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Title: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2017, 06:22:54 AM


http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017/03/04/isnt-funny-obamas-spokesman-not-deny-trump-wiretapped/Obama Speechwriter: Funny How Obama Hasn't Denied Trump Was Wiretapped

What both of these tweets do is deny something that no sane person is actually alleging, that is, that Obama, himself, ordered a wiretap. What most people mean when they say "Obama" did something, is that his administration carried out the action. (Seriously, when people say Bush invaded Iraq or Osama bin Laden destroyed the Twin Towers do they actually mean the men, themselves, did it. I understand not liking Trump but I don't understand beclowning oneself to further the hate.) What neither of the tweets deny is that a wiretap was ordered by the Obama administration and that it was carried out. This point is made by former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/733786686526619649/H2hfL9Dj_bigger.jpg)
I'd be careful about reporting that Obama said there was no wiretapping. Statement just said that neither he nor the WH ordered it.

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/838086840515112960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: walkstall on March 05, 2017, 06:36:18 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 05, 2017, 06:22:54 AM

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017/03/04/isnt-funny-obamas-spokesman-not-deny-trump-wiretapped/Obama Speechwriter: Funny How Obama Hasn't Denied Trump Was Wiretapped

What both of these tweets do is deny something that no sane person is actually alleging, that is, that Obama, himself, ordered a wiretap. What most people mean when they say "Obama" did something, is that his administration carried out the action. (Seriously, when people say Bush invaded Iraq or Osama bin Laden destroyed the Twin Towers do they actually mean the men, themselves, did it. I understand not liking Trump but I don't understand beclowning oneself to further the hate.) What neither of the tweets deny is that a wiretap was ordered by the Obama administration and that it was carried out. This point is made by former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/733786686526619649/H2hfL9Dj_bigger.jpg)
I'd be careful about reporting that Obama said there was no wiretapping. Statement just said that neither he nor the WH ordered it.

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/838086840515112960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


As if the new DOJ does not have his hands full with b o's last 8 years.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2017, 06:43:04 AM
Quote from: walkstall on March 05, 2017, 06:36:18 AM

As if the new DOJ does not have his hands full with b o's last 8 years.
Yeah, it looks more like finding evidence enough to tie this back to the Marxist himself, since it sounds like people will be coming forward with CYA calls, as in "every man for themselves.
With the entire Dim party collapsing, I don't expect to see anyone fall on the sword for this group of traitors. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: taxed on March 05, 2017, 07:49:50 AM
This article really brought me up to speed:

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: taxed on March 05, 2017, 07:51:17 AM
From Levin's Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10154136687485946

QuoteThe president should ask for the release of the two FISA warrant requests directed at his campaign and/or surrogates and the appropriate congressional intelligence committees should ask to see the presidential daily intelligence briefings Obama received from at least June 1, 2016 - January 20, 2017.The president should ask for the release of the two FISA warrant requests directed at his campaign and/or surrogates and the appropriate congressional intelligence committees should ask to see the presidential daily intelligence briefings Obama received from at least June 1, 2016 - January 20, 2017.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2017, 07:53:21 AM
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2017, 07:51:17 AM
From Levin's Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10154136687485946
Something tells me they've already talked to Levin. :thumbup:
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: supsalemgr on March 05, 2017, 09:23:57 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 05, 2017, 06:22:54 AM

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017/03/04/isnt-funny-obamas-spokesman-not-deny-trump-wiretapped/Obama Speechwriter: Funny How Obama Hasn't Denied Trump Was Wiretapped

What both of these tweets do is deny something that no sane person is actually alleging, that is, that Obama, himself, ordered a wiretap. What most people mean when they say "Obama" did something, is that his administration carried out the action. (Seriously, when people say Bush invaded Iraq or Osama bin Laden destroyed the Twin Towers do they actually mean the men, themselves, did it. I understand not liking Trump but I don't understand beclowning oneself to further the hate.) What neither of the tweets deny is that a wiretap was ordered by the Obama administration and that it was carried out. This point is made by former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/733786686526619649/H2hfL9Dj_bigger.jpg)
I'd be careful about reporting that Obama said there was no wiretapping. Statement just said that neither he nor the WH ordered it.

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/838086840515112960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

We should fully understand after eight years that Obama and his stooges are very good at parsing words. Do not ever believe they will shoot straight with anyone.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2017, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 05, 2017, 09:23:57 AM

We should fully understand after eight years that Obama and his stooges are very good at parsing words. Do not ever believe they will shoot straight with anyone.
Unless they're the target. :laugh:
The Dim party has to be shitting their collective pants right now. Tomorrow will be telling of the ones speaking out, they are the ones with information and will be willing to sellout for protection.
I don't see one Dim falling on the sword for the Marxist, so I expect to see people coming forward like opening a floodgate, all clamoring for a place at the front of the line for immunity.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2017, 09:55:39 AM
Here's how it may have played out.

The stories currently are three-fold: first, that Obama's team tried to get a warrant from a regular, Article III federal court on Trump, and was told no by someone along the way (maybe the FBI), as the evidence was that weak or non-existent; second, Obama's team then tried to circumvent the federal judiciary's independent role by trying to mislabel the issue one of "foreign agents," and tried to obtain a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act "courts", and were again turned down, when the court saw Trump named (an extremely rare act of FISA court refusal of the government, suggesting the evidence was truly non-existent against Trump); and so, third, Obama circumvented both the regular command of the FBI and the regularly appointed federal courts, by placing the entire case as a FISA case (and apparently under Sally Yates at DOJ) as a "foreign" case, and then omitted Trump's name from a surveillance warrant submitted to the FISA court, which the FISA court unwittingly granted, which Obama then misused to spy on Trump and many connected to Trump. Are these allegations true? We don't know yet, but if any part of them are than Obama and/or his officials could face serious trouble.

