We have to hang together or we surely will be hanged indiividually! 

Quote from: taxed on November 07, 2014, 12:38:36 PM
A must read.  He even warns about how "governing" is political speak for "cronyism".

http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/06/mike-lees-plan-to-fix-congress/

Lee really does get it.

QuoteAs it happens, these are all good ideas that I support. But if that's as far as Republicans go, we will regret it. The GOP's biggest branding problem is that Americans think we're the party of Big Business and The Rich. If our "Show-We-Can-Govern" agenda can be fairly attacked as giving Big Business what it wants—while the rest of the country suffers—we will only reinforce that unpopular image.

Insofar as the pent-up K Street agenda includes good ideas, then by all means let's pass those pieces by huge margins and send them to the president. But a new Republican majority must also make clear that our support for free enterprise cuts both ways—we're pro-free market, not simply pro-business. To prove that point, we must target the crony capitalist policies that rig our economy for large corporations and special interests at the expense of everyone else—especially small and new businesses.

The easiest bipartisan measures to pass are almost always bills that directly benefit Big Business, and thus appeal to the corporatist establishments of both parties.
In other words, Republicans should seek common ground between conservative principles and the interests and needs of the general public, not just between Washington Republicans and Washington Democrats. And the search for that genuinely common ground will point to a lot of low-hanging fruit too, even when it comes to the proper relationship between government and business. We could pass legislation winding down the Export-Import Bank or the Overseas Private Investment Corporation. We could—and really, must—eliminate the taxpayer bailouts for big insurance companies in Obamacare's "risk corridors" program. Or we could start to break up taxpayer subsidies for the energy industry or large agribusinesses.

Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2014, 06:34:29 AM
You really need to take a clean slate approach when you view the inner workings of the GOP.
The GOP, going back in time before the election was corrupted by people whom cared nothing for the country or their constituents, but after the election, all of that changed.
The people spoke, they didn't just throw Marxists out, they went after the socialists in the GOP, and no matter how the media spins it, Bitch McConnell lost power.

The party gained huge amounts of Conservatives in 2010, and took a majority this year. The illusion the media is trying to create is that RINO retained power, when no such thing happened.
So try and clear your mind and see reality, that the nation wants Conservatives running things, and the only way to do that is turn off the TV and leave the leftist rags in the bottom of the birdcage where they belong and plunge yourself into raw data, not some leftists interpretation of what they want the numbers to look like.

Here is where I'm coming from, my friend.

I've abandoned my 3rd Party ways and accepted the fact than if we are to return this nation to greatness, we must work within the Republican Party. To do this, RINOs, must not just be curbed, they must be purged from the party and the Tea Party faction must become the dominate voice in of the Republican Party.

In 2010 the Republican Party was on the verge of becoming a non-entity. It was saved from oblivion solely by the efforts, and popularity of the Tea Party movement. However, within 6 months of the Tea Party win that gave the Republican control of the House, the RINOs majority was once again exerting dictatorial control over the House and Senate, bad mouthing the Tea Party, and trying to get back to "business as usual" - meaning appeasing the Democrats at every turn and raking in tons of Crony Capitalist money.

They continued this well worn patter of behavior right through the 2012 election and in doing so, handed the White House back to Obama on a silver platter!

Even in this election, RINOs have actively opposed any Conservative minded candidate in an ugly, viscous manner (Mississippi comes to mind) and did their best to ensure that as few Tea Party aligned Republicans were on the ballots as possible.

The RINOs/Old Boy Republican Establishment will say that this unprecedented win is proof that the Nation prefers their agenda of go-along-to-get-along to the more "radical" Tea Party of fiscal and social conservatism.

Now that they have the Senate, they are going to do exactly what they did after the 2012 elections - they are going to declare war on Conservatism in general and the Tea Party in particular. The first shot in this war was McConnell statement that, "There will be no Government Shutdown".

I don't trust either Boehner or McConnell further than I can could throw either of those fat tubs of lard! As one Democrat politician noted, "A leopard can't change his stripes."   

