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Title: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: JustKari on January 23, 2013, 03:04:21 PM
I was not sure if I should put this here, or the religion forum.

Dearborn MI has one of the highest populations of Muslims in the US.  McDonald's there offered to prepare certain foods according to Muslim requirements (halal).  The complaintant alleged that he was served a non-halal chicken sandwich, and sued 2 of the stores.  He won because MDs settled.

So what are your thoughts on this?  Part of me says, if they are dumb enough to promise such foolishness, they deserve it.  Another side of me says, you can't even trust MDs to make regular menu items consistently, if your salvation depends on properly prepared food, perhaps that particular establishment should be avoided.
http://www.pressandguide.com/articles/2013/01/23/business/doc50ffe33ddcf97890905721.txt?viewmode=2 (http://www.pressandguide.com/articles/2013/01/23/business/doc50ffe33ddcf97890905721.txt?viewmode=2)

Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: BILLY Defiant on January 23, 2013, 03:20:32 PM
Quote from: JustKari on January 23, 2013, 03:04:21 PM
I was not sure if I should put this here, or the religion forum.

Dearborn MI has one of the highest populations of Muslims in the US.  McDonald's there offered to prepare certain foods according to Muslim requirements (halal).  The complaintant alleged that he was served a non-halal chicken sandwich, and sued 2 of the stores.  He won because MDs settled.

So what are your thoughts on this?  Part of me says, if they are dumb enough to promise such foolishness, they deserve it.  Another side of me says, you can't even trust MDs to make regular menu items consistently, if your salvation depends on properly prepared food, perhaps that particular establishment should be avoided.
http://www.pressandguide.com/articles/2013/01/23/business/doc50ffe33ddcf97890905721.txt?viewmode=2 (http://www.pressandguide.com/articles/2013/01/23/business/doc50ffe33ddcf97890905721.txt?viewmode=2)


My thoughts are if you don;t like it do buy and don't eat it. There is NO requirement for a resturaunt to carry certain types of food.

They shouldn't win....but in this day an age you never know what some idit judge will rule.


--edit by taxed -- fixed broken quote
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: kramarat on January 23, 2013, 04:13:39 PM
I hate to say it, but once business owners of bars and restaurants allowed government to ban smoking, they gave away the farm.

Salt and transfats are regulated in NYC.

I could see this becoming some crazy hate crime.

Lesson learned: Don't let the government get their foot in the door. If McDs promised to make special food for them; they shouldn't have.

Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Byteryder on January 23, 2013, 04:14:00 PM
I dont see any obligation, public or private, to accede to any Religious based demands.  Peroid.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Solar on January 23, 2013, 04:25:24 PM
I have a feeling it was a muscum owned MickeyDs, and the owner wanted to increase traffic, and failed miserably, now he has to face the consequences.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: kramarat on January 23, 2013, 04:36:07 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2013, 04:25:24 PM
I have a feeling it was a muscum owned MickeyDs, and the owner wanted to increase traffic, and failed miserably, now he has to face the consequences.

Maybe, but it also looks like a catch 22. They can't deny service to anyone, based on religion...........so are they obligated to serve special food for them?

All of this government imposed togetherness is really starting to suck!

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/restaurants-right-to-refuse-service.html (http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/restaurants-right-to-refuse-service.html)
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Cryptic Bert on January 23, 2013, 04:45:44 PM
It's barely food  to begin with. Since when does a private business have to cater to a specific demographic?
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: JustKari on January 23, 2013, 05:09:30 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 23, 2013, 04:45:44 PM
It's barely food  to begin with. Since when does a private business have to cater to a specific demographic?

I am not sure they do, but they said they would, and therein is the problem.  The other problem is that this case is completely one persons word against the word of the business.

So here is another question, if they did run out of the specially prepared foods, and refused service for that reason, would they have been sued anyway?
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Yawn on January 23, 2013, 05:14:52 PM
I work withing sight of that Beautiful Abomination.

McDonalds shouldn't make promises they can't keep. They serve a large Muslim population there. They were fined because they lied--just like with the french fry issue a few years ago.

I went to that McDonalds on Monday. It's the only McDonalds I've ever been to where I was waited on by a young woman in covered with a scarf--a very pretty Muslim woman.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Cryptic Bert on January 23, 2013, 05:48:04 PM
The last thing they want is a woman in a scarf working the fryer...
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Yawn on January 23, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
Quote from: JustKari on January 23, 2013, 05:09:30 PM
I am not sure they do, but they said they would, and therein is the problem.  The other problem is that this case is completely one persons word against the word of the business.

