Marxist Wiretap Thread

[Billy's bayonet]

Something tells me they've already talked to Levin.

Somebody in the FBI or Justice Dept called Levin...there may be documents handed over which if true he is wise to keep secret for now.

[Solar]

Somebody in the FBI or Justice Dept called Levin...there may be documents handed over which if true he is wise to keep secret for now.

It's even possible Trump sought Levin's counsel on the matter, and if so, told Levin feel free to comment on "these issues only".
I do believe this is bigger than anyone realizes with the exception of a few, including Trump.
The Marxist got caught and Trump will make him pay dearly for it.

[Solar]

This article really brought me up to speed:

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/

I didn't see this till after I PM' you with the link.

[Thinker]

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/

This year just gets better and better every day...thank you President Trump.

[Hoofer]

It's even possible Trump sought Levin's counsel on the matter, and if so, told Levin feel free to comment on "these issues only".
I do believe this is bigger than anyone realizes with the exception of a few, including Trump.
The Marxist got caught and Trump will make him pay dearly for it.

 

As I listened to that broadcast LIVE and then a second time - Levin was laying out a road-map, connecting the dots for us... and sounded like he was reminding the FBI or whoever, they MUST investigate thoroughly.

This could involve tens or hundreds of people - all ready to point the finger of blame back to someone in the Obama cabinet.   
Would you be surprised if James Comey doesn't bubble back up?

[Solar]

As I listened to that broadcast LIVE and then a second time - Levin was laying out a road-map, connecting the dots for us... and sounded like he was reminding the FBI or whoever, they MUST investigate thoroughly.

This could involve tens or hundreds of people - all ready to point the finger of blame back to someone in the Obama cabinet.   
Would you be surprised if James Comey doesn't bubble back up?

Yeah, it's clear Levin has inside information. And I agree, there are way too many people involved, or at the least, know and saw it happening as Hussein went court judge/court shopping.

[admin]

Moved for Ms Independence.

[Ms.Independence]

How much you want to bet, absolutely NOTHING will happen to anyone connected to the Bammy administration.

Right now the FBI is asking the DOJ to reject the claim(s).  Which leads us back to Sessions ... did he not recuse himself from investigations into the Trump campaign?  So ... I think perhaps Sessions knew what's been going on.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/05/trump-wiretap-charge-flummoxes-law-enforcement-officials-as-fbi-head-reportedly-asks-doj-to-reject-claim.html

[Ms.Independence]

This article is rather lengthy ... (tried to condense as much as possible)


Tapping Trump?

..."Though Trump asserted he had “just found out” about this surveillance, he appears to be referencing a series of reports that began with a piece by Louise Mensch in Heat Street back in November, which was later corroborated by articles published by The Guardian and the BBC in January.  The reports may have come to Trump’s attention by way of a Breitbart story that ran on Friday, summarizing claims of a “Deep State” effort to undermine the Trump administration advanced by conservative talk radio host Mark Levin.

If it were true that President Obama had ordered the intelligence community to “tapp” Trump’s phones for political reasons, that would of course be a serious scandal—and crime—of Nixonian proportions. Yet there’s nothing in the published reports—vague though they are—to support such a dramatic allegation.  Let’s try to sort out what we do know.

First, as one would hope Trump is aware, presidents are not supposed to personally order electronic surveillance of particular domestic targets, and the Obama camp has, unsurprisingly, issued a statement denying they did anything of the sort:

    Neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false.

Rather, the allegation made by various news sources is that, in connection with a multi-agency intelligence investigation of Russian interference with the presidential election, the FBI sought an order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court authorizing them to monitor transactions between two Russian banks and four persons connected with the Trump campaign.  The Guardian‘s report alleges that initial applications submitted over the summer, naming “four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials,” were rejected by the FISC. But according to the BBC, a narrower order naming only the Russian banks as direct targets was ultimately approved by the FISC in October.  While the BBC report suggests that the surveillance was meant to ferret out “transfers of money,” the Mensch article asserts that a “warrant was granted to look at the full content of emails and other related documents that may concern US persons.”...

