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Title: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: ldub23 on July 28, 2017, 04:33:06 AM
After his vote last night there is no other path left except to head to single  payer for healthcare. Thanks you rotten piece of crap. But wait!!! maybe he will have an encore and sink tax cuts  so his dem friends can win easily  in 2018.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: supsalemgr on July 28, 2017, 05:22:14 AM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 28, 2017, 04:33:06 AM
After his vote last night there is no other path left except to head to single  payer for healthcare. Thanks you rotten piece of crap. But wait!!! maybe he will have an encore and sink tax cuts  so his dem friends can win easily  in 2018.

There is an alternative. Let Obamacare implode. Then maybe a stop gap would be let health insurance go back to the states and let the free market have a shot.

As to the "skinny" version going down, I am truly torn. One part of me says passing it could be a start as removing the mandates would expedite the implosion of Obamacare. OTOH, It would have left too many taxes left in place as expansion of Medicaid. Obama and his henchmen were were very clever in the way they structured Obamacare. They included narcotics too the point politicians would become hooked on the federal money.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: ldub23 on July 28, 2017, 06:51:44 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 28, 2017, 05:22:14 AM
There is an alternative. Let Obamacare implode. Then maybe a stop gap would be let health insurance go back to the states and let the free market have a shot.

As to the "skinny" version going down, I am truly torn. One part of me says passing it could be a start as removing the mandates would expedite the implosion of Obamacare. OTOH, It would have left too many taxes left in place as expansion of Medicaid. Obama and his henchmen were were very clever in the way they structured Obamacare. They included narcotics too the point politicians would become hooked on the federal money.

Obamacare wont  implode. I agree with what they were saying on Fox business this  morning. Mod reps and dems will now dump money  into obamacare. It will never go away now except when it eventually gets replaced with single  payer. Sadly  i think McCain will live just  long enough to kill tax cuts as well.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: supsalemgr on July 28, 2017, 07:42:00 AM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 28, 2017, 06:51:44 AM
Obamacare wont  implode. I agree with what they were saying on Fox business this  morning. Mod reps and dems will now dump money  into obamacare. It will never go away now except when it eventually gets replaced with single  payer. Sadly  i think McCain will live just  long enough to kill tax cuts as well.

You may well be correct knowing how mant spineless RINO's we have in congress.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Walter Josh on July 28, 2017, 11:47:30 AM
Political schmucks yap incessantly that 'we are the greatest'; pious cant too stupid for words.
Reality is that we are a tad past 200 years and given the jackasses we label leaders
another 200 years is problematic, at best.
This performance by the GOP signals that they are either eons beyond stupid
or have a subconscious death wish; or likely both.
Did any of the R Establishment support Trump from the earliest moments ???
Isn't this their revenge against someone they loathe passionately.
Suspect his agenda will now wither along w/the economy,
making his re-nomination problematic and/or his re-election impossible.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Billy's bayonet on July 28, 2017, 12:02:14 PM
The only hope now is for Trump to line item veto the next federal budget that funds Obamaocare....a good way to let it implode.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: supsalemgr on July 28, 2017, 12:07:19 PM
Quote from: Walter Josh on July 28, 2017, 11:47:30 AM
Political schmucks yap incessantly that 'we are the greatest'; pious cant too stupid for words.
Reality is that we are a tad past 200 years and given the jackasses we label leaders
another 200 years is problematic, at best.
This performance by the GOP signals that they are either eons beyond stupid
or have a subconscious death wish; or likely both.
Did any of the R Establishment support Trump from the earliest moments ???
Isn't this their revenge against someone they loathe passionately.
Suspect his agenda will now wither along w/the economy,
making his re-nomination problematic and/or his re-election impossible.