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: walkstall on March 05, 2017, 10:48:09 AM
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2017, 07:49:50 AM
This article really brought me up to speed:

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/

Should put this in the Library?
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2017, 10:58:28 AM
Quote from: walkstall on March 05, 2017, 10:48:09 AM
Should put this in the Library?
LOL! I didn't even realize they were the same article. :lol:
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Bronx on March 05, 2017, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2017, 07:49:50 AM
This article really brought me up to speed:

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/

Very, very interesting read. Everyone should read this article...!
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: supsalemgr on March 05, 2017, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: Bronx on March 05, 2017, 11:24:42 AM
Very, very interesting read. Everyone should read this article...!

In reading the article there just seemed to be a lot of stretch and speculation within it. Then at the end I saw this disclaimer:
"This is an opinion piece. The views expressed in this article are those of just the author. "

I would love to see Obama and part of his regime convicted of a crime, but I hope Trump and GOP don't get lured into a trap.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Hoofer on March 05, 2017, 01:28:08 PM
I suspect...

a.  The wiretap happened - it's who gave the order, and was enough cover or immunity given to them ... just in case.
b.  The "spy" information collected was disseminated, maybe prematurely, and resulted in Obama's last minute EO changes...
c.  the order attorneys after the AG was changed quietly, but Trump's guys caught it and switched it back, quietly.  (Obama forgot Trump was also a Democrat for awhile).
d.  Trump already HAS everything he needs to nail Obama & company - but perjury would be a nice "topper".
e.  Shumer might be up to his eye-balls too.  a little to concerned, like he knows more than he's letting on.

Just an suspicion/opinion, based on their own handbook, 'accuse them of what you're guilty of'.

Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2017, 01:32:29 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 05, 2017, 11:53:35 AM
In reading the article there just seemed to be a lot of stretch and speculation within it. Then at the end I saw this disclaimer:
"This is an opinion piece. The views expressed in this article are those of just the author. "

I would love to see Obama and part of his regime convicted of a crime, but I hope Trump and GOP don't get lured into a trap.
I think we've become too used to the GOP helping the Marxists out of these kinds of situations, but this time it's out of their control, it's not only unconstitutional, it's personal for Trump, he was the target.
I have a feeling trump had all his ducks in a row before tweeting he'd been targeted, he has the evidence enough to convict, so he let this out to see how the enemy reacts (think Sun Tzu)
The guilty ones will hit the media tomorrow, they're clamoring to be the first to get their story out like clapper did, they want it on record they weren't a part of this whole thing and are signaling to Trump, "I'll tell you whatever you want to know." (Clapper knows exactly what happened, and so does Trump).

The Marxist is in serious trouble.  Granted, all speculation, but we've seen this repeated over the years, only to have the GOP roar like a paper tiger and go back to sleep.
Trump ain't paper and him ain't a sleepin.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 05, 2017, 02:20:58 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 05, 2017, 07:53:21 AM
Something tells me they've already talked to Levin. :thumbup:


Somebody in the FBI or Justice Dept called Levin...there may be documents handed over which if true he is wise to keep secret for now.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2017, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 05, 2017, 02:20:58 PM

Somebody in the FBI or Justice Dept called Levin...there may be documents handed over which if true he is wise to keep secret for now.
It's even possible Trump sought Levin's counsel on the matter, and if so, told Levin feel free to comment on "these issues only".
I do believe this is bigger than anyone realizes with the exception of a few, including Trump.
The Marxist got caught and Trump will make him pay dearly for it.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2017, 04:06:51 PM
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2017, 07:49:50 AM
This article really brought me up to speed:

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/
I didn't see this till after I PM' you with the link. :thumbup:
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Thinker on March 05, 2017, 05:37:40 PM
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/ (http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/)

This year just gets better and better every day...thank you President Trump.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Hoofer on March 05, 2017, 05:56:44 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 05, 2017, 02:35:25 PM
It's even possible Trump sought Levin's counsel on the matter, and if so, told Levin feel free to comment on "these issues only".
I do believe this is bigger than anyone realizes with the exception of a few, including Trump.
The Marxist got caught and Trump will make him pay dearly for it.

:thumbup:

As I listened to that broadcast LIVE and then a second time - Levin was laying out a road-map, connecting the dots for us... and sounded like he was reminding the FBI or whoever, they MUST investigate thoroughly.

This could involve tens or hundreds of people - all ready to point the finger of blame back to someone in the Obama cabinet.   
Would you be surprised if James Comey doesn't bubble back up?
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2017, 06:51:43 PM
Quote from: Hoofer on March 05, 2017, 05:56:44 PM
:thumbup:

As I listened to that broadcast LIVE and then a second time - Levin was laying out a road-map, connecting the dots for us... and sounded like he was reminding the FBI or whoever, they MUST investigate thoroughly.

This could involve tens or hundreds of people - all ready to point the finger of blame back to someone in the Obama cabinet.   
Would you be surprised if James Comey doesn't bubble back up?
Yeah, it's clear Levin has inside information. And I agree, there are way too many people involved, or at the least, know and saw it happening as Hussein went court judge/court shopping.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: admin on March 05, 2017, 08:28:07 PM
Moved for Ms Independence.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=91fNfGjZdM0
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 05, 2017, 08:45:55 PM
How much you want to bet, absolutely NOTHING will happen to anyone connected to the Bammy administration.

Right now the FBI is asking the DOJ to reject the claim(s).  Which leads us back to Sessions ... did he not recuse himself from investigations into the Trump campaign?  So ... I think perhaps Sessions knew what's been going on.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/05/trump-wiretap-charge-flummoxes-law-enforcement-officials-as-fbi-head-reportedly-asks-doj-to-reject-claim.html


Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 05, 2017, 09:14:17 PM
This article is rather lengthy ... (tried to condense as much as possible)


Tapping Trump?