So here is another question, if they did run out of the specially prepared foods, and refused service for that reason, would they have been sued anyway?

Yes. They weren't FORCED to prepare food that way. They did it for BUSINESS--to gain the large Muslim population.

QuoteFor food products to be billed as halal, they have to be prepared according to strict Islamic dietary laws. The criteria specifies which foods are allowed (pork, for example, is forbidden) as well as how the food must be prepared. If God's name isn't invoked before an animal is slaughtered, no dice. http://newyork.grubstreet.com/2013/01/mcdonalds-lawsuit-halal-food.html (http://newyork.grubstreet.com/2013/01/mcdonalds-lawsuit-halal-food.html)
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 06:11:43 PM
Quote from: Yawn on January 23, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
Yes. They weren't FORCED to prepare food that way. They did it for BUSINESS--to gain the large Muslim population.

Thank you for saying this! It makes me wonder who actually read the story before jumping on it. If a restaurant says they will adhere to these restrictions, and then completely go against it, they deserve to loose some of their billions. No one forced MD's to make that offer, they didn't all on their own, and now they get to pay for lying. I'm cool with that.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Byteryder on January 23, 2013, 06:55:25 PM
Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 06:11:43 PM
Thank you for saying this! It makes me wonder who actually read the story before jumping on it. If a restaurant says they will adhere to these restrictions, and then completely go against it, they deserve to loose some of their billions. No one forced MD's to make that offer, they didn't all on their own, and now they get to pay for lying. I'm cool with that.

I did not read it closley enough. Obviously.  Having now done so, McDs crime is false advertising.  If they advertise certain menu items as Halal, they should do as advertised or suffer the consequences.

Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 06:57:37 PM
Quote from: Byteryder on January 23, 2013, 06:55:25 PM
I did not read it closley enough. Obviously.  Having now done so, McDs crime is false advertising.  If they advertise certain menu items as Halal, they should do as advertised or suffer the consequences.

Totally agree!!!
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Solar on January 23, 2013, 07:37:54 PM
Quote from: kramarat on January 23, 2013, 04:36:07 PM
Maybe, but it also looks like a catch 22. They can't deny service to anyone, based on religion...........so are they obligated to serve special food for them?

All of this government imposed togetherness is really starting to suck!

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/restaurants-right-to-refuse-service.html (http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/restaurants-right-to-refuse-service.html)
At the moment, no, the Fed cannot, the only one they can dictate to are businesses receiving Govt grants.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: kramarat on January 24, 2013, 03:07:43 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2013, 07:37:54 PM
At the moment, no, the Fed cannot, the only one they can dictate to are businesses receiving Govt grants.

Yep, they blew it by adverising it. It's still not worthy of a stupid lawsuit. :mad:
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Turks on January 24, 2013, 03:19:11 AM
Once again political correctness wins out over common sense...don't like it...don't buy it.  Remember the idiot woman who spilled hot coffee in her lap because she put it on the dashboard of a moving car.  Mikey D lost that one too.  Idiocy gets rewarded.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: CubaLibre on January 24, 2013, 05:14:21 AM
Quote from: Yawn on January 23, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
Yes. They weren't FORCED to prepare food that way. They did it for BUSINESS--to gain the large Muslim population.
If a business chooses to sell a certain product, it's on them to commit to it. This McDonald's made that choice. Therefore, it's on them.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: hailtothethief on January 24, 2013, 10:44:42 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2013, 04:25:24 PM
I have a feeling it was a muscum owned MickeyDs, and the owner wanted to increase traffic, and failed miserably, now he has to face the consequences.

Ahh yes, muscum. And you're shocked, SHOCKED when people say you're racist. They must just hate honest hard working white people. A question, why do you conservatives change words to suit your bias so often? You know, like muscum, obongo, dimocrats, libtards, etc.. Do you really think there's a place for that in civilized discourse?
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: hailtothethief on January 24, 2013, 11:20:34 AM
Btw, no business should be obligation gated to sell halal food, the problem here is that they did it voluntarily and didn't provide what they promised.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Turks on January 24, 2013, 11:28:51 AM
Mickey D should have stuck to what they do best...burgers and they would never have found themselves in this situation.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Solar on January 24, 2013, 01:37:05 PM
Quote from: hailtothethief on January 24, 2013, 10:44:42 AM
Ahh yes, muscum. And you're shocked, SHOCKED when people say you're racist. They must just hate honest hard working white people. A question, why do you conservatives change words to suit your bias so often? You know, like muscum, obongo, dimocrats, libtards, etc.. Do you really think there's a place for that in civilized discourse?
Hey Dumb Ass, religion is not a racial issue.
Now go back to school, if I see anymore of your ignorance on display, you're out of here, and I'm dead serious!
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 09:28:12 AM
How was my post ignorant? I was just pointing out that calling a group of people scum based on their religion is probably not helping your cause. And I've done enough school solar, but thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: JustKari on January 29, 2013, 10:14:41 AM
Quote from: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 09:28:12 AM
How was my post ignorant? I was just pointing out that calling a group of people scum based on their religion is probably not helping your cause. And I've done enough school solar, but thanks for the tip.