One positive from the Trump presidency is he is causing all the RINO's to come out of the closet and expose their true colors for all to see.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Possum on July 28, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 28, 2017, 12:02:14 PM
The only hope now is for Trump to line item veto the next federal budget that funds Obamaocare....a good way to let it implode.
Believe Clinton was the only pres to have that power. The sc took it away. If trump wants to play hard ball he will have to veto the whole budget, while drastic, it should open some eyes. Only the republicans can make the dims look good.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Walter Josh on July 28, 2017, 02:14:40 PM
In response to badgering from fellow Senators over Rome's policy toward Carthage;
Lucius Accius, a contemporary of Cicero, rose in the Roman Forum and uttered: 
"Let them (Carthage) hate; as long as they fear!"
If the Establishment feared Trump; this fandango would never have happened;
but they don't and so it will continue.
Words do not substitute for actions.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: ldub23 on July 28, 2017, 04:00:07 PM
Reps arent going to let obamacare fail now. They will prop it  up with hundreds of  billions  of  bucks and as soon as dems gain control of congress and president we are going to get single  payer. Right now  i cant think of a single reason to vote republican in 2018. Most likely we will see a  major spending  bill early  next year propping  up ACA.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: walkstall on July 28, 2017, 04:15:20 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 28, 2017, 04:00:07 PM
Reps arent going to let obamacare fail now. They will prop it  up with hundreds of  billions  of  bucks and as soon as dems gain control of congress and president we are going to get single  payer. Right now  i cant think of a single reason to vote republican in 2018. Most likely we will see a  major spending  bill early  next year propping  up ACA.


WHY don't you vote Conservative for a change.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Ms.Independence on July 28, 2017, 06:00:09 PM
Quote from: walkstall on July 28, 2017, 04:15:20 PM

WHY don't you vote Conservative for a change.   :thumbsup:

Exactly.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: quiller on July 28, 2017, 08:01:21 PM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 28, 2017, 12:02:14 PM
The only hope now is for Trump to line item veto the next federal budget that funds Obamaocare....a good way to let it implode.

Unfortunately, line item veto is not possible. This came up at the top of the search.

QuoteThe line item veto is a now-defunct law that granted the president absolute authority to reject specific provisions, or "lines," of a bill sent to his desk by the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate while allowing other parts of it to become law with his signature. The power of the line item veto would allow a president to kill parts of a bill without having to veto the entire piece of legislation.

Many governors have this power, and the president of the United States did, too, before the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the line-item veto unconstitutional.

Critics of the line item veto say it granted the president too much power and allowed the powers of the executive branch to bleed into the duties and obligations of the legislative branch of government. "This act gives the president the unilateral power to change the text of duly enacted statutes," U.S. Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens wrote in 1998. Specifically, the court found that the Line Item Veto Act of 1996 violated the Presentment Clause of the Constitution, which allows a president to either sign or veto a bill in its entirety. The Presentment Clause states, in part, that a bill "be presented to the president of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it."   

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-1996-line-item-veto-act-3368097

Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Cryptic Bert on July 29, 2017, 12:12:48 AM
I'm not surprised. It's a bit ironic that someone touted for decades as an American hero would consistently shit of his country. Apparently this is what a "maverick" does. How this will play out is unknown. What we do know is the GOP has once again screwed over it's constituents. They raised millions off of the pledge to repeal Obamacare and they gained the majority based on that pledge.

We have three possibilities. 1) the voters hold the entire party responsible. 2) the voters only hold those that voted no responsible. 3) they don't care because the democrats are that bad.

What will happen is panic in Washington. Next years premiums will be revealed in October. Once again the democrats will be on the defensive but this time so will the republicans. In fact the GOP is in  a no win situation. Once again premiums will increase as will deductibles. More exchanges will be on the verge of collapsing and more insurance companies will want to leave the markets. Democrats will want to stabilize it with a bailout. If the GOP doesn't support that they will be blamed for allowing people to lose their coverage. If they support a bailout they will be accused of lying to their constituents. Once again The GOP screwed over the country and once again was led by McCain.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: ldub23 on July 29, 2017, 05:30:04 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 29, 2017, 12:12:48 AM
I'm not surprised. It's a bit ironic that someone touted for decades as an American hero would consistently shit of his country. Apparently this is what a "maverick" does. How this will play out is unknown. What we do know is the GOP has once again screwed over it's constituents. They raised millions off of the pledge to repeal Obamacare and they gained the majority based on that pledge.

