Quote from: redbeard on November 11, 2014, 01:25:02 PM
The problem with a Constitutional Convention is I don't trust any politician with the power to re-wright or constitution.
With a Constitutional Convention all the rights in the bill of rights could be re-written with some of our most basic rights redefined with an added word here and a word removed there until your basic rights no longer exist!
If the constitution needs work it should be done through the amendment process!

According to Mark Levin our Constitution provides this mechanism for revisiting the Constitution with representatives from each state attending a convention. Levin says that the authority of the representatives is limited to only the specific purpose the states have sent representatives to discuss and nothing more!  If this is the case, the issues will be well known by all Americans before delegates are chosen.

Quote from: wally on November 22, 2014, 03:49:52 PM
According to Mark Levin our Constitution provides this mechanism for revisiting the Constitution with representatives from each state attending a convention. Levin says that the authority of the representatives is limited to only the specific purpose the states have sent representatives to discuss and nothing more!  If this is the case, the issues will be well known by all Americans before delegates are chosen.

Levin is correct and anyone can read Article 5 of the U.S. Constitution and see exactly what he is talking about.

However...

The problem is that the majority of the state legislatures are just as f**ked up as Congress is!

I really do hate to keep picking on the Mafia, but it is kind of like the Chicago Mob meeting to tell the New York Mob to get its act together!

Darth

Quote from: taxed on November 07, 2014, 12:38:36 PM
A must read.  He even warns about how "governing" is political speak for "cronyism".

http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/06/mike-lees-plan-to-fix-congress/

He has put forth a "nice" plan.

However it won't pass, won't ever be enacted, and won't ever do a damned thing for fixing the broken FED government of this nation.

In short, it's more grandstanding, to make it appear they're doing something when they aren't really.

Just like this "lawsuit" against THE OBAMA.

That is NOT the prescribed, Constitutional method of dealing with a corrupt, lying, tyrannical, despotic, President like the one we have now.

No the Constitution says the Congress is supposed to introduce and either pass or fail articles of impeachment.

Which is why I say the lawsuit is also, grandstanding to make it appear they're doing something in Washington to fix our Government.

When in reality this lawsuit will do nada, to reign in THE OBAMA and make it clear to him that no he is not DICTATOR.

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 22, 2014, 11:30:36 PM
Levin is correct and anyone can read Article 5 of the U.S. Constitution and see exactly what he is talking about.

However...

The problem is that the majority of the state legislatures are just as f**ked up as Congress is!

I really do hate to keep picking on the Mafia, but it is kind of like the Chicago Mob meeting to tell the New York Mob to get its act together!

Darth
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Maybe we (the people) have yet to suffer enough of "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" to stand up as one great body and declare "enough is enough" in one united voice, as our (my) parent's generation did when they defeated the worldwide movement toward totalitarianism in their day!  I BELIEVE in the goodness of the American people (as Ronald Reagan did) and I think the nation will awaken and toss this cabal into the dustbin of history!
When that day comes, the convention addressed in the Constitution, may be the mechanism for righting a whole lot of wrongs!

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 22, 2014, 11:30:36 PM
Levin is correct and anyone can read Article 5 of the U.S. Constitution and see exactly what he is talking about.

However...

The problem is that the majority of the state legislatures are just as f**ked up as Congress is!

I really do hate to keep picking on the Mafia, but it is kind of like the Chicago Mob meeting to tell the New York Mob to get its act together!

Darth

Maybe we (the people) have yet to suffer enough of "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" to stand up as one great body and declare "enough is enough" in one united voice, as our (my) parent's generation did when they defeated the worldwide movement toward totalitarianism in their day!  I BELIEVE in the goodness of the American people (as Ronald Reagan did) and I think the nation will awaken and toss this cabal into the dustbin of history!
When that day comes, the convention addressed in the Constitution, may be the mechanism for righting a whole lot of wrongs!

Quote from: daidalos on November 24, 2014, 07:18:53 AM
He has put forth a "nice" plan.

I thought so.

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However it won't pass, won't ever be enacted, and won't ever do a damned thing for fixing the broken FED government of this nation.

What is "it" in this context that you are so certain is doomed?

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In short, it's more grandstanding, to make it appear they're doing something when they aren't really.

He addressed issues and talked about what needed to be done.  Please post a RINO who has remotely written anything like this.

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Just like this "lawsuit" against THE OBAMA.