...None of this is really supported by the public record. First, the attribution of whatever monitoring occurred to the “Obama administration” insinuates a degree of involvement by the White House or its political appointees for which there is no evidence.   “Eavesdrop” implies surveillance of telephone conversations, which do not appear to have been the focus of the FISC order. (As is now well known, the intelligence community did intercept telephone conversations between former National Security Adviser Mike Flynn and the Russian ambassador—but as a result of routine collection on an acknowledged foreign agent, not surveillance targeting Flynn himself.)  Neither is there any evidence that authorization was sought to collect on “the Trump campaign” per se; rather, the BBC’s report claims that the application ultimately rejected by the FISC focused on “four members of the Trump team.”  Mensch’s original report asserts that Trump was “named” in the initial application, but is vague as to whether that means he was a named target of electronic surveillance. ...

https://www.justsecurity.org/38347/tapping-trump

[taxed]

I don't buy that President Trump came up with this because he flipped through a Breitbart story he read on his phone while taking a number 2.  I'm giving him a little more credit that he understands the implications of throwing this out there and has the enough data stored up.

[Ms.Independence]

I don't buy that President Trump came up with this because he flipped through a Breitbart story he read on his phone while taking a number 2.  I'm giving him a little more credit that he understands the implications of throwing this out there and has the enough data stored up.

I'm giving President Trump credit as well; the huge problem I see right now lies with Sessions. Sessions didn't simply recuse himself with investigating the campaign's involvement with Russia but with the campaign in general.  So the left was successful in excluding Sessions .. which then temporarily leaves Boente and a vote is supposed to be held tomorrow on Trump's pick of Deputy Attorney general  Rod Rosenstein to replace Boente.  Rosenstein is the U.S. attorney for Maryland and has been under both Bush AND Bammy!!  That is why Trump was so enraged over Session's recusal.  I believe Sessions knew ahead of time what was going on and I'm not so sure at this point what team Sessions is on.

Absolutely nothing will become of this and Trump will come out looking like a total buffoon.

[Solar]

I'm giving President Trump credit as well; the huge problem I see right now lies with Sessions. Sessions didn't simply recuse himself with investigating the campaign's involvement with Russia but with the campaign in general.  So the left was successful in excluding Sessions .. which then temporarily leaves Boente and a vote is supposed to be held tomorrow on Trump's pick of Deputy Attorney general  Rod Rosenstein to replace Boente.  Rosenstein is the U.S. attorney for Maryland and has been under both Bush AND Bammy!!  That is why Trump was so enraged over Session's recusal.  I believe Sessions knew ahead of time what was going on and I'm not so sure at this point what team Sessions is on.

Absolutely nothing will become of this and Trump will come out looking like a total buffoon.

I think you're reading waaaaay too much into this.
His recusal means nothing, stop listening to leftists pundits impressing their hopes and dreams into their airtime.
All the talkingheads in the country will never put Humpty Dumpty back together again, Trump has a piece of the Marxists shell as evidence.

[Ms.Independence]

I think you're reading waaaaay too much into this.
His recusal means nothing, stop listening to leftists pundits impressing their hopes and dreams into their airtime.
All the talkingheads in the country will never put Humpty Dumpty back together again, Trump has a piece of the Marxists shell as evidence.

Definitely not listening to the leftists pundits, just going by what I know. IMHO Sessions recusal means everything.  That is why Trump was so infuriated with his recusal. Sessions recused himself from investigation into the Trump campaign not just Russian meddling. The FBI has asked the temporary AG (Boente) to decide on a special prosecutor.  They are supposed to vote tomorrow on Trump's appointment of the Deputy AG who will then be responsible for the investigation; Rosenstein.  Rosenstein served under Bammy.

With Sessions out of the investigation and someone who worked under Bammy now in charge of the investigation who do you see things turning out?