I'm back and I'm a Republican, but I refuse to settle for the status quo of the Republican Establishment. I believe we need to apply Reagan's maxium - Trust, but Verify - first and foremost to our own party!

Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 08, 2014, 09:08:34 AM
Here is where I'm coming from, my friend.

I've abandoned my 3rd Party ways and accepted the fact than if we are to return this nation to greatness, we must work within the Republican Party. To do this, RINOs, must not just be curbed, they must be purged from the party and the Tea Party faction must become the dominate voice in of the Republican Party.

In 2010 the Republican Party was on the verge of becoming a non-entity. It was saved from oblivion solely by the efforts, and popularity of the Tea Party movement. However, within 6 months of the Tea Party win that gave the Republican control of the House, the RINOs majority was once again exerting dictatorial control over the House and Senate, bad mouthing the Tea Party, and trying to get back to "business as usual" - meaning appeasing the Democrats at every turn and raking in tons of Crony Capitalist money.

They continued this well worn patter of behavior right through the 2012 election and in doing so, handed the White House back to Obama on a silver platter!

Even in this election, RINOs have actively opposed any Conservative minded candidate in an ugly, viscous manner (Mississippi comes to mind) and did their best to ensure that as few Tea Party aligned Republicans were on the ballots as possible.

The RINOs/Old Boy Republican Establishment will say that this unprecedented win is proof that the Nation prefers their agenda of go-along-to-get-along to the more "radical" Tea Party of fiscal and social conservatism.

Now that they have the Senate, they are going to do exactly what they did after the 2012 elections - they are going to declare war on Conservatism in general and the Tea Party in particular. The first shot in this war was McConnell statement that, "There will be no Government Shutdown".

I don't trust either Boehner or McConnell further than I can could throw either of those fat tubs of lard! As one Democrat politician noted, "A leopard can't change his stripes."   

I'm back and I'm a Republican, but I refuse to settle for the status quo of the Republican Establishment. I believe we need to apply Reagan's maxium - Trust, but Verify - first and foremost to our own party!

Darth

I pretty much agree with your synopsis as to how we arrived to where we currently, with a caveat.
Lee is smart in what he is saying at this point in the game, but he too, knows there are still two months to go before any real change can be asserted.

What you're hearing in the media about Mitch winning control, is pure hype with the help of the leftist media, and if any of that were true, it simply wouldn't be echoed in the media, it would be a given, and one the left would avoid pointing out, in fact, they would do all they could to undermine such an achievement.

No, Bitch is not secure in his position by any stretch of the imagination, his position is tentative at best.
His shot at Cruz with his claim their would be no govt shutdown, was just that, a bluff of feigned power.
Fact is, Cruz is orchestrating Bitch's removal as we speak, he is aligning with TEA and other Conservatives within the GOP and playing a serious game of political chess and bringing a majority online to defeat Bitch.

People gravitate towards true leadership, something Bitch simply does not have, something Cruz carries naturally.
All I can say, is be patient, ignore the shit you hear from the LSM, because it's all hype.

Quote from: wally on November 08, 2014, 07:26:54 AM
I wish I could BELIEVE in what you say the people's clear message was.  I find it very difficlt to even  HOPE  that American's have woke up to what their handouts from Big Goverment has given them and they really are preparred to CHANGE their own addictions to the crumbs the Oligarch's scape off their plates.

Unfortunately, just like Hitler and Stalin knew that the ignorant  masses would allow them to do pretty much anything they wanted for a few loaves of bread, Obama and his cabal continue to "hear" the voices of those who do not speak for themselves (by voting) and who blindly follow and obey their Leaders, for the meager crumbs scaped off their Mastah's platess!

Such, is the was with Oligrchies and the elite Aristocats who have learned the way to maintain power is to treat their subjects like happy little mushrooms; keep them in the dark and feed them shit!

We're not a welfare nation.  We work.  We're not France.  Welfare is enormous (I think 50% of spending now?), but that doesn't reflect the country.  That reflects the corruption of the government.  Look at the welfare spending, and think if that really goes to any remote fraction of people.  Of course it doesn't.