You know, I am guilty of occasionally using names for groups.  I admit it probably is one of the few things I do like the liberals do, however, being the "I'm so sorry" party gwen't been working for us.  So, I still won't use name calling with the efficiency of a liberal, I will not apologize for the occasional "demonrat" that escapes my lips.  I am but human.

Now, I ask you, in the spirit of your name calling anger, did you go to the lib. sites and, as a brand new poster jump on your high horse and let them know how you feel about:
Repugnicans
Teabaggers
Right wing terrorists
Fundies
Homophobics
Racists
Womanizers
Haters

and on, and on, ad nausium.  Liberal name calling trolls are a plauge, so, what say you?
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 10:28:06 AM
It's no better when they do it. It polarizes us and rather than debate issues rationally we end up focusing on the perceived negative aspects of our opponents. Although I am somewhat left leaning, I am all for fiscal responsibility, however merely saying that in a liberal crowd gets me labelled as a conservative.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 10:51:40 AM
And I appreciate the respectful response Kari, solar not so much
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Solar on January 29, 2013, 11:01:13 AM
Quote from: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 09:28:12 AM
How was my post ignorant? I was just pointing out that calling a group of people scum based on their religion is probably not helping your cause. And I've done enough school solar, but thanks for the tip.
Are you so stupid that you can't see the ignorance in equating Religion with Race?

QuoteAhh yes, muscum. And you're shocked, SHOCKED when people say you're racist.
Now quit wasting my time, I know you came back under an alias just to search for what you consider racist remarks.
What you neglect to understand is, it's not the right that are the racists.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 11:04:55 AM
Alias? What was I before? I don't remember ever being a member on this site before.. And obviously a religion isn't a race. I understand that. I guess I should have said prejudiced. I really don't understand why you are so upset. Maybe I hit a nerve?
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 11:10:51 AM
And it wasn't my intention to allege that the right is racist, it's inflammatory language of some that leads to the other side painting you all as such in order to discredit what I see as valid points. I agree with certain aspects of conservatism, but your point gets muddled by childish name calling and intolerance, even if those voicing these views are in the minority.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Solar on January 29, 2013, 11:17:20 AM
Quote from: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 11:04:55 AM
Alias? What was I before? I don't remember ever being a member on this site before.. And obviously a religion isn't a race. I understand that. I guess I should have said prejudiced. I really don't understand why you are so upset. Maybe I hit a nerve?
OK, I'll go with what you claim. There was a poster with the same MO, he would look for, and if he didn't find racism, he tried to create the appearance of such.
Let me explain Muscum, it is masquerading as a Religion/cult, political as an end to a means to keep it's followers in line..
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Turks on January 29, 2013, 11:19:32 AM
Quote from: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 11:10:51 AM
And it wasn't my intention to allege that the right is racist, it's inflammatory language of some that leads to the other side painting you all as such in order to discredit what I see as valid points. I agree with certain aspects of conservatism, but your point gets muddled by childish name calling and intolerance, even if those voicing these views are in the minority.


Solar doesn't need me to speak for him and I'm sure he'll be along to answer you directly but when you preface your comments by saying both sides are guilty and then aim your comments at the right, on a conservative board...it makes you come across as nothing more than an instigator looking to push people's buttons and overshadows any legitimate point you might make.

Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 11:34:37 AM
So my point that we should have genuine debate is discredited because I'm not partisan enough?
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Turks on January 29, 2013, 11:39:56 AM
Quote from: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 11:34:37 AM
So my point that we should have genuine debate is discredited because I'm not partisan enough?

I don't know how you derived that from what I said but take it up with Solar.  No one, at least not me is discrediting you but your posts have a certain  "edge" about them.   Call it a lack of sincerity in wanting to discuss/debate.  More like subtle attacks seems to be the way they come across. 