..."Though Trump asserted he had "just found out" about this surveillance, he appears to be referencing a series of reports that began with a piece by Louise Mensch in Heat Street back in November, which was later corroborated by articles published by The Guardian and the BBC in January.  The reports may have come to Trump's attention by way of a Breitbart story that ran on Friday, summarizing claims of a "Deep State" effort to undermine the Trump administration advanced by conservative talk radio host Mark Levin.

If it were true that President Obama had ordered the intelligence community to "tapp" Trump's phones for political reasons, that would of course be a serious scandal—and crime—of Nixonian proportions. Yet there's nothing in the published reports—vague though they are—to support such a dramatic allegation.  Let's try to sort out what we do know.

First, as one would hope Trump is aware, presidents are not supposed to personally order electronic surveillance of particular domestic targets, and the Obama camp has, unsurprisingly, issued a statement denying they did anything of the sort:

    Neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false.

Rather, the allegation made by various news sources is that, in connection with a multi-agency intelligence investigation of Russian interference with the presidential election, the FBI sought an order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court authorizing them to monitor transactions between two Russian banks and four persons connected with the Trump campaign.  The Guardian's report alleges that initial applications submitted over the summer, naming "four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials," were rejected by the FISC. But according to the BBC, a narrower order naming only the Russian banks as direct targets was ultimately approved by the FISC in October.  While the BBC report suggests that the surveillance was meant to ferret out "transfers of money," the Mensch article asserts that a "warrant was granted to look at the full content of emails and other related documents that may concern US persons."...

...None of this is really supported by the public record. First, the attribution of whatever monitoring occurred to the "Obama administration" insinuates a degree of involvement by the White House or its political appointees for which there is no evidence.   "Eavesdrop" implies surveillance of telephone conversations, which do not appear to have been the focus of the FISC order. (As is now well known, the intelligence community did intercept telephone conversations between former National Security Adviser Mike Flynn and the Russian ambassador—but as a result of routine collection on an acknowledged foreign agent, not surveillance targeting Flynn himself.)  Neither is there any evidence that authorization was sought to collect on "the Trump campaign" per se; rather, the BBC's report claims that the application ultimately rejected by the FISC focused on "four members of the Trump team."  Mensch's original report asserts that Trump was "named" in the initial application, but is vague as to whether that means he was a named target of electronic surveillance. ...

https://www.justsecurity.org/38347/tapping-trump
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: taxed on March 05, 2017, 11:32:23 PM
I don't buy that President Trump came up with this because he flipped through a Breitbart story he read on his phone while taking a number 2.  I'm giving him a little more credit that he understands the implications of throwing this out there and has the enough data stored up.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 06, 2017, 05:28:13 AM
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2017, 11:32:23 PM
I don't buy that President Trump came up with this because he flipped through a Breitbart story he read on his phone while taking a number 2.  I'm giving him a little more credit that he understands the implications of throwing this out there and has the enough data stored up.

I'm giving President Trump credit as well; the huge problem I see right now lies with Sessions. Sessions didn't simply recuse himself with investigating the campaign's involvement with Russia but with the campaign in general.  So the left was successful in excluding Sessions .. which then temporarily leaves Boente and a vote is supposed to be held tomorrow on Trump's pick of Deputy Attorney general  Rod Rosenstein to replace Boente.  Rosenstein is the U.S. attorney for Maryland and has been under both Bush AND Bammy!!  That is why Trump was so enraged over Session's recusal.  I believe Sessions knew ahead of time what was going on and I'm not so sure at this point what team Sessions is on.

Absolutely nothing will become of this and Trump will come out looking like a total buffoon.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 06, 2017, 05:41:54 AM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 06, 2017, 05:28:13 AM
I'm giving President Trump credit as well; the huge problem I see right now lies with Sessions. Sessions didn't simply recuse himself with investigating the campaign's involvement with Russia but with the campaign in general.  So the left was successful in excluding Sessions .. which then temporarily leaves Boente and a vote is supposed to be held tomorrow on Trump's pick of Deputy Attorney general  Rod Rosenstein to replace Boente.  Rosenstein is the U.S. attorney for Maryland and has been under both Bush AND Bammy!!  That is why Trump was so enraged over Session's recusal.  I believe Sessions knew ahead of time what was going on and I'm not so sure at this point what team Sessions is on.

Absolutely nothing will become of this and Trump will come out looking like a total buffoon.
I think you're reading waaaaay too much into this.
His recusal means nothing, stop listening to leftists pundits impressing their hopes and dreams into their airtime.
All the talkingheads in the country will never put Humpty Dumpty back together again, Trump has a piece of the Marxists shell as evidence.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 06, 2017, 06:01:33 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 06, 2017, 05:41:54 AM
I think you're reading waaaaay too much into this.
His recusal means nothing, stop listening to leftists pundits impressing their hopes and dreams into their airtime.
All the talkingheads in the country will never put Humpty Dumpty back together again, Trump has a piece of the Marxists shell as evidence.

Definitely not listening to the leftists pundits, just going by what I know. IMHO Sessions recusal means everything.  That is why Trump was so infuriated with his recusal. Sessions recused himself from investigation into the Trump campaign not just Russian meddling. The FBI has asked the temporary AG (Boente) to decide on a special prosecutor.  They are supposed to vote tomorrow on Trump's appointment of the Deputy AG who will then be responsible for the investigation; Rosenstein.  Rosenstein served under Bammy.

With Sessions out of the investigation and someone who worked under Bammy now in charge of the investigation who do you see things turning out?
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 06, 2017, 06:05:52 AM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 06, 2017, 06:01:33 AM
Definitely not listening to the leftists pundits, just going by what I know. IMHO Sessions recusal means everything.  That is why Trump was so infuriated with his recusal. Sessions recused himself from investigation into the Trump campaign not just Russian meddling. The FBI has asked the temporary AG (Boente) to decide on a special prosecutor.  They are supposed to vote tomorrow on Trump's appointment of the Deputy AG who will then be responsible for the investigation; Rosenstein.  Rosenstein served under Bammy.