[Solar]

Definitely not listening to the leftists pundits, just going by what I know. IMHO Sessions recusal means everything.  That is why Trump was so infuriated with his recusal. Sessions recused himself from investigation into the Trump campaign not just Russian meddling. The FBI has asked the temporary AG (Boente) to decide on a special prosecutor.  They are supposed to vote tomorrow on Trump's appointment of the Deputy AG who will then be responsible for the investigation; Rosenstein.  Rosenstein served under Bammy.

With Sessions out of the investigation and someone who worked under Bammy now in charge of the investigation who do you see things turning out?

So what? What part of "Broke the Law" do you not understand?

WikiLeaks released the following list on February 23rd (see link here) of Obama Administration wire taps:

* The US National Security Agency bugged a private climate change strategy meeting; between UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin;
* Obama bugged Chief of Staff of UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for long term interception targetting his Swiss phone;
* Obama singled out the Director of the Rules Division of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), Johann Human, and targetted his Swiss phone for long term interception;
* Obama stole sensitive Italian diplomatic cables detailing how Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to help patch up his relationship with US President Barack Obama, who was refusing to talk to Netanyahu;
* Obama intercepted top EU and Japanese trade ministers discussing their secret strategy and red lines to stop the US “extort[ing]” them at the WTO Doha arounds (the talks subsequently collapsed);
* Obama explicitly targeted five other top EU economic officials for long term interception, including their French, Austrian and Belgium phone numbers;
* Obama explicitly targetted the phones of Italy’s ambassador to NATO and other top Italian officials for long term interception; and
* Obama intercepted details of a critical private meeting between then French president Nicolas Sarkozy, Merkel and Berluscon, where the latter was told the Italian banking system was ready to “pop like a cork”.

In addition to the above list we also know now that Obama wire tapped various individuals in the US media that were reporting information not flattering to the Obama Administration.  It is widely known that Obama’s Justice Department targeted journalists with wiretaps in 2013:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/draft-heres-the-complete-list-of-victims-from-obamas-many-wiretaps/

[Ms.Independence]

So what? What part of "Broke the Law" do you not understand?

WikiLeaks released the following list on February 23rd (see link here) of Obama Administration wire taps:

* The US National Security Agency bugged a private climate change strategy meeting; between UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin;
* Obama bugged Chief of Staff of UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for long term interception targetting his Swiss phone;
* Obama singled out the Director of the Rules Division of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), Johann Human, and targetted his Swiss phone for long term interception;
* Obama stole sensitive Italian diplomatic cables detailing how Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to help patch up his relationship with US President Barack Obama, who was refusing to talk to Netanyahu;
* Obama intercepted top EU and Japanese trade ministers discussing their secret strategy and red lines to stop the US “extort[ing]” them at the WTO Doha arounds (the talks subsequently collapsed);
* Obama explicitly targeted five other top EU economic officials for long term interception, including their French, Austrian and Belgium phone numbers;
* Obama explicitly targetted the phones of Italy’s ambassador to NATO and other top Italian officials for long term interception; and
* Obama intercepted details of a critical private meeting between then French president Nicolas Sarkozy, Merkel and Berluscon, where the latter was told the Italian banking system was ready to “pop like a cork”.

In addition to the above list we also know now that Obama wire tapped various individuals in the US media that were reporting information not flattering to the Obama Administration.  It is widely known that Obama’s Justice Department targeted journalists with wiretaps in 2013:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/draft-heres-the-complete-list-of-victims-from-obamas-many-wiretaps/

I fully understand that the law was broken several times I get that.  However in order for prosecution to take place the situation will have to be investigated and a determination made to prosecute those involved.  The investigation is going to be done by the DOJ which the FBI has already asked them to deny the claim.  The acting current AG is going to be replaced tomorrow by the newly appointed Deputy AG who worked under Bammy.

If we look back at all the lawlessness that took place under the Bammy administration, both Holder and Lynch looked the other way. In fact in 2012 Holder appointed Rosenstein to investigate leaks of classified information that the White House was accused of and Bammy denied.

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/06/holder-names-2-prosecutors-to-probe-leaks-077228