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Offline mdgiles

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Re: Money in Campaigns
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2012, 06:01:49 AM »
Well I don't want to force the people to pay for the campaigns of politicians they may disagree with through their taxes, I prefer simply putting a limit on what they can take in on their own efforts. Otherwise, candidates who have no chance of winning would be getting access to public money, what is there to stop stunt candidates from coming out en masse to receive public money for a campaign that will go nowhere?
Remember the Grey Davis recall election in California? Every idiot and his brother got on the ballot - including the idiot that won.
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

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Re: Money in Campaigns
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2012, 01:23:45 PM »
Here is something to consider too...

We've all seen how Democrats and Unions have no problem with bribing people to vote for them - giving them a few bucks, putting them on a bus and driving them across state lines to vote, as long as they vote Democrat.

With the only requirement for "Public Campaign Funding" being getting enough signatures to get onto the ballot, what's to keep a political party from spreading a little "walking around money" out to the masses to get them to sign the petition?

Or worse, what is to keep, let's say the Democrats for example, from financially supporting (under the table, of course) candidates with similar views to their primary rivals - say the Republicans. Now, these losers are on the ballot and get equal funding from to that of the Republicans.

Democrats win!

Of course, it could work the other way too, but the Republicans are too stupid to think of something like that!

As it stands now there are only minor differences between the Democrats and the Republicans - the Democrats want to drive us off the Fiscal Cliff going 100 mph, the Republicans want to do it doing only 75 mph!

Publicly funded elections will ensure that whatever difference remain between the two major parties evaporates.


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Re: Money in Campaigns
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2012, 08:57:32 PM »
We've all seen  how Democrats and Unions have no problem with bribing people to vote for them - giving them a few bucks, putting them on a bus and driving them across state lines to vote, as long as they vote Democrat.
NO WE HAVEN'T.
So, you have FIRST hand Knowledge of this?
AND didn't call the election officials?  and got them arrested!

NO, huh?
You do know there is a Dem and a GOP representative at EVERY,polling station, right?

So this is hearsay at best.  A right wingnut fairy tale, more than likely!

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We've all seen  how Democrats and Unions have no problem with bribing people to vote for them - giving them a few bucks, putting them on a bus and driving them across state lines to vote, as long as they vote Democrat.

I thought we were having a discussion based in reality.

You cons need to stop clinging to this fantasy that the elections were stolen because YOU lost.
You didn't even get close.

Bus loads of union members going between states, "for a few bucks" to commit felonies (possible 10 years), in a voting territory that they would have to be registered in,
 AND be able to fake the signature on file, with the knowledge that everyone is "On Alert" for voter fraud?

You guys drink THAT much koolaide, to believe this crap?

why are there never any stories about this in the MSM.
Just Rush and Beck and other wingnuts tell these tales yet strangely never an arrest or investigation.
Not so much as one story about BUS LOADS of people voting in different states.

listen to this lunacy.  time to get a grip guys


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but the Republicans are too stupid to think

Based on the rest of your post, I think you have this part right.

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Re: Money in Campaigns
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2012, 09:05:27 PM »
Well I don't want to force the people to pay for the campaigns of politicians they may disagree with through their taxes, I prefer simply putting a limit on what they can take in on their own efforts. Otherwise, candidates who have no chance of winning would be getting access to public money, what is there to stop stunt candidates from coming out en masse to receive public money for a campaign that will go nowhere?
Everyone putting 2 dollars in the kitty would provide hundreds of millions to pay for the PUBLICLY Funded elections.
No one would be "funding" a politician they disagreed with or supported.

You guys keep dnacing around the "election funding" issue, afraid to get labeled "socialist" by the conservative hardliners, but in reality the obvious answer IS publicly Funded, with a level playing field for everyone.

NOT just anyone will run, as some has said, if you need 20,000 signatures, to run for mayor,
that would take a serious commitment, especially if you couldn't just throw money at the signature process.

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Re: Money in Campaigns
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2012, 10:52:10 PM »
NO WE HAVEN'T.
So, you have FIRST hand Knowledge of this?
AND didn't call the election officials?  and got them arrested!

NO, huh?
You do know there is a Dem and a GOP representative at EVERY,polling station, right?

So this is hearsay at best.  A right wingnut fairy tale, more than likely!

I thought we were having a discussion based in reality.

You cons need to stop clinging to this fantasy that the elections were stolen because YOU lost.
You didn't even get close.

Bus loads of union members going between states, "for a few bucks" to commit felonies (possible 10 years), in a voting territory that they would have to be registered in,
 AND be able to fake the signature on file, with the knowledge that everyone is "On Alert" for voter fraud?

You guys drink THAT much koolaide, to believe this crap?

why are there never any stories about this in the MSM.
Just Rush and Beck and other wingnuts tell these tales yet strangely never an arrest or investigation.
Not so much as one story about BUS LOADS of people voting in different states.

listen to this lunacy.  time to get a grip guys


Based on the rest of your post, I think you have this part right.

You are going under the assumption that Democrats respect the Rule of Law, they don't!

As for your "felonies" Here is a Class C felony in broad daylight which the so-called Justice Department REFUSED TO PROSECUTE!



Don't tell me Democrats don't practice voter fraud! It is their bread and butter.

Or do you think it is just a coincidence that there hasn't been a Republican Mayor in Chicago in over 80 FUCKING YEARS!

No voter fraud my ass!

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Re: Money in Campaigns
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2012, 06:09:10 AM »
You are going under the assumption that Democrats respect the Rule of Law, they don't!

As for your "felonies" Here is a Class C felony in broad daylight which the so-called Justice Department REFUSED TO PROSECUTE!



Don't tell me Democrats don't practice voter fraud! It is their bread and butter.

Or do you think it is just a coincidence that there hasn't been a Republican Mayor in Chicago in over 80 FUCKING YEARS!

No voter fraud my ass!
No voter fraud? What exactly was the basis of all those big city political machines that the Democrats used to run?
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Re: Money in Campaigns
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2012, 07:27:11 PM »
I haven't seen a link to any REAL news story about any arrest or prosecution for voter fraud,
yet you guys go ON and ON about how MUCH of it there was.

Is this like believing in GOD?

You have to have faith.

Faith that voter fraud happens even though you have no proof of it.

Just like faith in Romney winning in a Landslide!

That was misplaced faith, huh?

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Re: Money in Campaigns
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2012, 11:57:14 PM »
I haven't seen a link to any REAL news story about any arrest or prosecution for voter fraud,
yet you guys go ON and ON about how MUCH of it there was.



And you know what, after 1933 and until 1945, in the German press you wouldn't have seen one "Real" news story about any arrest or prosecution for Jews being harassed, beaten or killed.

So, I guess that didn't happen either... :rolleyes:


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Re: Money in Campaigns
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2012, 06:24:30 AM »
And you know what, after 1933 and until 1945, in the German press you wouldn't have seen one "Real" news story about any arrest or prosecution for Jews being harassed, beaten or killed.

So, I guess that didn't happen either... :rolleyes:
OUCH!!!
Painfully excellent comparison.
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