With Sessions out of the investigation and someone who worked under Bammy now in charge of the investigation who do you see things turning out?
So what? What part of "Broke the Law" do you not understand?

WikiLeaks released the following list on February 23rd (see link here) of Obama Administration wire taps:

* The US National Security Agency bugged a private climate change strategy meeting; between UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin;
* Obama bugged Chief of Staff of UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for long term interception targetting his Swiss phone;
* Obama singled out the Director of the Rules Division of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), Johann Human, and targetted his Swiss phone for long term interception;
* Obama stole sensitive Italian diplomatic cables detailing how Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to help patch up his relationship with US President Barack Obama, who was refusing to talk to Netanyahu;
* Obama intercepted top EU and Japanese trade ministers discussing their secret strategy and red lines to stop the US "extort[ing]" them at the WTO Doha arounds (the talks subsequently collapsed);
* Obama explicitly targeted five other top EU economic officials for long term interception, including their French, Austrian and Belgium phone numbers;
* Obama explicitly targetted the phones of Italy's ambassador to NATO and other top Italian officials for long term interception; and
* Obama intercepted details of a critical private meeting between then French president Nicolas Sarkozy, Merkel and Berluscon, where the latter was told the Italian banking system was ready to "pop like a cork".

In addition to the above list we also know now that Obama wire tapped various individuals in the US media that were reporting information not flattering to the Obama Administration.  It is widely known that Obama's Justice Department targeted journalists with wiretaps in 2013:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/draft-heres-the-complete-list-of-victims-from-obamas-many-wiretaps/
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 06, 2017, 06:16:41 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 06, 2017, 06:05:52 AM
So what? What part of "Broke the Law" do you not understand?

WikiLeaks released the following list on February 23rd (see link here) of Obama Administration wire taps:

* The US National Security Agency bugged a private climate change strategy meeting; between UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin;
* Obama bugged Chief of Staff of UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for long term interception targetting his Swiss phone;
* Obama singled out the Director of the Rules Division of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), Johann Human, and targetted his Swiss phone for long term interception;
* Obama stole sensitive Italian diplomatic cables detailing how Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to help patch up his relationship with US President Barack Obama, who was refusing to talk to Netanyahu;
* Obama intercepted top EU and Japanese trade ministers discussing their secret strategy and red lines to stop the US "extort[ing]" them at the WTO Doha arounds (the talks subsequently collapsed);
* Obama explicitly targeted five other top EU economic officials for long term interception, including their French, Austrian and Belgium phone numbers;
* Obama explicitly targetted the phones of Italy's ambassador to NATO and other top Italian officials for long term interception; and
* Obama intercepted details of a critical private meeting between then French president Nicolas Sarkozy, Merkel and Berluscon, where the latter was told the Italian banking system was ready to "pop like a cork".

In addition to the above list we also know now that Obama wire tapped various individuals in the US media that were reporting information not flattering to the Obama Administration.  It is widely known that Obama's Justice Department targeted journalists with wiretaps in 2013:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/draft-heres-the-complete-list-of-victims-from-obamas-many-wiretaps/

I fully understand that the law was broken several times I get that.  However in order for prosecution to take place the situation will have to be investigated and a determination made to prosecute those involved.  The investigation is going to be done by the DOJ which the FBI has already asked them to deny the claim.  The acting current AG is going to be replaced tomorrow by the newly appointed Deputy AG who worked under Bammy.

If we look back at all the lawlessness that took place under the Bammy administration, both Holder and Lynch looked the other way. In fact in 2012 Holder appointed Rosenstein to investigate leaks of classified information that the White House was accused of and Bammy denied.

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/06/holder-names-2-prosecutors-to-probe-leaks-077228
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 06, 2017, 06:27:02 AM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 06, 2017, 06:16:41 AM
I fully understand that the law was broken several times I get that.  However in order for prosecution to take place the situation will have to be investigated and a determination made to prosecute those involved.  The investigation is going to be done by the DOJ which the FBI has already asked them to deny the claim.  The acting current AG is going to be replaced tomorrow by the newly appointed Deputy AG who worked under Bammy.

If we look back at all the lawlessness that took place under the Bammy administration, both Holder and Lynch looked the other way. In fact in 2012 Holder appointed Rosenstein to investigate leaks of classified information that the White House was accused of and Bammy denied.

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/06/holder-names-2-prosecutors-to-probe-leaks-077228
So you're basing the outcome of the GOP's historical incompetence and collusion with the enemy as a predictor of the future, is that what you're saying?
The only reason the GOP never pushed for investigations, is because they share a common goal with the Marxist party, but now they have new leadership, and he was the target.
You admit the law was broken, yet make serious leaps as to why nothing is going to happen. I just don't make the connections.
Trump was targeted, obviously, he has evidence or he'd never have said anything.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 06, 2017, 06:57:44 AM
Quote from: Hoofer on March 05, 2017, 05:56:44 PM
:thumbup:

As I listened to that broadcast LIVE and then a second time - Levin was laying out a road-map, connecting the dots for us... and sounded like he was reminding the FBI or whoever, they MUST investigate thoroughly.

This could involve tens or hundreds of people - all ready to point the finger of blame back to someone in the Obama cabinet.   
Would you be surprised if James Comey doesn't bubble back up?


Understand something, like with most Govt & Non Govt agencies there are two(or more) major factions within the Dept.

The FBI and the DOJ are no different, there are "Obama" people and there are "Trump" people, which is not to say they are blind Trump supporters but loyal to the Constitution, the ideals of justice, oath of office, etc etc. They will "out" the rotten apples.