But I don't run the show here, so post away.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 11:44:39 AM
I'm sorry if I come across as a shit disturber, I just don't want people thinking I'm some through and through liberal. I agree with aspects of both ideologies and it bums me out when we obscure meaningful discussion about real issues because we're too busy bickering about whose side is better. I don't believe either side has all the answers and if we want productive progress to happen I believe working together is more effective than the brand of spiteful and divisive politics we have now.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Solar on January 29, 2013, 11:45:23 AM
Quote from: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 11:34:37 AM
So my point that we should have genuine debate is discredited because I'm not partisan enough?
Your 2nd post on the poli forum was to create a racist straw man, or an image that racism was somehow prevalent on the right.
And you wonder why people take offense?
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Turks on January 29, 2013, 11:49:28 AM
Quote from: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 11:44:39 AM
I'm sorry if I come across as a shit disturber, I just don't want people thinking I'm some through and through liberal. I agree with aspects of both ideologies and it bums me out when we obscure meaningful discussion about real issues because we're too busy bickering about whose side is better. I don't believe either side has all the answers and if we want productive progress to happen I believe working together is more effective than the brand of spiteful and divisive politics we have now.

Just be yourself and post but keep in mind you're on a Conservative forum and hence when you "go liberal" (and that's fine if that's how you really feel) it's likley to be met unenthusiastically.


I've only been herer a short time but I appreciate that they only want facts here...and ones that can be backed up.   Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 11:52:37 AM
Yeah my first post on this thread was a bit antagonistic I agree. Sorry for that. I was trying to point out that it's words like muscum that lead to some people seeing the right in an intolerant or prejudiced light.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Turks on January 29, 2013, 11:53:57 AM
Quote from: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 11:52:37 AM
Yeah my first post on this thread was a bit antagonistic I agree. Sorry for that. I was trying to point out that it's words like muscum that lead to some people seeing the right in an intolerant or prejudiced light.

No need to apologize to me.  I'm no one around here...barely above the "newbie" level.   :smile:
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Solar on January 29, 2013, 11:57:02 AM
Quote from: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 11:52:37 AM
Yeah my first post on this thread was a bit antagonistic I agree. Sorry for that. I was trying to point out that it's words like muscum that lead to some people seeing the right in an intolerant or prejudiced light.
Only the ignorant, not trying to be insulting, but anyone that's ever read the Koran knows it's a farce.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 12:03:12 PM
Solar you can say that about every single religion that exists. I'm an atheist so I personally think they are all farces. I do think that they all deserve respect as all religions have their psychotic fringe and are mostly made up of good people. Just like any group, including liberals, conservatives, atheists, Arabs, Americans and so on.
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: Solar on January 29, 2013, 12:05:48 PM
Quote from: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 12:03:12 PM
Solar you can say that about every single religion that exists. I'm an atheist so I personally think they are all farces. I do think that they all deserve respect as all religions have their psychotic fringe and are mostly made up of good people. Just like any group, including liberals, conservatives, atheists, Arabs, Americans and so on.
No other Religion considers women second class citizens.
I respect all Religions as well, but the Muslum belief system is a political way of life disguised as a Religion.
Big difference!
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 12:09:13 PM
In certain regions I agree, the treatment on women is appalling. But that's more of a social issue, or potentially political depending on if this discrimination is institutionalized. But look at northern Ghana, in tamale the population is a majority Muslim and having lived there for almost a year I have great respect for those who interpret the religion in a compassionate light, as many do. Unfortunately peaceful, friendly Muslims isn't good news compared to bad guys exploding..
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: JustKari on January 29, 2013, 12:11:33 PM
Quote from: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 12:03:12 PM
Solar you can say that about every single religion that exists. I'm an atheist so I personally think they are all farces. I do think that they all deserve respect as all religions have their psychotic fringe and are mostly made up of good people. Just like any group, including liberals, conservatives, atheists, Arabs, Americans and so on.

This is true, I worked with some very kind and generous Muslim women, I also met a few that I dare say no more about.  Every group has whackados.  Those who decide what constitutes a Christian from only watching the news probably thinks we are all buck-toothed hicks, or just plain evil.  Why?  The news won't talk to your normal, everyday, boring Christian (like me).
Title: Re: McDs sued for not serving halal food
Post by: hailtothethief on January 29, 2013, 12:20:45 PM
Yeah exactly Kari. Imagine if I assumed you were the Westboro baptist type just because you're a Christian? Or treated Christians badly because of them? It would be pretty irrational and it goes the same for muslims