We have three possibilities. 1) the voters hold the entire party responsible. 2) the voters only hold those that voted no responsible. 3) they don't care because the democrats are that bad.

What will happen is panic in Washington. Next years premiums will be revealed in October. Once again the democrats will be on the defensive but this time so will the republicans. In fact the GOP is in  a no win situation. Once again premiums will increase as will deductibles. More exchanges will be on the verge of collapsing and more insurance companies will want to leave the markets. Democrats will want to stabilize it with a bailout. If the GOP doesn't support that they will be blamed for allowing people to lose their coverage. If they support a bailout they will be accused of lying to their constituents. Once again The GOP screwed over the country and once again was led by McCain.

McCains hatred of Trump is why he stabbed  us  in the back.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Solar on July 29, 2017, 06:54:56 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 29, 2017, 12:12:48 AM
I'm not surprised. It's a bit ironic that someone touted for decades as an American hero would consistently shit of his country. Apparently this is what a "maverick" does. How this will play out is unknown. What we do know is the GOP has once again screwed over it's constituents. They raised millions off of the pledge to repeal Obamacare and they gained the majority based on that pledge.

We have three possibilities. 1) the voters hold the entire party responsible. 2) the voters only hold those that voted no responsible. 3) they don't care because the democrats are that bad.

What will happen is panic in Washington. Next years premiums will be revealed in October. Once again the democrats will be on the defensive but this time so will the republicans. In fact the GOP is in  a no win situation. Once again premiums will increase as will deductibles. More exchanges will be on the verge of collapsing and more insurance companies will want to leave the markets. Democrats will want to stabilize it with a bailout. If the GOP doesn't support that they will be blamed for allowing people to lose their coverage. If they support a bailout they will be accused of lying to their constituents. Once again The GOP screwed over the country and once again was led by McCain.
Nothing will change, in that since 2010 TEA/the  GOP base will continue to kill off the leftist movement in both party's.
Look how close the vote was, it took McStains vote for this to happen, and he won't be around much longer, regardless of the vote.

What matters most is that the GOP continues to piss off the people so much so, that our offensive continues till we steal the party from these leftists.

So no, nothing has changed, we knew this was their goal, they know we want them dead, it's just a matter of who outlives whom, and I believe we have time on our side, the Dims thought they had the nation in their hands, and look what happened to their party.

Take a deep breath folks, we're still winning the war.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Solar on July 29, 2017, 06:56:29 AM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 28, 2017, 04:33:06 AM
After his vote last night there is no other path left except to head to single  payer for healthcare. Thanks you rotten piece of crap. But wait!!! maybe he will have an encore and sink tax cuts  so his dem friends can win easily  in 2018.
Take a Midol, change your Tampon and take a nap, let the Conservatives deal with the issue.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: ldub23 on July 29, 2017, 03:37:22 PM
Quote from: Solar on July 29, 2017, 06:56:29 AM
Take a Midol, change your Tampon and take a nap, let the Conservatives deal with the issue.

Still waiting for a conservative piece of legislation to get to Trump's desk. And if  im not mistaken Ryan is speaker because the freedom caucus caved and voted for him.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Solar on July 29, 2017, 04:06:10 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 29, 2017, 03:37:22 PM
Still waiting for a conservative piece of legislation to get to Trump's desk. And if I'm not mistaken Ryan is speaker because the freedom caucus caved and voted for him.
Matters not, after 2018 midterms, the leftist RNC/gop'E will be out of power and they won't have the votes to interfere.

Did you not notice how the gop'E couldn't pull this off without Marxist McStains one single vote?
More than likely we'll replace at a minimum, 6 leftist RNC/gop'E members come 2018, giving us a majority in the Senate, and that's assuming the Con is still Speaker, whom I doubt will still have a seat.

I don't know how it is, that you have this strange ability to ignore the beating TEA has been giving leftists in both party's since 2010 unabated, seizing more than 1000 Legislative seats from the Dims. while replacing leftists in the Pub party in the interim.