My gut tells me they already have.....Trump was told about this, either covertly or openly....by someone with direct knowledge.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 06, 2017, 07:32:47 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 06, 2017, 06:27:02 AM
So you're basing the outcome of the GOP's historical incompetence and collusion with the enemy as a predictor of the future, is that what you're saying?
The only reason the GOP never pushed for investigations, is because they share a common goal with the Marxist party, but now they have new leadership, and he was the target.
You admit the law was broken, yet make serious leaps as to why nothing is going to happen. I just don't make the connections.
Trump was targeted, obviously, he has evidence or he'd never have said anything.

The connection is the DOJ ... the DOJ is the past was corrupt; Holder & Lynch.  Sessions is out of the picture on this and the newly appointed Deputy AG (who was also appointed by Holder to investigate Bammy) will be in charge of this investigation.

Perhaps you don't think that the new Deputy AG who is a carry over from Bammy is a concern, I do.  I don't see him prosecuting Bammy, or Lynch.

In the end Solar, I hope I am dead wrong on this and for once the left will be held accountable.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Thinker on March 06, 2017, 08:01:44 AM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 06, 2017, 07:32:47 AM
The connection is the DOJ ... the DOJ is the past was corrupt; Holder & Lynch.  Sessions is out of the picture on this and the newly appointed Deputy AG (who was also appointed by Holder to investigate Bammy) will be in charge of this investigation.

Perhaps you don't think that the new Deputy AG who is a carry over from Bammy is a concern, I do.  I don't see him prosecuting Bammy, or Lynch.

In the end Solar, I hope I am dead wrong on this and for once the left will be held accountable.

We all know how slimy politicians can be, although there seems to be more of the slimy ones on the left.  No doubt the excuses are being lined up and rehearsed as we speak...no wonder so little gets accomplished.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 06, 2017, 08:08:51 AM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 06, 2017, 07:32:47 AM
The connection is the DOJ ... the DOJ is the past was corrupt; Holder & Lynch.  Sessions is out of the picture on this and the newly appointed Deputy AG (who was also appointed by Holder to investigate Bammy) will be in charge of this investigation.

Perhaps you don't think that the new Deputy AG who is a carry over from Bammy is a concern, I do.  I don't see him prosecuting Bammy, or Lynch.

In the end Solar, I hope I am dead wrong on this and for once the left will be held accountable.
Did you not listen to your own video by Levin?

Quote from: admin on March 05, 2017, 08:28:07 PM
Moved for Ms Independence.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=91fNfGjZdM0

I get your historical pessimism, but Trump has proven he doesn't roll over for anything.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 06, 2017, 09:36:14 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 06, 2017, 08:08:51 AM
Did you not listen to your own video by Levin?

I get your historical pessimism, but Trump has proven he doesn't roll over for anything.

Ok Solar ... now you sound like my hubby on the pessimism ... I see myself as a realist.  :thumbsup:   I don't trust anyone from the Bammy administration. You are absolutely correct, Trump doesn't rollover, nor does he cut anyone slack.  It will definitely be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Peace.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 06, 2017, 09:58:47 AM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 06, 2017, 09:36:14 AM
Ok Solar ... now you sound like my hubby on the pessimism ... I see myself as a realist.  :thumbsup:   I don't trust anyone from the Bammy administration. You are absolutely correct, Trump doesn't rollover, nor does he cut anyone slack.  It will definitely be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Peace.
That's the thing, Trump is not the guy I expected him to be based on his Dim ties. As you well know, I despised the guy, but once elected I swore to give him a fair shot and support where deserved.
This is one of those times, the Marxist party had no issue abusing their power in using Fed entities like a weapon and with Impunity!
The GOP feigned anger was a nice ruse, but once they started letting these people off the hook, it was blatantly obvious they had made a deal with the Dims, 'You don't expose our involvement with attacking TEA, and we won't prosecute any Dims'.

But that was before the country elected an outsider in Trump. So far his track record has been impressive in following through on everything he said he was going to do, and with this new information coming out and his proof that he was a target as a US Citizen pursuing political office, makes it even more imperative that he follows through or the nation loses all faith in our political system, in that no self-respecting person would subject themselves to such invasions of privacy.

I expect to see a special Prosecutor appointed because obviously neither party can be trusted to follow the Constitution.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 06, 2017, 10:42:39 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 06, 2017, 09:58:47 AM
That's the thing, Trump is not the guy I expected him to be based on his Dim ties. As you well know, I despised the guy, but once elected I swore to give him a fair shot and support where deserved.
This is one of those times, the Marxist party had no issue abusing their power in using Fed entities like a weapon and with Impunity!
The GOP feigned anger was a nice ruse, but once they started letting these people off the hook, it was blatantly obvious they had made a deal with the Dims, 'You don't expose our involvement with attacking TEA, and we won't prosecute any Dims'.

But that was before the country elected an outsider in Trump. So far his track record has been impressive in following through on everything he said he was going to do, and with this new information coming out and his proof that he was a target as a US Citizen pursuing political office, makes it even more imperative that he follows through or the nation loses all faith in our political system, in that no self-respecting person would subject themselves to such invasions of privacy.

I expect to see a special Prosecutor appointed because obviously neither party can be trusted to follow the Constitution.