Of those, they're in a minority.  A lot, and a lot more than should be, yes, but that is a government problem -- not a voting problem.

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 08, 2014, 09:08:34 AM
Here is where I'm coming from, my friend.

I've abandoned my 3rd Party ways and accepted the fact than if we are to return this nation to greatness, we must work within the Republican Party. To do this, RINOs, must not just be curbed, they must be purged from the party and the Tea Party faction must become the dominate voice in of the Republican Party.

In 2010 the Republican Party was on the verge of becoming a non-entity. It was saved from oblivion solely by the efforts, and popularity of the Tea Party movement. However, within 6 months of the Tea Party win that gave the Republican control of the House, the RINOs majority was once again exerting dictatorial control over the House and Senate, bad mouthing the Tea Party, and trying to get back to "business as usual" - meaning appeasing the Democrats at every turn and raking in tons of Crony Capitalist money.

They continued this well worn patter of behavior right through the 2012 election and in doing so, handed the White House back to Obama on a silver platter!

Even in this election, RINOs have actively opposed any Conservative minded candidate in an ugly, viscous manner (Mississippi comes to mind) and did their best to ensure that as few Tea Party aligned Republicans were on the ballots as possible.

The RINOs/Old Boy Republican Establishment will say that this unprecedented win is proof that the Nation prefers their agenda of go-along-to-get-along to the more "radical" Tea Party of fiscal and social conservatism.

Now that they have the Senate, they are going to do exactly what they did after the 2012 elections - they are going to declare war on Conservatism in general and the Tea Party in particular. The first shot in this war was McConnell statement that, "There will be no Government Shutdown".

I don't trust either Boehner or McConnell further than I can could throw either of those fat tubs of lard! As one Democrat politician noted, "A leopard can't change his stripes."   

I'm back and I'm a Republican, but I refuse to settle for the status quo of the Republican Establishment. I believe we need to apply Reagan's maxium - Trust, but Verify - first and foremost to our own party!

Darth

I agree you!  Many many years ago, I became so frustrate with the Good Old Boys of the GOP that they drove me into foolishness'  I VOTED FOR ROSS PAROT (just to voice my dissatisfaction with Bob Dole, as their backroom pick of the guy who's turn it was. I might as well have voted for Clinton!  I learned my lesson, the GOP must be changed from witin the party, or we'll have the much worse alternativve!

(I had prevotedviously  for Ronald Reagan, as much to vote against Bob Dole and George HW Bush, as I did for this inspirational speaker. I was surprised to see what a great leader and stateman, this actor turned out to be.  Ronald Reagan, demonstrated to me that he was the best POTUS I had seen in my lifetime-before or since.  However, unlike the Obamist Sheeple, I saw Reagan's faults, as well as his greatness.  I never Deified Regan, as the left does with Obama!  Reagan was a great man,a great Leader AND A GREAT AMERICAN...BUT HE WAS JUST A MAN!

The system the founders have in place seems to work.  Two years ago I was looking at tall buildings saying "hmmm....".  Two years later, the Democrats are essentially flushed from the country.  Regardless if the Dems lost or the GOP lost, last Tuesday proves when the country is pissed, we still have the power.  We still have our Second Amendment, even though we have to fight back those constrictions.  We can still keep most of our money, but we need to fight back the IRS and fight for better tax regulation.  We're in power to reduce government, and will be in 2016 as well.  I've been saying this isn't an overnight thing, but damn, what happened Tuesday night sure helps grease things along a little better.

Regarding Lee's article, it put me at ease that someone really gets it.  That message was a direct hit to any worries I have that we have actual conservatives in DC.  Are we the majority?  Of course not, but we're trending in that direction.  The majority is great, but the positive I see is we are a NET positive in conservatives.  Look how much havoc just Cruz and Lee brought to the RINOs the past few years.  That's two conservatives.  Now we have more of a hand full, WITH the indisputable message of the country.  Swimming upstream politically and still getting victories is one thing, but having more conservatives after the message sent Tuesday will pave a lot less resistance.  We can fear McConnell all we want, but the other RINOs coming up in 2016 will be in his ear, because the system the founders put in place works.