You do know this actually happened, right? Point being, nothing has changed since 2010 and will continue on long after 2018.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: ldub23 on July 30, 2017, 04:00:39 AM
Quote from: Solar on July 29, 2017, 04:06:10 PM
Matters not, after 2018 midterms, the leftist RNC/gop'E will be out of power and they won't have the votes to interfere.

Did you not notice how the gop'E couldn't pull this off without Marxist McStains one single vote?
More than likely we'll replace at a minimum, 6 leftist RNC/gop'E members come 2018, giving us a majority in the Senate, and that's assuming the Con is still Speaker, whom I doubt will still have a seat.

I don't know how it is, that you have this strange ability to ignore the beating TEA has been giving leftists in both party's since 2010 unabated, seizing more than 1000 Legislative seats from the Dims. while replacing leftists in the Pub party in the interim.

You do know this actually happened, right? Point being, nothing has changed since 2010 and will continue on long after 2018.

I know it happened and  i also know in 2006 and  2008 reps were crushed then came back in 2010. 2018 is going to be a dem sweep unless reps cut taxes.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Solar on July 30, 2017, 06:40:35 AM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 30, 2017, 04:00:39 AM
I know it happened and  i also know in 2006 and  2008 reps were crushed then came back in 2010. 2018 is going to be a dem sweep unless reps cut taxes.
TEA didn't come to fruition till 2010, so using any data prior to that plays absolutely no part in future forecasts.
Seriously, you're way out of your league here.

I have given you solid evidence of the TEA wave since 2010 in killing off the Dim party and enforcing the Conservative movement in the GOP, even the last few special elections where the Dim party spent (The Hill reports, The House Democrats' campaign arm is pouring another $2 million into Georgia's House special election, bringing its total spending to nearly $5 million four weeks before the election.) they didn't have, lost miserably in the Ossoff special election, In the special elections for House seats vacated by Republicans who wound up in President Donald Trump's Cabinet, Democrats went 0-for-4. And this losing record continues unabated. Yet for some magical reason, you think things are going to change?

This special election was a do or die for Dims, they claimed it would be a win and referendum against Trump, they bet the farm on Ossoff and were certain they had it in the bag. They lost miserably despite having spent more than the party could afford.

Jon Ossoff
$23.6 million Dem. 23.6 million

Karen Handel Rep $4.5


Do the math yourself, a total of 468 seats in the U.S. Congress (33 Senate seats and all 435 House seats) are up for election on November 6, 2018.
Heading into the election, the Republican Party holds a 52 seat majority in the Senate. Democrats hold 46 seats, and the remaining two are held by independents who caucus with the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is on the defensive in 2018, as they are left defending 25 seats (two of which are held by independents), while only eight seats up for election in 2018 are held by Republican incumbents. The Democratic Party is further weakened by having to defend seats in a number of states which supported Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton in 2016.

So how in the Hell are the Dims possibly going to take over?
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: taxed on July 30, 2017, 11:54:48 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 29, 2017, 03:37:22 PM
Still waiting for a conservative piece of legislation to get to Trump's desk. And if  im not mistaken Ryan is speaker because the freedom caucus caved and voted for him.

Proof?
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Solar on July 31, 2017, 05:27:08 AM
Quote from: taxed on July 30, 2017, 11:54:48 PM
Proof?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You're funny. You know all the facts ever posts are based on his "Feelings."
His response will be, "But the Dims will take back the Senate", yet, not once has he provided a shred of evidence how the failed Marxist Dim ideology, that Americans rejected soundly, is going to make a miracle come back in a capitalist society.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Ms.Independence on July 31, 2017, 05:36:05 AM
Quote from: Solar on July 30, 2017, 06:40:35 AM
TEA didn't come to fruition till 2010, so using any data prior to that plays absolutely no part in future forecasts.
Seriously, you're way out of your league here.

I have given you solid evidence of the TEA wave since 2010 in killing off the Dim party and enforcing the Conservative movement in the GOP, even the last few special elections where the Dim party spent (The Hill reports, The House Democrats' campaign arm is pouring another $2 million into Georgia's House special election, bringing its total spending to nearly $5 million four weeks before the election.) they didn't have, lost miserably in the Ossoff special election, In the special elections for House seats vacated by Republicans who wound up in President Donald Trump's Cabinet, Democrats went 0-for-4. And this losing record continues unabated. Yet for some magical reason, you think things are going to change?