You and I are on the same page for the most part.  I too detested Trump. Once he defeated Hillary, I was willing to give him a clean slate with the utmost respect and yes his current track record has been impressive. Sure, I believe he was a target and in probability a special prosecutor will be assigned.  This is where I believe you and I have a difference of opinion.  Rosenstein (soon to be Trump's new Deputy AG) who worked as a special prosecutor under Eric Holder to investigate the White House and Bammy will in all likelihood assign the special prosecutor. IF Rosenstein assigns the  special prosecutor I don't see things going well ... this is based on his past affiliation with Holder and his association with Clinton, Bush and Bammy. I'm still scratching my head as to why President Trump would select him ... perhaps the news article that I read about Trump's appointment of him is incorrect.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 06, 2017, 12:31:40 PM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 06, 2017, 10:42:39 AM
You and I are on the same page for the most part.  I too detested Trump. Once he defeated Hillary, I was willing to give him a clean slate with the utmost respect and yes his current track record has been impressive. Sure, I believe he was a target and in probability a special prosecutor will be assigned.  This is where I believe you and I have a difference of opinion.  Rosenstein (soon to be Trump's new Deputy AG) who worked as a special prosecutor under Eric Holder to investigate the White House and Bammy will in all likelihood assign the special prosecutor. IF Rosenstein assigns the  special prosecutor I don't see things going well ... this is based on his past affiliation with Holder and his association with Clinton, Bush and Bammy. I'm still scratching my head as to why President Trump would select him ... perhaps the news article that I read about Trump's appointment of him is incorrect.
He may suggest from a list of names of which Trump will likely make the final decision, assuming Sessions is out, or even possibly replaced by none other than christy.
But all of this is speculation, because Trump can delay this indefinitely, keeping it in the news and played when needed.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: redbeard on March 06, 2017, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 06, 2017, 09:58:47 AM
That's the thing, Trump is not the guy I expected him to be based on his Dim ties. As you well know, I despised the guy, but once elected I swore to give him a fair shot and support where deserved.
This is one of those times, the Marxist party had no issue abusing their power in using Fed entities like a weapon and with Impunity!
The GOP feigned anger was a nice ruse, but once they started letting these people off the hook, it was blatantly obvious they had made a deal with the Dims, 'You don't expose our involvement with attacking TEA, and we won't prosecute any Dims'.

But that was before the country elected an outsider in Trump. So far his track record has been impressive in following through on everything he said he was going to do, and with this new information coming out and his proof that he was a target as a US Citizen pursuing political office, makes it even more imperative that he follows through or the nation loses all faith in our political system, in that no self-respecting person would subject themselves to such invasions of privacy.

I expect to see a special Prosecutor appointed because obviously neither party can be trusted to follow the Constitution.
Isn't this putting the cart before the horse? What crimes have been committed to require a special prosecutor? Has the FBI requested prosecutor assistance from the DOJ? So far from what I've seen it is fake news, a false premise being driven by the left! Why in the world would the DOJ, FBI, congress or the executive under Trump cave to these cry babies and their lies?
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: taxed on March 06, 2017, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: redbeard on March 06, 2017, 04:12:46 PM
Isn't this putting the cart before the horse? What crimes have been committed to require a special prosecutor? Has the FBI requested prosecutor assistance from the DOJ? So far from what I've seen it is fake news, a false premise being driven by the left! Why in the world would the DOJ, FBI, congress or the executive under Trump cave to these cry babies and their lies?

Like Sessions?
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 06, 2017, 04:21:11 PM
Quote from: redbeard on March 06, 2017, 04:12:46 PM
Isn't this putting the cart before the horse? What crimes have been committed to require a special prosecutor? Has the FBI requested prosecutor assistance from the DOJ? So far from what I've seen it is fake news, a false premise being driven by the left! Why in the world would the DOJ, FBI, congress or the executive under Trump cave to these cry babies and their lies?
Try working on that cognitive process of yours. Now read this thread again, and see if you can glean the actual points being put forward.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Possum on March 06, 2017, 04:40:22 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 06, 2017, 05:41:54 AM
I think you're reading waaaaay too much into this.
His recusal means nothing, stop listening to leftists pundits impressing their hopes and dreams into their airtime.
All the talkingheads in the country will never put Humpty Dumpty back together again, Trump has a piece of the Marxists shell as evidence.
This may be a really dumb question, but here goes,  I thought Sessions only recused himself from the investigation on his self  and not from other job duties? In other words, is he free to investigate obama?
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 06, 2017, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: s3779m on March 06, 2017, 04:40:22 PM
This may be a really dumb question, but here goes,  I thought Sessions only recused himself from the investigation on his self  and not from other job duties? In other words, is he free to investigate obama?


He is free to launch any investigation for which THERE IS PROBABLE CAUSE....if he is wise he will appoint a special (read Indie) prosecutor
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 06, 2017, 07:33:15 PM
Quote from: s3779m on March 06, 2017, 04:40:22 PM
This may be a really dumb question, but here goes,  I thought Sessions only recused himself from the investigation on his self  and not from other job duties? In other words, is he free to investigate obama?
No, excellent question, which is why I was saying move on and appoint a special prosecutor.
I read so much bull shit on the web, yet not a soul has broached the topic, instead everyone but Levin is responding to the leftist media's game of tag.
Maybe tomorrow or the next day, Trump will drop a bomb on these assholes. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 07, 2017, 04:28:09 PM
Quote from: taxed on March 06, 2017, 04:19:47 PM
Like Sessions?

Exactly.  I see Sessions as already caving and I'm not so sure anymore that he's on team Trump.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: taxed on March 08, 2017, 12:35:48 AM
Hussein's regime told to take down Trump.

https://twitter.com/Pamela_Moore13/status/839267852070838273
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Bronx on March 08, 2017, 08:25:12 AM
Quote from: taxed on March 08, 2017, 12:35:48 AM
Hussein's regime told to take down Trump.

https://twitter.com/Pamela_Moore13/status/839267852070838273

I glad I didn't throw away my "LOCK HER UP" lawn sign. Cross out her and replace it with him.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 08, 2017, 08:27:21 AM
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Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 08, 2017, 12:55:30 PM
Quote from: taxed on March 08, 2017, 12:35:48 AM
Hussein's regime told to take down Trump.

https://twitter.com/Pamela_Moore13/status/839267852070838273


Obamao's people are scared, they are going to be like little mice peeping out of the rat hole, knowing the head rat can;t protect them against the big fat cat sitting in the oval office. Its going to be amusing to watch this game of musical chairs, who is gonna roll over first on not be the last one standing with out immunity when the music runs out
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: MichaelJ on March 09, 2017, 05:09:36 AM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 08, 2017, 12:55:30 PM

Obamao's people are scared, they are going to be like little mice peeping out of the rat hole, knowing the head rat can;t protect them against the big fat cat sitting in the oval office. Its going to be amusing to watch this game of musical chairs, who is gonna roll over first on not be the last one standing with out immunity when the music runs out

Dems don't roll over, we heard this about Hillary's people all last year and nobody rolled on her either.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: quiller on March 09, 2017, 05:25:11 AM
Quote from: MichaelJ on March 09, 2017, 05:09:36 AM
Dems don't roll over, we heard this about Hillary's people all last year and nobody rolled on her either.