That is NOT the prescribed, Constitutional method of dealing with a corrupt, lying, tyrannical, despotic, President like the one we have now.

No the Constitution says the Congress is supposed to introduce and either pass or fail articles of impeachment.

Which is why I say the lawsuit is also, grandstanding to make it appear they're doing something in Washington to fix our Government.

When in reality this lawsuit will do nada, to reign in THE OBAMA and make it clear to him that no he is not DICTATOR.

I agree.  The lawsuit is just a sideshow.  Nobody here thinks it's anything but.  Let's get the 114th get sworn in and apply heat.  We're fighting.  Try to see the positive in what's going on.  The GOP feeds off your negativity, because they think you're hopeless and will just give up.

Quote from: taxed on November 12, 2014, 10:40:34 AM
Who said that?

I may be out of line here, but I was once informed by CPF administration that if we make statements here, we should back them up with proper links, and not an airy excuse somebody else isn't there to do the linkage for them, or heard something but may not be the whole thing.....

Daisy, get your act together. Hearsay doesn't cut it. Articles without links are worthless.

Taxed: I said that.

Quote from: Solar on November 12, 2014, 11:05:15 AM
Daisy, you do realize this is a debate forum. When someone makes a claim and the other challenges it, running away is noting more than conceding your opponent is right.
But to continue to stand on a point you've already conceded, is something libs are noted for.
I know you're better than that.

See above.

Lots of food for thought in the article, which makes so much sense it doesn't stand a prayer under old-school power-mongers in the Grand Old Party. Would it take ten years to achieve? Ever notice ten years is two more than either party can reasonably expect to hold the White House? Plenty of wriggle-room, spread out that long.

Long-term planning is something that starts well and ends in tar, frozen and shelved and then ridiculed by future money-wasters. To IMPROVE existing programs means firing incompetent civil service, rotating others to bring in fresh approaches, and most of all putting the fear of unemployment back into the hearts of EVERY federal employee. We are not their servants.

Good luck trying that with entrenched unions in D.C., who believe that we ARE.

And yes, two days after victory and now he hands out THIS? When do we see the "exploration committee" announcement for a White House run?

Quote from: quiller on December 01, 2014, 02:23:28 AM
Lots of food for thought in the article...

And yes, two days after victory and now he hands out THIS? When do we see the "exploration committee" announcement for a White House run?

Yeah, I re-read my response, which was clumsily hasty... but Lee's article seemed pre-written, or pasted from scraps of unused speeches.  If the article came out yesterday, he would've sounded less like a 'disappointed dad' figure.

Quote from: quiller on December 01, 2014, 02:11:15 AM
See above.

Noted.

Quote from: taxed on November 08, 2014, 10:17:41 AM
We're not a welfare nation.  We work.  We're not France.  Welfare is enormous (I think 50% of spending now?), but that doesn't reflect the country.  That reflects the corruption of the government.  Look at the welfare spending, and think if that really goes to any remote fraction of people.  Of course it doesn't.

I do not think Washinton can change Washington. There is a lot of power and money to be had in welfare programs.

I believe we have become a welfare nation, no longer center-right. We are now left-center. We have one more legal means to restore the Constitution to its rightful role as the federal government's limiter. If we do not demand of our state legislatures that they petition the Congress for an Article V Convention of States to propose amendments then the rebellion that must come will come.

Quote from: MisterVeritis on December 05, 2014, 01:58:51 PM
I do not think Washinton can change Washington. There is a lot of power and money to be had in welfare programs.

I believe we have become a welfare nation, no longer center-right. We are now left-center. We have one more legal means to restore the Constitution to its rightful role as the federal government's limiter. If we do not demand of our state legislatures that they petition the Congress for an Article V Convention of States to propose amendments then the rebellion that must come will come.

Quote from: taxed on December 07, 2014, 06:17:59 AM

LSM watchers glued to whatever TV tells them to believe.

Quote from: taxed on December 07, 2014, 06:17:59 AM

And of all that glorious red in your immensely fine and heart-warming map, sire, where are the indicators of who remains a true Republican, as opposed to Republican in Name Only?

I've got a feeling (you know, one of those dreaded FEELINGS that sets Solar off and Bert into footer-image-changes) that just saying REPUBLICAN is simply not enough.

FEELINGS that half those bastards belong in the Donks and the other half on the gallows.

/feelings, angst, etc.