This special election was a do or die for Dims, they claimed it would be a win and referendum against Trump, they bet the farm on Ossoff and were certain they had it in the bag. They lost miserably despite having spent more than the party could afford.

Jon Ossoff
$23.6 million Dem. 23.6 million

Karen Handel Rep $4.5


Do the math yourself, a total of 468 seats in the U.S. Congress (33 Senate seats and all 435 House seats) are up for election on November 6, 2018.
Heading into the election, the Republican Party holds a 52 seat majority in the Senate. Democrats hold 46 seats, and the remaining two are held by independents who caucus with the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is on the defensive in 2018, as they are left defending 25 seats (two of which are held by independents), while only eight seats up for election in 2018 are held by Republican incumbents. The Democratic Party is further weakened by having to defend seats in a number of states which supported Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton in 2016.

So how in the Hell are the Dims possibly going to take over?

IMHO, all eyes should be on Texas.  As Texas goes, so goes the 2018 election.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/04/18/2018-texas-congressional-races-begin-take-shape/
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Solar on July 31, 2017, 06:16:38 AM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 31, 2017, 05:36:05 AM
IMHO, all eyes should be on Texas.  As Texas goes, so goes the 2018 election.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/04/18/2018-texas-congressional-races-begin-take-shape/
Meh, writer Jim Malewitz, writes for the rag ,texasleftist.com and is a big global warming nut, so it's no surprise to find him writing a fairy tale piece on leftists making a come back.
I'm a bit surprised the Texastrib even posts his crap.

www.governing.com/topics/transportation-infrastructure/tt-climatologists-texas-floods.html
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: ldub23 on July 31, 2017, 06:34:28 AM
Quote from: taxed on July 30, 2017, 11:54:48 PM
Proof?

Its pretty  much commonly  known  but here it goes anyway:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/21/house-freedom-caucus-to-support-paul-ryan-for-speaker.html

Paul Ryan lays out terms for speaker run

"Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan gained support from a key group Wednesday night for House speaker when a supermajority of the House Freedom Caucus announced it was backing him.
In a statement, the group said Ryan "has promised to be an ideas-focused Speaker who will advance limited government principles and devolve power to the membership."

And i know it will be hard for dems to gain the senate this time but  its  quite doable, and  in any case they basically run the senate  now.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Solar on July 31, 2017, 08:04:20 AM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 31, 2017, 06:34:28 AM
Its pretty  much commonly  known  but here it goes anyway:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/21/house-freedom-caucus-to-support-paul-ryan-for-speaker.html

Paul Ryan lays out terms for speaker run

"Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan gained support from a key group Wednesday night for House speaker when a supermajority of the House Freedom Caucus announced it was backing him.
In a statement, the group said Ryan "has promised to be an ideas-focused Speaker who will advance limited government principles and devolve power to the membership."

And i know it will be hard for dems to gain the senate this time but  its  quite doable, and  in any case they basically run the senate  now.
I see you conveniently ignored my post. What is it, an allergic reaction to facts that blow your emotional posts out of the water?

Addressing your post here. You forget the conservative caucus didn't have a candidate running against Ryan at the time that could win, aside from Ryan, no one else wanted the job.
The Conservative Caucus wanted to show a united party in the face of up coming elections, so instead of presenting a divided party, they chose to unite and elected Ryan.
As if they had another option.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: ldub23 on July 31, 2017, 02:54:34 PM
Quote from: Solar on July 31, 2017, 08:04:20 AM
I see you conveniently ignored my post. What is it, an allergic reaction to facts that blow your emotional posts out of the water?

Addressing your post here. You forget the conservative caucus didn't have a candidate running against Ryan at the time that could win, aside from Ryan, no one else wanted the job.
The Conservative Caucus wanted to show a united party in the face of up coming elections, so instead of presenting a divided party, they chose to unite and elected Ryan.
As if they had another option.