Quote from: taxed on November 08, 2014, 11:03:57 AM
The system the founders have in place seems to work.  Two years ago I was looking at tall buildings saying "hmmm....".  Two years later, the Democrats are essentially flushed from the country.  Regardless if the Dems lost or the GOP lost, last Tuesday proves when the country is pissed, we still have the power.  We still have our Second Amendment, even though we have to fight back those constrictions.  We can still keep most of our money, but we need to fight back the IRS and fight for better tax regulation.  We're in power to reduce government, and will be in 2016 as well.  I've been saying this isn't an overnight thing, but damn, what happened Tuesday night sure helps grease things along a little better.

Regarding Lee's article, it put me at ease that someone really gets it.  That message was a direct hit to any worries I have that we have actual conservatives in DC.  Are we the majority?  Of course not, but we're trending in that direction.  The majority is great, but the positive I see is we are a NET positive in conservatives.  Look how much havoc just Cruz and Lee brought to the RINOs the past few years.  That's two conservatives.  Now we have more of a hand full, WITH the indisputable message of the country.  Swimming upstream politically and still getting victories is one thing, but having more conservatives after the message sent Tuesday will pave a lot less resistance.  We can fear McConnell all we want, but the other RINOs coming up in 2016 will be in his ear, because the system the founders put in place works.

I BELIEVE the best we can HOPE for is that we CHANGE the pendulum swing from left to right! Obama will have been in office eight years by the next election.  Much of what we want to see may take a decade to achieve, if it is possible to do so.  During that time, perhaps the GIVEME GENERATION will have come of age and decided that working for something, along with all of the risks that come with that, is far better than HOPING and BELIEVING that the CHANGE for the better in your personal life can and will  given to you by a BIG NANNY STATE.  (remember we still have the media and acedemia brainwashing the stoopid and the ignorant!)

Quote from: wally on November 08, 2014, 11:48:16 AM
I BELIEVE the best we can HOPE for is that we CHANGE the pendulum swing from left to right!

Taking over the majority of the Federal, State, and Local from the Democrats to Republican is a start.  A lot of RINOs were caught up in the wave, but a lot will be flushed out.  We made traction.

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Obama will have been in office eight years by the next election.

Yes.  He tried to destroy us, and failed.  The next two years are just golf time for him.

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  Much of what we want to see may take a decade to achieve,

Yes.  Maybe even longer.  If you are one to think the wave instantly changes things, then you will continue to not be hopeful and send that negativity into the universe.  I want to see traction, and the Democrat flushing was a good start.  The Dem party was a Marxist party. That got wiped out.  Now we can get back to purging the Marxists from our own party.

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if it is possible to do so.

Enough people died for our country over the years, so I'll stay optimistic and not be all droopy and negative -- at least for them.

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  During that time, perhaps the GIVEME GENERATION will have come of age and decided that working for something, along with all of the risks that come with that, is far better than HOPING and BELIEVING that the CHANGE for the better in your personal life can and will  given to you by a BIG NANNY STATE.  (remember we still have the media and acedemia brainwashing the stoopid and the ignorant!)

I don't expect a coming of age.  I expect a gradual, slow movement back towards those values.  You may live in one of those concentrated blue districts that you need a magnifying glass to find on the election map, but trust me, most of the country is not like that.  The kids also understand the basics.  For every young wannabe Marxist in college being educated by a Marxist, there are 1000 of us in the real world making shit happen. 

http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/06/mike-lees-plan-to-fix-congress/

      That statement is an excellent piece of work.  The Party has found the right Senator to head the Senate Steering Committee.
      A fact that was often considered a kind of jab is that the nation never did better than it did during the times the government was shut down.     Obviously, not a long term solution, but a definite suggestion that the less Washington does, the better off we all are..  I see that principle running through much of Senator Lee's outline, including the part about repealing Obama care.