The 115th Congress is still young, and the 100-day honeymoon for Trump is far from over. To say Dems don't roll over is SOMEWHAT true, in that they share the Mob's tendencies to just serve their time with their mouths shut. (Cellblock Code of Conduct, y'all.) But this is a whole different level of governmental malfeasance. Absolutely 1,000%-airtight cases must be built and triply integrated for maximum prosecutorial effect.

Then we deal with the lower courts Obama salted on his way out our national door.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 09, 2017, 05:31:35 AM
Quote from: MichaelJ on March 09, 2017, 05:09:36 AM
Dems don't roll over, we heard this about Hillary's people all last year and nobody rolled on her either.
Now that the Dim's are completely out of power, they just might, assuming Conservatives can muster enough power to follow the law.
If we can, there will be a lot of Dims singing like birds to CYA out of trouble.
Sadly, in the past, the GOP ran block for the Marxists.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 09, 2017, 05:59:47 AM
Quote from: MichaelJ on March 09, 2017, 05:09:36 AM
Dems don't roll over, we heard this about Hillary's people all last year and nobody rolled on her either.


Correction...they haven't rolled over YET....that's because nobody has the cojones to hammer one of them with big time jail.

Elsewhere you have posts comparing them to Mafia 'soldiers' with their code of Omerta, all the blood oaths and 1000 years of Sicilian honor went out the window when the Feds started to hand out life sentences and they couldn't roll over fast enough.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: quiller on March 09, 2017, 06:15:05 AM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 09, 2017, 05:59:47 AM

Correction...they haven't rolled over YET....that's because nobody has the cojones to hammer one of them with big time jail.

Elsewhere you have posts comparing them to Mafia 'soldiers' with their code of Omerta, all the blood oaths and 1000 years of Sicilian honor went out the window when the Feds started to hand out life sentences and they couldn't roll over fast enough.

Noted.   :lol:   

Can you concede that the Trump crowd still needs time for the legal assaults on those same prospective turncoats? And that the True Believers™ --- the hardcore crazies --- just MIGHT fall on their swords like some Toshiro Mifune film?

Clintonistas and Obamatards who are actually WORTH taking down may individually hold that level of loyalty. Huma Abedin hasn't been seriously impacted by the Carlos Danger incidents (and evidently is lying low somewhere), and Jarrett being holed up at the Castle of Doom precludes easy subpoena access.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: taxed on March 10, 2017, 12:51:41 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij0ShwRx5bc

Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 10, 2017, 05:35:14 AM
Quote from: taxed on March 10, 2017, 12:51:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij0ShwRx5bc
Here ya go Billy. This explains it.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 10, 2017, 06:03:26 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 10, 2017, 05:35:14 AM
Here ya go Billy. This explains it.

No argument from me, pretty much sums up my suspicions, long ago I raised the likelyhoodThe DNC "hack" was an inside job or non existant and some disgruntled DNC staffer downloaded the stuff and pinned it on "The Russians" as a false flag

I'm starting to think that who ever "tapped" Trump might NOT have been the FBI, The NSA or even the CIA, it might have been some private individuals hired by either Obamao or the DNC, some of these  "Retired" types these guys are talking about who went over to "the dark side"
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 10, 2017, 06:17:29 AM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 10, 2017, 06:03:26 AM
No argument from me, pretty much sums up my suspicions, long ago I raised the likelyhoodThe DNC "hack" was an inside job or non existant and some disgruntled DNC staffer downloaded the stuff and pinned it on "The Russians" as a false flag

I'm starting to think that who ever "tapped" Trump might NOT have been the FBI, The NSA or even the CIA, it might have been some private individuals hired by either Obamao or the DNC, some of these  "Retired" types these guys are talking about who went over to "the dark side"
I've heard that theory floated as well, that they simply contracted out to another country with ties to the CIA to get the info via the govt server within the trump tower.
Assange warned us, the stuff yet to be released will be nearly impossible to wrap our minds around, so nothing surprises me coming from the Marxist democrats and their attempts to seize power over the US.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: topside on March 14, 2017, 10:33:38 AM
Fox Insider Headline from Judge Napolitano:

QuoteJudge Nap: Obama 'Went Outside Chain of Command,' Used British Spy Agency to Surveil Trump

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/14/judge-napolitano-why-there-may-never-be-proof-even-if-obama-spied-trump (http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/14/judge-napolitano-why-there-may-never-be-proof-even-if-obama-spied-trump)

Quote"Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command," Napolitano said. "He didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA, he didn't use the FBI, and he didn't use the Department of Justice."

Instead, Napolitano said, Obama used GCHQ, a British intelligence and security organization that has 24-7 access to the NSA database.

"There's no American fingerprints on this," Napolitano said. "What happened to the guy who ordered this? Resigned three days after Donald Trump was inaugurated."

Not sure we'll ever see actual proof. Such a shame. Seems like one of the three "intelligence" sources needs to tell how he knows of the information to add at least a little credibility.

Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 14, 2017, 11:01:45 AM
Quote from: topside on March 14, 2017, 10:33:38 AM
Fox Insider Headline from Judge Napolitano:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/14/judge-napolitano-why-there-may-never-be-proof-even-if-obama-spied-trump (http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/14/judge-napolitano-why-there-may-never-be-proof-even-if-obama-spied-trump)

Not sure we'll ever see actual proof. Such a shame. Seems like one of the three "intelligence" sources needs to tell how he knows of the information to add at least a little credibility.
Napolitano explains what happened, also say's when whistleblowers come forward.
I have to say,  if I knew the truth about what happened and knowing what I know now about the Marxist Dim party.
I'd be hesitant in coming forward, who do you tell, who can guarantee your safety?