Point is  i was right that the freedom caucus backed Ryan and  if they hadnt Ryan wouldnt be speaker. If  i were  in AZ right  now  i would someone primaries Jeff Flake.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: taxed on July 31, 2017, 03:00:08 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 31, 2017, 06:34:28 AM
Its pretty  much commonly  known  but here it goes anyway:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/21/house-freedom-caucus-to-support-paul-ryan-for-speaker.html

Paul Ryan lays out terms for speaker run

"Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan gained support from a key group Wednesday night for House speaker when a supermajority of the House Freedom Caucus announced it was backing him.
In a statement, the group said Ryan "has promised to be an ideas-focused Speaker who will advance limited government principles and devolve power to the membership."

And i know it will be hard for dems to gain the senate this time but  its  quite doable, and  in any case they basically run the senate  now.

No, hon.  That's not proof.  Show me the roll call of the members.

Also, per your link:

QuoteIn a statement, the group said Ryan "has promised to be an ideas-focused Speaker who will advance limited government principles and devolve power to the membership."

While the group held off an official endorsement of Ryan, the announcement of support could get him to officially enter the race for House speaker, and lock down the votes to win in elections next week.

Who voted for him as speaker?  Again, please post the roll call.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: ldub23 on July 31, 2017, 03:06:49 PM
Yall make this too easy. Only 9 members voted against  him on the house floor.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/paul-ryan-house-speaker-vote/index.html

Dont know how big the freedom caucus  is but  i am reasonably certain the large majority ended  up voting yes.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: taxed on July 31, 2017, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 31, 2017, 03:06:49 PM
Yall make this too easy. Only 9 members voted against  him on the house floor.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/paul-ryan-house-speaker-vote/index.html

Dont know how big the freedom caucus  is but  i am reasonably certain the large majority ended  up voting yes.

Excellent.  Then you should have no problem posting the roll call.  I want to see who voted for him.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: ldub23 on July 31, 2017, 03:09:38 PM
Now this link claims there is at least 36 members and  it appears almost all the founding members voted for  Ryan.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: taxed on July 31, 2017, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 31, 2017, 03:09:38 PM
Now this link claims there is at least 36 members and  it appears almost all the founding members voted for  Ryan.

Roll call please....
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: ldub23 on July 31, 2017, 03:13:07 PM
https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-the-freedom-caucus-3368156
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: taxed on July 31, 2017, 03:14:43 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 31, 2017, 03:13:07 PM
https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-the-freedom-caucus-3368156

Still waiting on that roll call....
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: ldub23 on July 31, 2017, 03:15:00 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/258542-the-republicans-who-didnt-vote-for-ryan

Thats the  9 that didnt while the  other  236 did.
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Solar on July 31, 2017, 03:15:34 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 31, 2017, 02:54:34 PM
Point is  i was right that the freedom caucus backed Ryan and  if they hadnt Ryan wouldnt be speaker. If  i were  in AZ right  now  i would someone primaries Jeff Flake.
Doing the Two Step with two Leftist feet exposes your inability to address my points about a Dim come back, which everyone seems to know is an impossibility but you.
Now let us try this again without your emotional pleas, show me using numbers, how the Dim party has even the tiniest chance of returning to power
Keep in mind, I've been saying for years that the Dim party was technically dead and headed for certain demise, and now it's happened, and you claim they're on the verge of taking back the House?
Prove It!

Oh, and you do know how to use an apostrophe ( ' ) and Capitalize letters, right? '
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: taxed on July 31, 2017, 03:15:48 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 31, 2017, 03:15:00 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/258542-the-republicans-who-didnt-vote-for-ryan

Thats the  9 that didnt while the  other  236 did.

Great.  Let's see the roll call...
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Ms.Independence on July 31, 2017, 03:53:08 PM
Quote from: Solar on July 31, 2017, 03:15:34 PM
Doing the Two Step with two Leftist feet exposes your inability to address my points about a Dim come back, which everyone seems to know is an impossibility but you.
Now let us try this again without your emotional pleas, show me using numbers, how the Dim party has even the tiniest chance of returning to power
Keep in mind, I've been saying for years that the Dim party was technically dead and headed for certain demise, and now it's happened, and you claim they're on the verge of taking back the House?
Prove It!