Lee's getting too lofty too quick.  -2 days after the election and the grassrooters get a methodical behavioral-treatise??     

The grassrooters just 'fixed' Congress on Tuesday.  Don't side-room us yet, Mike.  We're not finished.   

Quote from: kit saginaw on November 09, 2014, 04:55:21 AM
Lee's getting too lofty too quick.  -2 days after the election and the grassrooters get a methodical behavioral-treatise??     

The grassrooters just 'fixed' Congress on Tuesday.  Don't side-room us yet, Mike.  We're not finished.

Nothing wrong with someone presenting their blue print for the construction project which lays ahead.  There undubtedly will be alterations to the original plans and punchlists of tasks which must be completed within a timetable which has yet to be developed.

Quote from: taxed on November 08, 2014, 11:03:57 AM
The system the founders have in place seems to work.  Two years ago I was looking at tall buildings saying "hmmm....".  Two years later, the Democrats are essentially flushed from the country.  Regardless if the Dems lost or the GOP lost, last Tuesday proves when the country is pissed, we still have the power.  We still have our Second Amendment, even though we have to fight back those constrictions.  We can still keep most of our money, but we need to fight back the IRS and fight for better tax regulation.  We're in power to reduce government, and will be in 2016 as well.  I've been saying this isn't an overnight thing, but damn, what happened Tuesday night sure helps grease things along a little better.

Regarding Lee's article, it put me at ease that someone really gets it.  That message was a direct hit to any worries I have that we have actual conservatives in DC.  Are we the majority?  Of course not, but we're trending in that direction.  The majority is great, but the positive I see is we are a NET positive in conservatives.  Look how much havoc just Cruz and Lee brought to the RINOs the past few years.  That's two conservatives.  Now we have more of a hand full, WITH the indisputable message of the country.  Swimming upstream politically and still getting victories is one thing, but having more conservatives after the message sent Tuesday will pave a lot less resistance.  We can fear McConnell all we want, but the other RINOs coming up in 2016 will be in his ear, because the system the founders put in place works.

Mike really does get it, as do some of the other Congress members he named as well as Demint in the Heritage Foundation.

Thanx taxed for posting this article.  It is a confidence builder.

Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2014, 10:15:04 AM
I pretty much agree with your synopsis as to how we arrived to where we currently, with a caveat.
Lee is smart in what he is saying at this point in the game, but he too, knows there are still two months to go before any real change can be asserted.

What you're hearing in the media about Mitch winning control, is pure hype with the help of the leftist media, and if any of that were true, it simply wouldn't be echoed in the media, it would be a given, and one the left would avoid pointing out, in fact, they would do all they could to undermine such an achievement.

No, Bitch is not secure in his position by any stretch of the imagination, his position is tentative at best.
His shot at Cruz with his claim their would be no govt shutdown, was just that, a bluff of feigned power.
Fact is, Cruz is orchestrating Bitch's removal as we speak, he is aligning with TEA and other Conservatives within the GOP and playing a serious game of political chess and bringing a majority online to defeat Bitch.

People gravitate towards true leadership, something Bitch simply does not have, something Cruz carries naturally.
All I can say, is be patient, ignore the shit you hear from the LSM, because it's all hype.

Solar:  You were right on the money about the mid-terms and I have no doubt you are right on the money about this as well; so I will heed your words and ignore the crap coming from the LSM.  Thanks!   

Quote from: suzziY on November 09, 2014, 06:38:44 PM
Solar:  You were right on the money about the mid-terms and I have no doubt you are right on the money about this as well; so I will heed your words and ignore the crap coming from the LSM.  Thanks!   

We've definitely got a lot to say grace over, haven't we?  I'm still pinching myself.  Like Gov Haley says everyday, "It's a good day in SC".  That goes for all the other states that have awakened. 

There's still alot of RINOS in our camp though.  Some of them are freshmen, just joined.  Gop leadership will root these out.