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/07/judge-andrew-napolitano-barack-obama-wiretapping-donald-trump
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: topside on March 22, 2017, 01:15:37 PM
I just saw this and thought it relevant to this thread:

QuoteTrump team communications captured by intelligence community surveillance, Nunes says

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/22/trump-team-communications-captured-by-intelligence-community-surveillance-nunes-says.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/22/trump-team-communications-captured-by-intelligence-community-surveillance-nunes-says.html)

It's best to watch the video - didn't know how to link it from the context, so you can go to the link.

To summarize, Devin Nunes is the chair of the House Intelligence Committee. He says that information from the Trump Campaign was collected by the intelligence community distributed. He finds no evidence of a formal "tap", but the collection done by the intelligence community is of concern. There was information about Trump and his campaign that was unmasked. The surveillance was not related to Russia or the Trump team.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: topside on March 22, 2017, 01:32:07 PM
... a follow up to the last post.

CBS: Reported the Nunes information but emphasized that there was no tap by Obama.
NBC: Was very objective. I was surprised. I guess that's what happens when the facts show up.
CNN: Small letters to the side - marginalized the story. The went back to Comey's testimony of no wire tap. They also couldn't keep themselves from saying:

QuoteAt that hearing, Comey confirmed for the first time that his agency is investigating possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign and whether any crimes may have been committed during last year's election campaign as part of a wider probe into the hacking of Democratic servers and the Clinton campaign.

but, by far, my favorite line from the piece was:

QuoteDemocrats on the committee appeared blindsided by Nunes' announcement.

Oh - so everyone is supposed to check in with the Dims before they report anything? I guess so they can help spin it.

Here's to more blind-siding - may they wander about deaf and mute as they make up their fake news. Banish them from the WH, from the Internet, I say. CNN is the epitome of broken journalism - the represent fake news. They should bring on the SNL cast and late-show hosts to give their stories more credibility.

None of these outlets would admit they were culpable in the fake news. But I've yet to see a conservative outlet do that either. Someone should go first. Hi. I am CNN and I am a alcoholic fake news reporter.

Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Solar on March 22, 2017, 01:42:19 PM
Quote from: topside on March 22, 2017, 01:15:37 PM
I just saw this and thought it relevant to this thread:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/22/trump-team-communications-captured-by-intelligence-community-surveillance-nunes-says.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/22/trump-team-communications-captured-by-intelligence-community-surveillance-nunes-says.html)

It's best to watch the video - didn't know how to link it from the context, so you can go to the link.

To summarize, Devin Nunes is the chair of the House Intelligence Committee. He says that information from the Trump Campaign was collected by the intelligence community distributed. He finds no evidence of a formal "tap", but the collection done by the intelligence community is of concern. There was information about Trump and his campaign that was unmasked. The surveillance was not related to Russia or the Trump team.
Good Find! Here's the complete video and the opening 3 minutes covers the breaking news, the rest is press questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAkBekQYypA
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 22, 2017, 02:31:30 PM
I knew there was proof....now we have it.

The important thing is Comey has been proven to be a liar....now Trump has grounds to fire him.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: ldub23 on March 22, 2017, 03:15:21 PM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 22, 2017, 02:31:30 PM
I knew there was proof....now we have it.

The important thing is Comey has been proven to be a liar....now Trump has grounds to fire him.

Not a big surprise and  i have  no doubt more is to come  on this story. Either Comey  is a pig liar or he is  simply in the bag  for  Obama.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: topside on March 22, 2017, 05:51:45 PM
Here's another expected outcome. The Dims are in denial.

QuoteHouse Intelligence Committee member Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) accused the chairman of that committee of acting like a surrogate for the Trump administration instead of fulfilling his duty as the head of an independent entity. He made the comments to the press Wednesday.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/22/top-dem-on-intel-committee-accuses-chairman-nunes-of-improperly-siding-with-trump/ (http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/22/top-dem-on-intel-committee-accuses-chairman-nunes-of-improperly-siding-with-trump/)

I hope Trump rams this up their ... nose. It's not enough to show that the Dims violated his privacy and the privacy of his family by not redacting the incidental information. That there was monitoring on the Trump camgaign. Now this Dim-whit wants to continue with an investigation with someone else independent and keep spending our money on this.

I say that Mr. Schiff should pay for an independent investigation because I don't want to pay for it. Put up or shut up you piece of Schiff. Maybe he should pay to go count the election votes again too. Schiff is a poster child for term limits.
Title: Re: Marxist Wiretap Thread
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 23, 2017, 09:58:04 AM
Quote from: topside on March 22, 2017, 05:51:45 PM
Here's another expected outcome. The Dims are in denial.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/22/top-dem-on-intel-committee-accuses-chairman-nunes-of-improperly-siding-with-trump/ (http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/22/top-dem-on-intel-committee-accuses-chairman-nunes-of-improperly-siding-with-trump/)

I hope Trump rams this up their ... nose. It's not enough to show that the Dims violated his privacy and the privacy of his family by not redacting the incidental information. That there was monitoring on the Trump camgaign. Now this Dim-whit wants to continue with an investigation with someone else independent and keep spending our money on this.

I say that Mr. Schiff should pay for an independent investigation because I don't want to pay for it. Put up or shut up you piece of Schiff. Maybe he should pay to go count the election votes again too. Schiff is a poster child for term limits.



Continueing the investigation is only going to reveal more Dem wrong doing and people who need to be fired or prosecuted. I say continue on this will help to drain the swamp.

NEVER INTERRUPT the ENEMY WHEN HE IS MAKING A MISTAKE.