about the people - all they want is more power over everyday lives, because they are so miserable about the results of running their own lives, they want company. The "caring for the little guy" mantra has long been nothing more than an excuse to force more and more useful idiots into the nanny state dependency trap.

Similarly, the leftist supporters can be divided into two basic groups, neither of whom give a crap about others. The first group is, of course, those who are led to believe they benefit from the leftist policies. These are sad and angry people who have been taught from birth, starting with leftist led daycare facilities and preschools, on into the public education system (if they bother going after 8th grade) how they are entitled to all this "free" stuff - never quite waking up to the fact that TANSTAAFL is a truism without exception. Free means trading in one's liberties, one's self worth, and one's very soul for the so-called freebies they are "entitled" to because they were born into one of the protected classes. (Or these days, choose to self-identify with one...)

The second group of leftist supporters are little better than the politicos. They, too, don't give a crap about the little guy. They have their own concerns, just as the rest of us do: mortgage, car payment, college tuition for their spoiled rotten leftist kids. But in their ego-centric world, they are way too busy surviving themselves to be bothered doing anything themselves to help solve problems, or help the genuinely needy. (Which is why the majority of donations to private assistance programs, either material or time, come from people whose political philosophy leans to the conservative side.) So when a problem crops up, (or is invented) their response is to give it to the government to solve. Unwanted pregnancy - kill the little bastard before they become a REAL problem like their own spoiled brats. Can't afford the murder-for-hire? Let government pay for it, and who cares where the government gets the money from, as long as it isn't their paychecks. (ie: let those greedy, rich conservatives pay!) Thinking: leave it to the government. They are better at telling how to think. Ultimately leftist supporters who do no qualify for one of the many freebie programs are simply lazy, selfish abdicators of personal responsibility.
Title: Re: Multnomah County offers homeowners to house homeless in backyards
Post by: Solar on March 23, 2017, 03:11:22 PM
Quote from: zewazir on March 23, 2017, 11:24:16 AM
And this is the great paradox of the entire humanist progressive movement. The leftist/Marxist politicos, who are awarded their authority by the gasping, mindless masses, invariably campaign for their respective offices on the platform of helping out the needy. But, in truth, not one of them actually gives a frog fart about the people - all they want is more power over everyday lives, because they are so miserable about the results of running their own lives, they want company. The "caring for the little guy" mantra has long been nothing more than an excuse to force more and more useful idiots into the nanny state dependency trap.

Similarly, the leftist supporters can be divided into two basic groups, neither of whom give a crap about others. The first group is, of course, those who are led to believe they benefit from the leftist policies. These are sad and angry people who have been taught from birth, starting with leftist led daycare facilities and preschools, on into the public education system (if they bother going after 8th grade) how they are entitled to all this "free" stuff - never quite waking up to the fact that TANSTAAFL is a truism without exception. Free means trading in one's liberties, one's self worth, and one's very soul for the so-called freebies they are "entitled" to because they were born into one of the protected classes. (Or these days, choose to self-identify with one...)

The second group of leftist supporters are little better than the politicos. They, too, don't give a crap about the little guy. They have their own concerns, just as the rest of us do: mortgage, car payment, college tuition for their spoiled rotten leftist kids. But in their ego-centric world, they are way too busy surviving themselves to be bothered doing anything themselves to help solve problems, or help the genuinely needy. (Which is why the majority of donations to private assistance programs, either material or time, come from people whose political philosophy leans to the conservative side.) So when a problem crops up, (or is invented) their response is to give it to the government to solve. Unwanted pregnancy - kill the little bastard before they become a REAL problem like their own spoiled brats. Can't afford the murder-for-hire? Let government pay for it, and who cares where the government gets the money from, as long as it isn't their paychecks. (ie: let those greedy, rich conservatives pay!) Thinking: leave it to the government. They are better at telling how to think. Ultimately leftist supporters who do no qualify for one of the many freebie programs are simply lazy, selfish abdicators of personal responsibility.
Yep, it's why so many mentally ill enter the profession of psychiatry, they seek like minded people and answers.
It was never about helping people, it was always about filling a void and "feeling' normal. Proof liberalism is a mental disorder.