Oh, and you do know how to use an apostrophe ( ' ) and Capitalize letters, right? '

Obviously he's still working on sentence structure.   :thumbsup:

   
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Ms.Independence on July 31, 2017, 03:59:05 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 31, 2017, 02:54:34 PM
Point is  i was right that the freedom caucus backed Ryan and  if they hadnt Ryan wouldnt be speaker. If  i were  in AZ right  now  i would someone primaries Jeff Flake.

????? The info that I have indicates that there was only 1 GOP member that didn't vote for Ryan's re-election as Speaker of the House.  So ... how is it that you come up with had the Freedom Caucus not backed Ryan he would not be Speaker??

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/03/politics/paul-ryan-congress-speaker-vote-2017-nancy-pelosi/index.html
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Hoofer on July 31, 2017, 05:06:46 PM
Quote from: taxed on July 31, 2017, 03:14:43 PM
Still waiting on that roll call....

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Must be feeling trapped like a democRAT .....  but, but, but....!   (Dang, what a way to ruin a good smear, bring out the facts, nuts!)
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: taxed on July 31, 2017, 05:31:21 PM
Quote from: Hoofer on July 31, 2017, 05:06:46 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Must be feeling trapped like a democRAT .....  but, but, but....!   (Dang, what a way to ruin a good smear, bring out the facts, nuts!)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He's on page 876 of Google results trying to find it......
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Hoofer on July 31, 2017, 06:13:05 PM
Quote from: taxed on July 31, 2017, 05:31:21 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He's on page 876 of Google results trying to find it......

With this slow internet, it'd take days to reach 500!

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Chew on this for a sec.   What happens to McCain if Trump pulls his healthcare?
http://dailysignal.com/2017/07/31/how-trump-could-force-congress-and-its-staff-to-live-under-obamacare/
QuoteOver the weekend, Trump tweeted that he could take away the exemption, granted by the Obama administration's Office of Personnel Management, to prod Congress toward agreement on getting rid of Obamacare.

The provision provides what critics say is tantamount to an unconstitutional waiver for members of Congress and their staff from rules mandated by the Affordable Care Act, popularly known as Obamacare.

Doctor to McCain, "...Er, John...?   Donald Trump just took away that exemption, which gave you Platinum Obamacare and subsidized your premiums.   You need to get this radiation treatment cleared by your Obamacare provider, after you get insurance... like the rest of us Americans... sorry!"
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: Solar on July 31, 2017, 06:18:12 PM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 31, 2017, 03:59:05 PM
????? The info that I have indicates that there was only 1 GOP member that didn't vote for Ryan's re-election as Speaker of the House.  So ... how is it that you come up with had the Freedom Caucus not backed Ryan he would not be Speaker??

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/03/politics/paul-ryan-congress-speaker-vote-2017-nancy-pelosi/index.html
I'm a bit of a stickler for this stuff because, we have a huge audience of readers, a following that not only depends on our ability to come to factual conclusions, dissect policy, or cut through the general BS, but having the ability to communicate intelligently and structure a sentence, punctuation, spelling, Hell, basic grammar plays a huge part in that credibility.

Am I asking too much for people to use a grammar check prog? :biggrin:
Title: Re: McCains final act before death. Single payer
Post by: taxed on July 31, 2017, 08:20:00 PM
Quote from: Hoofer on July 31, 2017, 06:13:05 PM
With this slow internet, it'd take days to reach 500!

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Chew on this for a sec.   What happens to McCain if Trump pulls his healthcare?
http://dailysignal.com/2017/07/31/how-trump-could-force-congress-and-its-staff-to-live-under-obamacare/
Doctor to McCain, "...Er, John...?   Donald Trump just took away that exemption, which gave you Platinum Obamacare and subsidized your premiums.   You need to get this radiation treatment cleared by your Obamacare provider, after you get insurance... like the rest of us Americans... sorry!"

It's one of my rules of thumb for Marxists -- no Marxist ever wants to live under their own policies.